Tamriel Trade Centre is out of date and seems to be broken

Fingolfinn01 · January 30

Tamriel Trade Centre is out of date. The last update was in August 2023.

Also After I scan it doesn't post it straight away. Theirs a delay of quite some time.

vsrs_au · January 30

August isn't that long ago. As for the 2nd issue, you should post about it on the addon's web page, and the addon's author may help you with that.

Fingolfinn01 · January 30

It explains why TTC may no longer be supported

Please post any web site related issues here instead of using the addon section

To answer your question of why I have decided to force ads:

Feels like I need to explain the situation here a bit. So I started TTC 7 years ago, built an addon + website for everyone to use for FREE. I have quit the game for more than 4 years already but I am still maintaining the site using lots of my free time.

The business model is simple. People uses the addon to collect data and the website's ad revenue will keep the whole project going. From day 1 I already knew people are using ad blockers and the percentage is not low. But I wanted to believe in people, I wanted to believe people will help the project they really love so I did not force ads for the past 7 years.

I have tried like 5 different banners to explain the situation and the need for Ad revenue to keep the project alive. But 7 years past and the result was pretty disappointing. Percentage of ad block users went up significantly and the number of people who donated was less than 0.02% of the entire user base.

The donation I have collected over the course of the past 7 years was just barely able to pay for 2 years of the server's cost. If everyone was using adblocker it will mean that I would have paid 5 figures out of my own pocket in additional to all the free time I have spend to maintain and develop this project.

Based on the growth rate of adblock users I will probably have to shutdown the entire project in about 2 years from now. So there are only 2 options before me if I do not want that to happen

1. Force ads on everyone and allow people to sub for ad free content
2. I start selling the data by offering premium(paid) customers access to real time API when a cheap item is made available.

I do not like the level of P2W #2 brings even though it will probably yield me much higher revenue compared to #1

It was a hard decision but something has to be done. Prior to turning the anti-ad block wall on I further reduced the ad load (slider is dragged to about 20% mark) and made the change so that you will never see more than 2 ads on your screen (1 for smaller screen) and there are at most 3 ads per page (2 for small screen). Full page ads are set to about <1% chance of appearing. Regular users shouldn't see the full screen ad more than once per day.

So please. I am not asking for too much. Having some ads on your screen is not the end of world but no ads will be the end of TTC.

I think the days of TTC are numbered. Is their currently a premium service??

This is why we need to support our modders, Its sad because if TTC in no longer supported, that will put a huge dent in the game.

DreamyLu · January 30

@Fingolfinn01, thank you for all the hard work you put into that addon that is for me the out of the main ones we need in this game. For info, I had understood your message and I let the adds go.

Aside of the problem of the grey zone regarding responsibility in case of bigger technical troubles with addons, this situation is the other important reason why I always repeat - again and again - that my priority wish for the game is to have the main addons integrated as part of the game under ZOS responsibility.

Creators/Owners of addons do it upon good will but it does cost time and money. They eventually can't support it anymore (family, work, school, ...) and it's probably not easy to find a deputy/new owner.

Personally, without addons, I wouldn't play ESO. To see that TTC could stop makes me worry. I can myself not do anything to help. I do hope someone else will.

Fingolfinn01 · January 30

DreamyLu wrote: »

@Fingolfinn01, thank you for all the hard work you put into that addon that is for me the out of the main ones we need in this game. For info, I had understood your message and I let the adds go.

I am not the author of this addon.

cyxui is the addOn Author

This is posted of the forums at the addon site

https://www.esoui.com/forums/showthread.php?p=45994#post45994

I thought i would post it here, to get more coverage.

DreamyLu · January 30

my bad, sorry, you can pass over my thank you

Kite42 · January 30

I shall disable my adblocker henceforth.

Danikat · January 30

TTC appears to be working for me, both for finding items to buy and getting recommended prices to sell. The prices it recommends have been changing, and newer items like the Bristleback Hunters outfit pages from the Guilds & Glory event are included.

