Agreed, it's the mentality I have from my WoW days in my case, if the rotation is not somewhat complex, I get bored quickly, but yeah, from a design perspective Arcanist is a success, but it has little depth, and I've always spoken against weaving, it needs to go so, kinda agree.Arcanist: Easy-to-play, no weaving, and reasonable damage output. Makes me focus more on the game itself than on the skills/combat, which is basically what I want from all classes. All old classes should be reworked to be easy-to-play in my opinion.
The arcanist made the game much more fun for me, though some players may be calling it more boring because they want 'challenge'.
I also liked the old Flurry more, the new one feels.. anemic.The only time I seriously considered getting another class was when they changed the Flurry animation. That was such a loss. It was my absolutely favourite thing about Nightblade. What's the point in Nightblade when you don't get to stab things? Just slice them, like some kinda pervert. Blergh. I stopped using the spell completely.
Arcanist: Easy-to-play, no weaving, and reasonable damage output. Makes me focus more on the game itself than on the skills/combat, which is basically what I want from all classes. All old classes should be reworked to be easy-to-play in my opinion.
The arcanist made the game much more fun for me, though some players may be calling it more boring because they want 'challenge'.
Sorry but 'no weaving' is hyperbole, 'less reliant' is more like it. You still generate ultimate by auto attacking, so if you want to achieve max dps - you still need to weave.UGotBenched91 wrote: »No weaving?! You mean I could actually play the game without being forced to glitch and look silly?
Dragonnord wrote: »OP, since casuals are voting Arcanist, you can already replace "Fun" for "Easy" in the thread title.
Not for everyone. I don't want every class for example to get the Arcanist treatment (despite me thinking that the class was a success) there should be options in the kit for casual and hardcore folk alike, but alas, ESO is not that kind of game and it seems Runescribing won't make much of a difference for classes, but we'll see. If I want to play an Arcanist with a complex rotation, I should, that could reignite my love for the class.easy is fun
Dragonnord wrote: »OP, since casuals are voting Arcanist, you can already replace "Fun" for "Easy" in the thread title.
easy is fun
Dragonnord wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »OP, since casuals are voting Arcanist, you can already replace "Fun" for "Easy" in the thread title.
easy is fun
Easy is boring.
Dragonnord wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »OP, since casuals are voting Arcanist, you can already replace "Fun" for "Easy" in the thread title.
easy is fun
Easy is boring.
well not to everyone
Dragonnord wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »OP, since casuals are voting Arcanist, you can already replace "Fun" for "Easy" in the thread title.
easy is fun
Easy is boring.
well not to everyone
Same goes for your claims, that "easy is fun" of course.
Dragonnord wrote: »OP, since casuals are voting Arcanist, you can already replace "Fun" for "Easy" in the thread title.
easy is fun
Jarl_Ironheart wrote: »I'm a dragonknight through and through. Always enjoyed its playstyle, it's aesthetic(except for the green poison) and the feel of it. Nice smooth rotation and always been in a good place for me. Plus dragons!
Now I see Arcanist is #1 but I feel like it should be not included. It's the latest dlc class, it's gonna be powerful and more streamlined than other classes because they are 10 years old so it skews the results. I see alot of people saying Arcanist is the easiest class to play and that's why they like it, which is is fine honestly. However we do not need the other classes to be easier to play. This game is way too easy and none of thr classes are super complicated plus some people enjoying more complex rotations so please don't advocate for dumbing down other classes. I don't wanna force you to play like me, don't force me to play like you.
Pixiepumpkin wrote: »Jarl_Ironheart wrote: »I'm a dragonknight through and through. Always enjoyed its playstyle, it's aesthetic(except for the green poison) and the feel of it. Nice smooth rotation and always been in a good place for me. Plus dragons!
Now I see Arcanist is #1 but I feel like it should be not included. It's the latest dlc class, it's gonna be powerful and more streamlined than other classes because they are 10 years old so it skews the results. I see alot of people saying Arcanist is the easiest class to play and that's why they like it, which is is fine honestly. However we do not need the other classes to be easier to play. This game is way too easy and none of thr classes are super complicated plus some people enjoying more complex rotations so please don't advocate for dumbing down other classes. I don't wanna force you to play like me, don't force me to play like you.
