Enable all Overland Zones for PVP and disable the PVE parts please

Syldras

RetPing wrote: »

Outrage for a little joke?

How is it funny to make a completely unrealistic suggestion? All I see is someone trying to deliberately garner negative reactions. Note that there are enough people who actually give a serious reply.

AvalonRanger

MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »

The concept of pve feels really outdated in the game in 2024. While pvp has only one map, there is so many pve instances which are rarely populated and used...

Short answer is "this is the most stupid suggestion from OP". No thanks.

OK then, long answer.

First of all, ESO still can't establish decent modern environment based game design.
Most of it is based on "ancient" meta character build game design. So currently, we can't play
both PVE and PVP on the same game design basis. ZOS build PVE and PVP just like the
totally different game title. This is the first reason which I can't accept those type of suggestion.

Secondly, ESO is "Elder Scrolls"+ Online. Major player of this game is traditional Elder Scrolls fan people.
If ZOS do like you said, then it's the end of ESO. Publisher lose major money payment customer.
It's totally nonsense as business.

But 10% agree with you also. ESO combat design is too much outdated.

MISTFORMBZZZ

Please be nice to each other and respect others opinions.

I start thinking someone with many fake accounts writes trolling commemts here to sabortage my suggestion.

Four_Fingers

Love it! lol

Jarl_Ironheart

Obviously this is a frost troll post. Not even clever or funny.

MISTFORMBZZZ

Jarl_Ironheart wrote: »

Obviously this is a frost troll post. Not even clever or funny.

not everything is trolling which isnt the same opinion as yours

sharquez

So pvers can make the same thread about pve cyrodill or ic week after week? but PVPers cant ask for more areas to play? For shame.

Syldras

Jarl_Ironheart wrote: »

Obviously this is a frost troll post. Not even clever or funny.

When I see trolls in a forum or in the comments section of a news website, I'm always very much reminded of a real-life phenomenon that's called "class clowning" where I live (not sure if there's an English word for it). Every elementary school teacher will know that one kid in class that makes weird noises, deliberately stupid comments or asks completely absurd questions just to disrupt the lessons. It's well-known among teachers that these kids usually have a not-so-happy family background and are starving for attention. Also, they often lack skills to get attention in a positive way, by doing something that is actually interesting or impressive. All in all, it's more sad than anything else. Of course I don't know if it's 100% the same with forum trolls (Why "trolls", btw? Why not "clowns" as in the real-life context mentioned above?), but the behavior somehow looks very similar to me.

sharquez wrote: »

So pvers can make the same thread about pve cyrodill or ic week after week? but PVPers cant ask for more areas to play? For shame.

I know these threads and in none of them I've seen PvErs demanding PvP content to be removed. They ask for a separate PvE instance of Cyrodiil or for a way to mark themselves as non-PvP, so they can do Cyrodiil quests without the PvP aspect, without bothering anyone and without being bothered. No one of them wants to remove PvP.

MISTFORMBZZZ

Syldras wrote: »

Jarl_Ironheart wrote: »

Obviously this is a frost troll post. Not even clever or funny.

When I see trolls in a forum or in the comments section of a news website, I'm always very much reminded of a real-life phenomenon that's called "class clowning" where I live (not sure if there's an English word for it). Every elementary school teacher will know that one kid in class that makes weird noises, deliberately stupid comments or asks completely absurd questions just to disrupt the lessons. It's well-known among teachers that these kids usually have a not-so-happy family background and are starving for attention. Also, they often lack skills to get attention in a positive way, by doing something that is actually interesting or impressive. All in all, it's more sad than anything else. Of course I don't know if it's 100% the same with forum trolls (Why "trolls", btw? Why not "clowns" as in the real-life context mentioned above?), but the behavior somehow looks very similar to me.

sharquez wrote: »

So pvers can make the same thread about pve cyrodill or ic week after week? but PVPers cant ask for more areas to play? For shame.

I know these threads and in none of them I've seen PvErs demanding PvP content to be removed. They ask for a separate PvE instance of Cyrodiil or for a way to mark themselves as non-PvP, so they can do Cyrodiil quests without the PvP aspect, without bothering anyone and without being bothered. No one of them wants to remove PvP.

i mean i agree, if only half of these areas would be turned into pvp area it would be good to begin with. But since pve content is really outdated and all the same, till Q4 it should be really removed and made pvp, as you said.