Addons getting marked as 'outdated' is kind of misleading IMO. Every addon has to record which game version number it's for and if that doesn't exactly match the game's current version number after the latest patch it gets marked as out of date, but that's the only criteria. It's relatively rare for updates to affect the API or otherwise stop addons working so a lot will still be working perfectly when marked as out of date.

Some authors will do 'updates' to change the version number - literally just changing 34.2 to 34.3 in the addons files - but I assume that's either because it bothers them to see it shown as out of date or it's marketing (as well as reassuring users updating an addon bumps it up the list in ESOUI).

If you want to you can change it yourself, you just need to open the file with Notepad, find the version number and change 1 digit. It doesn't do anything, so you can't break it, the worst that will happen is it will still say 'out of date'.

Pepegrillos · January 30

Didn't Alcast and Woeler release some sort of copycat that didn't rely on people turning their adblockers off?

Mithgil · January 30

It's working fine for me, and it's always needed a bit of time after a scan. Not hours, but several minutes. At least in my experience.

ZOS_Icy · January 30

Greetings,

This thread has been moved to the Add-Ons & UI Mods section, as it is better suited there.

Thank you for your understanding.

Baertram · January 30

Pepegrillos wrote: »

Didn't Alcast and Woeler release some sort of copycat that didn't rely on people turning their adblockers off?

Yes you can always switch to other websites and enable your addblockers...
But you can be pretty sure that it's about the same like TTC; maybe tehy just got a bigger fanbase or support so they can pay their servers by donations or other advertisements -> e.g. Allcast videos polluting each website with auto play etc.

The adblocker at TTC website got nothing to do with the data or the addon btw.
It's about respect to the devs and financing the servers for the addon's data so you all can benefit from it! The author described it properly at teh website, the addon site, and at several forums.

You can either decide to let a great addon die by using add blockers while using the TTC website OR you can decided to use it and then pay for it, or at least disable add blockers and support the people that do the work for you
-> They/we pay real money for servers and databases so help them/us keep it alive for us all. Or let it be in total and do not use the addon and the website anymore!

btw: The addon uses the very same data as the website, only downloaded by the client.exe and compressed to lua format for the ESO game being able to use it. So if you think you do not use the website and do not care: Your ingame data relies on the same website database and if the website and database die, the addon dies!

Show some respect guys, we do that all in our free time and on our own costs.
Your decision. If you use it -> Turn add blockers off. Click 1 add per session away, that's all. Not so hard and at least provides some cents to the web hoster so TTC stays alive longer.

Or switch to other ressources and wait for them to ask for the same one day... We/they all got the costs and you use it for free, so please do that 1 click extra and all is good...

Necrotech_Master · January 30

while i am sympathetic to server costs to maintain this stuff, i will absolutely never disable my adblocker under any circumstances

personally i dont really use TTC at all anyway since i dont like relying on listings, but i have used it occasionally to look up if there is an item i am looking for that is for sale

Nocturne Saint · March 11

so have they stopped updating completely? should i just uninstall the addon, or wait and see if its updated?
any alternatives if this addon got discontinued?

Baertram · March 11

Today is patch day, maybe wait at least 1 week

The addon and ALL other guild sales history addons need time as Zs chanegd the total guild history, so expect these addons ALL to be troubling for at least 2-3 weeks.

I'd recommand to disable the addons as they might not work properly (even ZOs need sto fix many itemlinks that are wrong and thus your items do not match your saved data anymore and you got no price for them at all! That#s not TTC, MM, ATT or any addon's fault, but ZOs afaik).

So all, please calm down, wait and it will get fixed one day.
Enjoy the game that time without addons, update your guild history manually and check Minion or www.esoui.com for updates of TTC, MM, LibHistoire (som were alreay updated today) -> read the changelog to understand what currently is not working and read the documentation and howTos of these addons to understand how it works "now" and what you can and cannot do anymore (ZOs restrictions! not addons).

freespirit · March 11

There has been an update for TTC this evening(a couple of hours ago).

I did the update via Minion, then ran the Client, which in turn threw up a little pop-up saying it needed to be updated, so I did that too.

