U41 Instant damage Proc sets (Tarnished)

Lapin_Logic · March 19

I get a ringing in my ears that sounds like "we will never allow Tremorscale, Viper, Caluurions Proc damage sets to replace core combat" every time I have a Nightblade heavy attack, Tarnished Nightmare, Anthelmir (double poison, heamorhaging etc, etc).

I feel like the combat team need to sit down and review the mistakes of the last 20 updates because it seems like they are lost in the weeds and "new" ideas are actually just old ideas from a few patches ago, except now everyone has 35k health and is still a Ganker.

ItsNotLiving · March 19

I love the sound of a beer bottle being broken over my characters head while attempting to play solo it’s so funny. (It’s not funny.)

xylena_lazarow · March 19

Nerf the sound effect, no other set is that loud. The proc is fine in a 35k+ hp meta.

ItsNotLiving · March 19

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

Nerf the sound effect, no other set is that loud. The proc is fine in a 35k+ hp meta.

It is obnoxiously loud reminds me when werewolf was better and you’d hear like 6 howls a second and a volume a million times louder than everything else in the game.

React · March 19

Set is overtuned. It's super fun when somebody poison injects you and you have that set proc 3 times over its duration alongside 3 instances of sundered, 2-3 instances of poisoned, and multiple procs of whatever other set they're wearing, like sheer venom/hunters venom etc.

They need to go over all these proc sets they've added and give them the plaguebreak treatment. You should only be able to proc any damaging proc once per cast of an ability.

There is no reason a 20s dot should proc a 5k+ direct damage proc and a 5k-10k dot damage proc multiple times over the duration of a single cast.

Lapin_Logic · March 19

React wrote: »

They need to go over all these proc sets they've added and give them the plaguebreak treatment. You should only be able to proc any damaging proc once per cast of an ability.

There is no reason a 20s dot should proc a 5k+ direct damage proc and a 5k-10k dot damage proc multiple times over the duration of a single cast.

100% agree, also we have slipped from "you won't need to remake your build every patch" back into "new DLC, new must have META"

Cast_El · March 19

I opened a thread about sounds but nobody cares

DrNukenstein · March 19

Nah, Tarnished+Construct is the best. Don't nerf it. It's been a long time since this play style has been supported and we all know there is more annoying stuff out there.

And proccing tarnished off dots is a huge waste of a filthy proc. It's an 8 second Cd.

Like really if we have problems with proc ganking in 2024 after patches of worse, what play styles are acceptable?

React · March 19

DrNukenstein wrote: »

Nah, Tarnished+Construct is the best. Don't nerf it. It's been a long time since this play style has been supported and we all know there is more annoying stuff out there.

And proccing tarnished off dots is a huge waste of a filthy proc. It's an 8 second Cd.

Like really if we have problems with proc ganking in 2024 after patches of worse, what play styles are acceptable?

I personally think sets that deal damage for you are bad game design, always have. Same with sets that heal you, or conditional procs that fire without any input from you to save you from mistakes (cleansing revival, maras, earthgore).

That said, in the current meta, I don't have that much of an issue with burst damage procs as long as they're not too oppressive.

But it is extremely problematic that 20s long dots are proccing individual proc sets 2-3 times each over their duration. For example, one single poison injection can proc tarnished at 0s, 8s, and 16s, can also proc sheer venom at 0s, 6s, 12s, and 18s, and will apply multiple status effects over that same duration. That is wayyy too much "fire and forget" "free" damage on a single cast of one ability.

They should just change the majority of procs to only be able to proc once from any given cast of an ability, apart from any that explicitly need to ignore that rule (such as azureblight).

Necrotech_Master · March 19

React wrote: »

DrNukenstein wrote: »

Nah, Tarnished+Construct is the best. Don't nerf it. It's been a long time since this play style has been supported and we all know there is more annoying stuff out there.

And proccing tarnished off dots is a huge waste of a filthy proc. It's an 8 second Cd.

Like really if we have problems with proc ganking in 2024 after patches of worse, what play styles are acceptable?

I personally think sets that deal damage for you are bad game design, always have. Same with sets that heal you, or conditional procs that fire without any input from you to save you from mistakes (cleansing revival, maras, earthgore).

That said, in the current meta, I don't have that much of an issue with burst damage procs as long as they're not too oppressive.

But it is extremely problematic that 20s long dots are proccing individual proc sets 2-3 times each over their duration. For example, one single poison injection can proc tarnished at 0s, 8s, and 16s, can also proc sheer venom at 0s, 6s, 12s, and 18s, and will apply multiple status effects over that same duration. That is wayyy too much "fire and forget" "free" damage on a single cast of one ability.