MISTFORMBZZZ

Syldras wrote: »

Jarl_Ironheart wrote: »

Obviously this is a frost troll post. Not even clever or funny.

When I see trolls in a forum or in the comments section of a news website, I'm always very much reminded of a real-life phenomenon that's called "class clowning" where I live (not sure if there's an English word for it). Every elementary school teacher will know that one kid in class that makes weird noises, deliberately stupid comments or asks completely absurd questions just to disrupt the lessons. It's well-known among teachers that these kids usually have a not-so-happy family background and are starving for attention. Also, they often lack skills to get attention in a positive way, by doing something that is actually interesting or impressive. All in all, it's more sad than anything else. Of course I don't know if it's 100% the same with forum trolls (Why "trolls", btw? Why not "clowns" as in the real-life context mentioned above?), but the behavior somehow looks very similar to me.

sharquez wrote: »

So pvers can make the same thread about pve cyrodill or ic week after week? but PVPers cant ask for more areas to play? For shame.

I know these threads and in none of them I've seen PvErs demanding PvP content to be removed. They ask for a separate PvE instance of Cyrodiil or for a way to mark themselves as non-PvP, so they can do Cyrodiil quests without the PvP aspect, without bothering anyone and without being bothered. No one of them wants to remove PvP.

Also please dont insult me personally over a valid opinion and request. Other opinions and wishes as yours exist and have a right to be heared.
Thanks

RetPing

Syldras wrote: »

I know these threads and in none of them I've seen PvErs demanding PvP content to be removed. They ask for a separate PvE instance of Cyrodiil or for a way to mark themselves as non-PvP, so they can do Cyrodiil quests without the PvP aspect, without bothering anyone and without being bothered. No one of them wants to remove PvP.

That thing would die in a week because the PvE content in Cyrodiil is beyond boring.
And several people explained several times that doing quest in Cyro is very easy for everyone, 98% of the time no one will bother you.
But continue closing your eyes and ears and demanding PvE Cyro.
I find this more trolling than OP message.

Syldras

RetPing wrote: »

That thing would die in a week because the PvE content in Cyrodiil is beyond boring.
And several people explained several times that doing quest in Cyro is very easy for everyone, 98% of the time no one will bother you.
But continue closing your eyes and ears and demanding PvE Cyro.
I find this more trolling than OP message.

Interesting assumptions you make there, as I have never posted such a thread. But I have read a few, and I see a big difference in wishing to have an extra feature that doesn't bother any other player, and demanding something that a lot of people enjoy to be taken away. I have nothing against extra PvP content, in fact I have written several times after the latest reveal that I'm happy that PvPers finally get something new.

freespirit

While I do think the OP's suggestion is a bit excessive...

Does anyone remember the original full proposal of the Justice System?

It was decided not to implement it because it was thought there would be unnecessary griefing but if I recall correctly they were considering allowing people with a bounty on their head(from stealing) to be hunted by other players.

I cannot remember all of the idea but something like above might be worth revisiting, after all stealing already has consequences!

AnduinTryggva

ROFL.

Too bad for all new players who won't be able to do the quests and get the skill points and special items that sometimes you need to analyse a certain trait...

and who needs farming of ressources. You can buy it in guild stores... oh wait!

cyclonus11

Now they COULD'VE done something like EQ with their Priests of Discord. In EQ, each new character came with a Tome of Discord. You take this tome to the Priest of Discord and turn it in to him, and now your character is PVP.

Maybe have something where you speak to an "enlistment officer" or some such and do a little quest, and presto! Your character is now flagged for PVP in all zones. You're KOS to guards in opposing faction cities, and can be attacked anywhere by other PVP-flagged characters in opposing factions.

Syldras

MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »

Also please dont insult me personally over a valid opinion and request. Other opinions and wishes as yours exist and have a right to be heared.
Thanks

Then please explain why you think PvE has to be removed although many other people enjoy it the way it is.

Grizzbeorn

MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »

Also please dont insult me personally over a valid opinion and request.

Except your suggestion is not valid because your premise is faulty.
You claim nobody plays PvE anymore which is so false it's almost funny.

Tandor

freespirit wrote: »

While I do think the OP's suggestion is a bit excessive...

Does anyone remember the original full proposal of the Justice System?

It was decided not to implement it because it was thought there would be unnecessary griefing but if I recall correctly they were considering allowing people with a bounty on their head(from stealing) to be hunted by other players.

I cannot remember all of the idea but something like above might be worth revisiting, after all stealing already has consequences!