Its less about easy to play, and more about easy to understand.
ESO classes and combat is massively too complex for the average player to pick up. Things that seem like they should make sense often do not, and things that seem like they make no sense often end up being meta builds. But its the average player who pays the bills, not the hardcore. Catering to the average player is the smartest business decision.
Regarding future classes, all of them should be easy to undertand, and frankly change the old classes and make the easier to understand.
The "Skill" ceiling in ESO should be lowered and the floor raised. There is too much dissparity right now between new players and veteran players. In the PVP setting, this means new players getting oblitered non stop, which drives them away from the game. In the PVE setting its players not being able to get into trials from peer pressure.
At the end of the day though, no one is forcing you to play their way but not suggesting that more classes be accessible to the player base at large, is.
You ended your first post with this lineJarl_Ironheart wrote: »Pixiepumpkin wrote: »Jarl_Ironheart wrote: »I'm a dragonknight through and through. Always enjoyed its playstyle, it's aesthetic(except for the green poison) and the feel of it. Nice smooth rotation and always been in a good place for me. Plus dragons!
Now I see Arcanist is #1 but I feel like it should be not included. It's the latest dlc class, it's gonna be powerful and more streamlined than other classes because they are 10 years old so it skews the results. I see alot of people saying Arcanist is the easiest class to play and that's why they like it, which is is fine honestly. However we do not need the other classes to be easier to play. This game is way too easy and none of thr classes are super complicated plus some people enjoying more complex rotations so please don't advocate for dumbing down other classes. I don't wanna force you to play like me, don't force me to play like you.
Its less about easy to play, and more about easy to understand.
ESO classes and combat is massively too complex for the average player to pick up. Things that seem like they should make sense often do not, and things that seem like they make no sense often end up being meta builds. But its the average player who pays the bills, not the hardcore. Catering to the average player is the smartest business decision.
Regarding future classes, all of them should be easy to undertand, and frankly change the old classes and make the easier to understand.
The "Skill" ceiling in ESO should be lowered and the floor raised. There is too much dissparity right now between new players and veteran players. In the PVP setting, this means new players getting oblitered non stop, which drives them away from the game. In the PVE setting its players not being able to get into trials from peer pressure.
At the end of the day though, no one is forcing you to play their way but not suggesting that more classes be accessible to the player base at large, is.
You say no one is forcing me to play different but you just said you want older classes changed and new classes to be like arcanist. Which one is it?
Prior to that you saidJarl_Ironheart wrote: »" I don't wanna force you to play like me, don't force me to play like you."
Which sounds to me like you do not want to see any more "easy" classes implemented, essentially we should all play your way, at least that is how it reads to me. Its also in opposition in how you want us to treat you, correct?Jarl_Ironheart wrote: »" However we do not need the other classes to be easier to play. This game is way too easy and none of thr classes are super complicated plus some people enjoying more complex rotations so please don't advocate for dumbing down other classes. "
It took me 3 seconds to find this.Jarl_Ironheart wrote: »Also I seriously have never seen anyone ever say that ESO is a confusing and complicated game in regards to classes and combat.
My wife has played since beta, even has the beta monkey. She is as "veteran" as it gets. She loves the arcanist and how it plays, she has always had a hard time building her character in game, in fact she just had her FIRST trial the other night EVER because she was always intimidated with builds, rotations and being "yelled at" when she tried vet dungeons for not holding her own.Jarl_Ironheart wrote: »This game has some of rhe most brain dead combat I've ever played. The only time you need to play seriously or things ger challenging is certain vet hardcore dungeons or trials. Most casuals or new players I see have no issue with thr game at all save for the ones who dont block or stand in the red death circles. I personally take issue with the advocating for more stuff for casual players and not the vets like myself that have been here for a long time, we have supported this game through and through and played it through all its fault. I personally can't stand making games for casuals, it's okay to have complicated games. Not everything always has to be easy to pick up.
Jarl_Ironheart wrote: »PS. There should be a big difference between a player who takes time to understand their class or who has played it alot and casual players who play this game very rarely. If I practice then I should be better in pvp or dungeons than those who don't try that hard. I'm not gonna say "git gud" or anything but put in some effort to making yourself a better player instead of asking for a easier game.