They should just change the majority of procs to only be able to proc once from any given cast of an ability, apart from any that explicitly need to ignore that rule (such as azureblight).

the way poison injection and sheer venom interacts has been like that forever, i used to use that combo like 4 years ago and it still functioned the same (it even worked like that back when sheer venom using to have a global proc cooldown instead of a per target cooldown, i used to use it back then too lol)

DrNukenstein · March 19

React wrote: »

I personally think sets that deal damage for you are bad game design, always have. Same with sets that heal you, or conditional procs that fire without any input from you to save you from mistakes (cleansing revival, maras, earthgore).

That said, in the current meta, I don't have that much of an issue with burst damage procs as long as they're not too oppressive.

But it is extremely problematic that 20s long dots are proccing individual proc sets 2-3 times each over their duration. For example, one single poison injection can proc tarnished at 0s, 8s, and 16s, can also proc sheer venom at 0s, 6s, 12s, and 18s, and will apply multiple status effects over that same duration. That is wayyy too much "fire and forget" "free" damage on a single cast of one ability.

They should just change the majority of procs to only be able to proc once from any given cast of an ability, apart from any that explicitly need to ignore that rule (such as azureblight).

With tarnished I really think it's a waste to proc it off dots. It is not a dot builds proc. You want it to kick off your combo so you get that sundered up front.

But 100% agreed on the low CD ones, and dot procs. Those should not be proliferating off of dots because it's griefy and lazy, but the mechanic does come with a drawback if there isn't a per target cooldown on the proc. If you are dotting multiple people up you don't have control over who the procs trigger on. If you aren't dotting multiple people up on a dot build, you're not playing a dot build well.

IncultaWolf · March 22

New pay to win set that for whatever reason ignores the proc burst cooldown. Probably to get nightblades to farm this set, buy the new dlc, then nerf it later on. Remember they did this with thunder caller years ago.

WuffyCerulei · March 22

Ooooh the NB triple proc set thing back? Been a LOOOOOOOONG time since that happened. The ole Viper+Selene’s+that CoS set before they were nerfed/altered in some way.

silky_soft · March 22

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

Ooooh the NB triple proc set thing back? Been a LOOOOOOOONG time since that happened. The ole Viper+Selene’s+that CoS set before they were nerfed/altered in some way.

Original viper and selene with incap haha. Good times. Back when procs were an absolute no skill joke.

Oh wait...

xylena_lazarow · March 23

silky_soft wrote: »

Back when procs were an absolute no skill joke. Oh wait...

If you're dying to a proc with a 7k tooltip in a 35k+ hp meta, please do not talk about "skill," thanks.

DrNukenstein · March 23

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

If you're dying to a proc with a 7k tooltip in a 35k+ hp meta, please do not talk about "skill," thanks.

Everyone's just mad that one shot builds are back and more stat dense than ever before, when this is how it should've been the whole time.

What about those boosted status effects and spammable healy shields?

xylena_lazarow · March 23

DrNukenstein wrote: »

Everyone's just mad that one shot builds are back and more stat dense than ever before, when this is how it should've been the whole time. What about those boosted status effects and spammable healy shields?

Tarnished hasn't even been scary. The only gank that scares me right now is low hp vamp Incap combo with Titanborn + True Sworn, and that one runs pure stats, zero procs. It also dies in literally 1 hit. I haven't noticed any difference playing with or against status effects. I'm sure you've read the other threads here on the broken spammable healy shields.

DrNukenstein · March 25

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

Tarnished hasn't even been scary. The only gank that scares me right now is low hp vamp Incap combo with Titanborn + True Sworn, and that one runs pure stats, zero procs. It also dies in literally 1 hit. I haven't noticed any difference playing with or against status effects. I'm sure you've read the other threads here on the broken spammable healy shields.

Yeah, I the number 1 proc enjoyer of the world am stepping down my evaluation of tarnished. It's a good proc, but there's better ways to make use of your build space.

Also like I hear the glass bottle break when it procs off of a lazy bow dot, but like my health doesn't move from it. If it was that OP it would be carrying more builds by now, but honestly most bow blades (and other players huffing this copium) that picked it up are less of a problem this patch than last patch. Even the legendary cheater, Sunberry Barkmocha, is noticeably worse at game with it.

sharquez · March 25

All I have to say is that the sound is mildly annoying and I have been surprised by it on my squishier builds but if I build glass cannon I expect to die anyway. The devs gonna do what they gonna do at this point all we can do is point out gamebreaking bugs and pray they get fixed. Enjoy the few months of bottle breaking and surprise random damage.

Necrotech_Master · March 25

after experiencing getting hit by it some over the weekend, this actual proc is pretty low dmg, even on my NB with lower resists it was only hitting me for about 2500 dmg

the biggest thing is that its aoe, and applies sundered which is minor breach + the dmg buff for the attacker

katorga · March 25

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

silky_soft wrote: »

Back when procs were an absolute no skill joke. Oh wait...