It was because they couldn't see a way of making it fun but not exploitable. They made it clear that PvP and PvE must operate in separate areas in future, details below under General Status Updates.

https://bethesda.net/en/article/2Wf71RtAhikiKaOIUqGUEK/the-elder-scrolls-online-the-year-ahead

RetPing

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »

Also please dont insult me personally over a valid opinion and request.

Except your suggestion is not valid because your premise is faulty.
You claim nobody plays PvE anymore which is so false it's almost funny.

Would call you PvE when you can one shot everything while going around naked?
I don't see any Versus in that, so op is technically correct.

freespirit

Tandor wrote: »

freespirit wrote: »

While I do think the OP's suggestion is a bit excessive...

Does anyone remember the original full proposal of the Justice System?

It was decided not to implement it because it was thought there would be unnecessary griefing but if I recall correctly they were considering allowing people with a bounty on their head(from stealing) to be hunted by other players.

I cannot remember all of the idea but something like above might be worth revisiting, after all stealing already has consequences!

It was because they couldn't see a way of making it fun but not exploitable. They made it clear that PvP and PvE must operate in separate areas in future, details below under General Status Updates.

https://bethesda.net/en/article/2Wf71RtAhikiKaOIUqGUEK/the-elder-scrolls-online-the-year-ahead

Back then though there was a much larger PVP population, these days there might be less issues.

I do get involved with "criminal" activities and frequently play "dodge the guards", I would not be opposed to playing "dodge the Bounty Hunter" infact way back when, I was disappointed it never came to fruition. 🙂

Soarora

I have seen PvPers complaining that PvE is boring and easy so I guess I can believe this is a real suggestion but it does read as a reference to PvE Cyrodiil.

KiltMaster

Excellent post. We have to read all the time about 'no one plays PVP - just make Cyrodiil and IC PVE zones'

Love seeing the shoe on the other foot

Also - appears the point was made! Many very angry folks in the comments. Hope these folks understand how they feel and apply that the next time you are upset that there are 2 zones in ESO that you can get killed in by another player.

CGPsaint

Why is this thread still open?

RetPing

CGPsaint wrote: »

Why is this thread still open?

I don't remembere having seen thread asking for making Cyro PvE closed, why this one should?

Alinhbo_Tyaka

1/10 because the OP took the time to type it all out.

The proposal sounds a lot like WoW where hardly anyone flags for PvP on purpose.

CGPsaint

RetPing wrote: »

CGPsaint wrote: »

Why is this thread still open?

I don't remembere having seen thread asking for making Cyro PvE closed, why this one should?

Both conversation are ridiculous. There is absolutely ZERO chance that ZOS would ever make all of the non-PvP zones suddenly PvP, and vice versa.

Tandor

RetPing wrote: »

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »

Also please dont insult me personally over a valid opinion and request.

Except your suggestion is not valid because your premise is faulty.
You claim nobody plays PvE anymore which is so false it's almost funny.

Would call you PvE when you can one shot everything while going around naked?
I don't see any Versus in that, so op is technically correct.

What individual players can do is highly subjective and varies enormously, and anything that doesn't involve player versus player combat represents PvE. I doubt that at any one moment there are more than 10% of the active (i.e. logged in) players engaged in PvP activities with a good percentage of them in Battlegrounds. If we want to kick the other 90% of the players out of the game (including those PvPers who also enjoy PvE) then the OP's suggestion would be a great way of doing it. Fortunately, whether it was serious or not, there is a precisely 0% chance of it ever being adopted.

Ph1p

Soarora wrote: »

I have seen PvPers complaining that PvE is boring and easy so I guess I can believe this is a real suggestion but it does read as a reference to PvE Cyrodiil.

OP deserves props to be the first to post such a thread ahead of a PVP event, then…

LunaFlora

RetPing wrote: »

CGPsaint wrote: »

Why is this thread still open?

I don't remembere having seen thread asking for making Cyro PvE closed, why this one should?

those threads usually only want a pvp toggle or a separate campaign
which would be completely optional!

this post wants to make all pve zones pvp completely.
it'll never happen, probably both but at least a separate campaign for pve cyrodiil and imperial city should be possible.

Palumtra

Let me check um....No.

Forcing PvP will do no good at all, it only leads to griefing and ganking. The flag up system that so many other games use is working and could be an option here as well, but completely "forced"? Nope. That would be the quickes uninstall.