It all seems to function as expected now. 🙂

Baertram · March 12

The update disabled the Guild History querying (which was using old API functions and threw errors) in total for the moment, until the author moves this to the new ZOs added local guild history cache API.

So some functions are just disabled for now.
But: There also exist bugs in ZOs cache functions where returned itemLink of items are wrong and thus you could get simply 0 price info as the items are correct, but the links are wrong, and thus no stored prices for those wrong links can be found.

As long as you aware of such occurences you are good. If you see "Not enough data" or "No price available" then this might be the case, depending on how TTC works and where it get's the items prices from (usually that does not come from guild history but direct inventory items etc, which ar enot broken in their links).

But definately getting history of sold items is not working so prices may not update properly in the next days/weeks due to that!

Tommy_The_Gun · March 12

Fingolfinn01 wrote: »

Percentage of ad block users went up

Tbh. That is most likely the fault of Google as they wanted a little bit too much to ban adblocks on YouTube... and here is the result. People just swapped to better & harder to detect adblocks lol. It is fight one cannot win. It is like fighting windmills.

Baertram · March 12

Another update of TTC was released now

Chufu · March 13

Mh and how do these ads collect data of users visiting the TTC website?

Sad to see TTC go, but if it's too much in costs vs. revenue then it's probably better to shut it down. Just personally I'm not a big fan of ads in general on websites, so I'd rather not use these websites. Just my personal opinion.

Baertram · March 13

Ask/Read Google FAQ how they add adds, and what they add, and how users are affected or what they collect.

Basically it's all about cookies/oher tracking technics and google setup of preferences and settings if you got a google account e.g.
If you want to see specialized adds or default for all, and so on.

Danikat · March 13

Chufu wrote: »

Mh and how do these ads collect data of users visiting the TTC website?

Sad to see TTC go, but if it's too much in costs vs. revenue then it's probably better to shut it down. Just personally I'm not a big fan of ads in general on websites, so I'd rather not use these websites. Just my personal opinion.

It's standard Google ads, the same as you'll get on 1/2 the sites on the internet.

I'm not sure if it's the same for everyone but for me (without any ad blockers) it's just 1 banner down the side of the main page and one across the top of the search results page. I never enable cookies if I can help it so they're all just random shopping sites.

Edit: Just realised a simple way of saying it is: if you're ok with the ads on ESOUI.com then you're ok with the ones on TTC because they're the same.

Baertram · March 15

Yep, exactly working like Danikat explained.

Those adds are added by google and depend on your logged in user, your browser (e.g. if you use Google Chrome or MS Edge or Firefox is different as Firefox aimes in removing/anonymizing such adds mroe than other browsers), your settings in browser, your settings in Google user, your cookies, and and and

Basically the whole internet websites tha use google API, or Amazon API, or MS or Apple, or ... to show adds are doing the same. They track what you clicked and where you went and provide you similar adds then based on that. Except for if you disabled that, and your browser sends a "Do not track me" information (but even then they find a way that's still not disallowed...).

So you either do not care and get always similar adds or adds about stuff that might be of interest for you (and the companies know ALL about you in the end...) or you care and disallow collection this data and info, disable cookies or block certain ones, block adds or at least make it random adds -> Then you are not that good know to the companies anymore (but they still got ways) but your adds shown are randomly chosen and totally not of your interest (maybe).

Simply explained:
In either way the small adds are a way to get money to run the websites. So they are needed or the addon devs here have to pay all from their own money to host and run big databases of items of TTC.

You can choose to donate to him to support him and afterwards bblock the adds (fair way).
You can choose to see those adds and get him payed the hosting and databases that way (fair way).

You can be not interested in that all and just ignore all that the dev does, and what he needs to pay to make your addon work properly, block the adds and use the service and website all the way (unfair and egositic).
But might still work for the moment as there are some social players donating or not blocking the adds.
Until costs get too high and the dev needs to surrender due to it.
I'm waiting for the ones blocking the adds and not supporting the dev to complain then "The addon does not work anymore, make it work"...