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[Arcanist] Tentacular Dread should build Crux, not consume them

DuskShard
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In order to make the magicka version of the Arcanist a bit more different than its stamina counterpart, the skill Tentacular Dread should build crux. Magicka Arcanists either rely on the stam version of the skill (with a limited stam pool) or are forced to use Runeblades, which isn't a comparable option DPS-wise and the skill has no group utility. The magicka Arcanist currently struggles with Crux building and this simple change would help a lot. Thank you.

  • Uvi_AUT
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    I much rather have all Spammables from all Skill-Lines build Crux instead of reducing available Builds even further.
    As it is now Magicka and Stamina-Arcanist play exactly the same without the possibility to even mix in Weaponskills.
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  • KS_Amt38
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    Why are all tentacles spammables only stam? That cripples any kind of Magicka Arcanist Gameplay. Just make it like most skills that it the cost is determined by your higher ressource.
  • Daoin
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    none of that is true i have no problem at with magicka arcanist building crux or the use of runblades or reaching some quite good dps levels without having to weave
    Edited by Daoin on February 26, 2024 4:36PM
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  • Daoin
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    just becasue you are a magicka based simply does not mean you cannot use any stamina skills very effectively too. that being said i always imagines the one morph of runeblades early gameplay which could use a touch up if its not for that and then the other morph once character is developed enough
    Edited by Daoin on February 26, 2024 4:51PM
  • Marto
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    Uvi_AUT wrote: »
    I much rather have all Spammables from all Skill-Lines build Crux instead of reducing available Builds even further.
    As it is now Magicka and Stamina-Arcanist play exactly the same without the possibility to even mix in Weaponskills.

    Except Tentacular Dread is not a spammable. Cephaliarch's Flail is.

    Tentacular Dread is meant as a debuff you cast every handful of seconds. That's what makes it unique and interesting, and turning it into "Cephaliarch's Flail but a different color" would be a waste.

    That's one of the best things about Arcanistl. Skills can be spammable or not, be a core part of your rotation or not, and be casted often or not depending on your build, morph choice, and gameplay style.

    The whole point of hybridization is to get rid all the correct/incorrect morph choices. You shouldn't feel forced to pick the stamina morph because you're a "magicka build", or vice versa.
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  • CameraBeardThePirate
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    Marto wrote: »
    Uvi_AUT wrote: »
    I much rather have all Spammables from all Skill-Lines build Crux instead of reducing available Builds even further.
    As it is now Magicka and Stamina-Arcanist play exactly the same without the possibility to even mix in Weaponskills.

    Except Tentacular Dread is not a spammable. Cephaliarch's Flail is.

    Tentacular Dread is meant as a debuff you cast every handful of seconds. That's what makes it unique and interesting, and turning it into "Cephaliarch's Flail but a different color" would be a waste.

    That's one of the best things about Arcanistl. Skills can be spammable or not, be a core part of your rotation or not, and be casted often or not depending on your build, morph choice, and gameplay style.

    The whole point of hybridization is to get rid all the correct/incorrect morph choices. You shouldn't feel forced to pick the stamina morph because you're a "magicka build", or vice versa.

    Except Tentacular is just... bad. It's meant to be a burst tool but it's outclassed by Fatecarver, and using them together isn't really an option because of the crux system. It needs love. A ~20% boost in its 3x Crux damage would help solidify it as a burst tool. There's pretty much no reason to ever slot Tentacular.
  • Toanis
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    Fatecarver is fine in a boss fight with a tank. Against trash generating crux with runeblades already does most of the job. In solo content Fatecarver is easily interrupted, and in PVP easily outmaneuvered. This is where Tentacular comes in.
  • katanagirl1
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    Marto wrote: »
    Uvi_AUT wrote: »
    I much rather have all Spammables from all Skill-Lines build Crux instead of reducing available Builds even further.
    As it is now Magicka and Stamina-Arcanist play exactly the same without the possibility to even mix in Weaponskills.

    Except Tentacular Dread is not a spammable. Cephaliarch's Flail is.

    Tentacular Dread is meant as a debuff you cast every handful of seconds. That's what makes it unique and interesting, and turning it into "Cephaliarch's Flail but a different color" would be a waste.

    That's one of the best things about Arcanistl. Skills can be spammable or not, be a core part of your rotation or not, and be casted often or not depending on your build, morph choice, and gameplay style.

    The whole point of hybridization is to get rid all the correct/incorrect morph choices. You shouldn't feel forced to pick the stamina morph because you're a "magicka build", or vice versa.

    Except Tentacular is just... bad. It's meant to be a burst tool but it's outclassed by Fatecarver, and using them together isn't really an option because of the crux system. It needs love. A ~20% boost in its 3x Crux damage would help solidify it as a burst tool. There's pretty much no reason to ever slot Tentacular.

    I partially agree. With arcanist you pretty much have to take both stam and magicka skills regardless of what resource pool is larger. The fact that some skills use the max resource and some the min resource makes it easier to run a hybrid. I just question why the stam build is easier to use and has better sustain than magicka, in my experience. The two morphs of flail just seem like a flagrant disregard for class balance in my opinion.
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  • Daoin
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    Toanis wrote: »
    Fatecarver is fine in a boss fight with a tank. Against trash generating crux with runeblades already does most of the job. In solo content Fatecarver is easily interrupted, and in PVP easily outmaneuvered. This is where Tentacular comes in.

    to be honest im not aware of many mobs that can hold thier own against a fully cruxed up fatecarver
  • tsaescishoeshiner
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    Instead, I think that Tentacular Dread should be improved as a crux spender. Currently, Fatecarver is the only DPS crux spender, and it would be nice for build diversity to have a second option.

    Maybe it could:
    • at 3 crux, causes a tentacle/rune to spawn under the target that gives you a buff or deals damage
    • at 3 crux, creates an AoE DoT under the target. Hitting a target already in your AoE deals bonus damage.
    • buff your direct damage
    • apply status effects base on how many crux you spend
    • briefly give you a buff like Major Berserk/Cowardice/Force depending on your crux spent
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  • Daoin
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    without taking every player in eso into consideration when making the next changes to the arcanist by the eso team i would agree improvements away from fatecarver now are a good idea actually. i mean im not expecting anything to be as clumbsy to use than my warden at the moment or anytime soon even though i still enjoy warden i'll probably still enjoy arcanist too no matter what
    Edited by Daoin on February 26, 2024 8:39PM
  • Uvi_AUT
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    Marto wrote: »
    Uvi_AUT wrote: »
    I much rather have all Spammables from all Skill-Lines build Crux instead of reducing available Builds even further.
    As it is now Magicka and Stamina-Arcanist play exactly the same without the possibility to even mix in Weaponskills.

    Except Tentacular Dread is not a spammable. Cephaliarch's Flail is.
    I said instead. If you change Dread to a builder you would again end up with the same skill-setup, making the char even more boring skillselectionwise than it already is. There needs to be OTHER Builders. Any other class can choose their spammables, only Arcanist cant.

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