If you're dying to a proc with a 7k tooltip in a 35k+ hp meta, please do not talk about "skill," thanks.

Well, it is actually heavy attack, 2-3 procs, enchant, plus a skill, with one sure critical hit, and the others around 60%, and +/- 110% crit damage. There have been studies. 60% of the time; it works every time.

Esoteric greaves are your friend.

silky_soft · March 26

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

silky_soft wrote: »

Back when procs were an absolute no skill joke. Oh wait...

If you're dying to a proc with a 7k tooltip in a 35k+ hp meta, please do not talk about "skill," thanks.

You just salty there is no procs for zone chat.

Edit: forums did some crazy quoting. Got rid of it.

silky_soft · March 26

Who cares about its damage. The sound of tarnished is annoying. Sound is pitched too high.

Miracle19 · March 27

DrNukenstein wrote: »

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

Tarnished hasn't even been scary. The only gank that scares me right now is low hp vamp Incap combo with Titanborn + True Sworn, and that one runs pure stats, zero procs. It also dies in literally 1 hit. I haven't noticed any difference playing with or against status effects. I'm sure you've read the other threads here on the broken spammable healy shields.

Yeah, I the number 1 proc enjoyer of the world am stepping down my evaluation of tarnished. It's a good proc, but there's better ways to make use of your build space.

Also like I hear the glass bottle break when it procs off of a lazy bow dot, but like my health doesn't move from it. If it was that OP it would be carrying more builds by now, but honestly most bow blades (and other players huffing this copium) that picked it up are less of a problem this patch than last patch. Even the legendary cheater, Sunberry Barkmocha, is noticeably worse at game with it.

praise sunmode

Kikazaru · March 27

Why is this set dealing this much damage? I got deleted by this set from full health. No way this is intentional.

Sigh. I shouldn't have come back to PvP lol.

Turtle_Bot · March 28

Kikazaru wrote: »

Why is this set dealing this much damage? I got deleted by this set from full health. No way this is intentional.

Sigh. I shouldn't have come back to PvP lol.

Try 53k+ from a single instance of damage from this set when I was sitting off at the edge of the group that got bombed (like I was right on the very edge of this sets range and still took 53k damage with defensive buffs and hardened ward active).

The set is bugged like crazy and a lot of NBs are exploiting this bugged set to the absolute max currently.

kenjiasai · March 28

It's bugged, check and interact with the thread in bug section to help us get it fixed ASAP. Already submitted a ticket about this.

HowlKimchi · March 28

I wanna farm it for PVE

Kikazaru wrote: »

Why is this set dealing this much damage? I got deleted by this set from full health. No way this is intentional.

Sigh. I shouldn't have come back to PvP lol.

I'm fairly certain that the high damage is because it's a proc that deals aoe damage, and it's proccing on multiple targets using one AOE skill causing a shotgun effect. Definitely not intended because that's basically a bomb every 8 seconds.

Turtle_Bot · March 28

HowlKimchi wrote: »

I wanna farm it for PVE

Kikazaru wrote: »

Why is this set dealing this much damage? I got deleted by this set from full health. No way this is intentional.

Sigh. I shouldn't have come back to PvP lol.

I'm fairly certain that the high damage is because it's a proc that deals aoe damage, and it's proccing on multiple targets using one AOE skill causing a shotgun effect. Definitely not intended because that's basically a bomb every 8 seconds.

Not even a full bomb deals as much damage as that set does (not even a double bomb from 2 players timed perfectly matches how much damage this set does from pressing 1 button), it's definitely an exploit with how the set works that was not intended by the devs.

The closest I've seen to this set was the old full power (pre-nerf) plaguebreak set but that required stacking 20+ enemies on top of each other (as well as on top of an NPC) and multiple attacks to start the chain reaction (not to mentioned it didn't ignore block and other mitigation like this set seems to either).

kenjiasai · March 28

HowlKimchi wrote: »

I wanna farm it for PVE

Kikazaru wrote: »

Why is this set dealing this much damage? I got deleted by this set from full health. No way this is intentional.

Sigh. I shouldn't have come back to PvP lol.

I'm fairly certain that the high damage is because it's a proc that deals aoe damage, and it's proccing on multiple targets using one AOE skill causing a shotgun effect. Definitely not intended because that's basically a bomb every 8 seconds.

It's a pure bug from being triggered by proxy, check bug section of the forum to help us get this fixed ASAP as it's being abused in PvP.

xylena_lazarow · March 28

Here's the other thread showing a video with a bugged 29k Tarnished proc. Same EP players involved.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Kevin this is a major bug that needs to be fixed before the exploit spreads, please help!