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Did Mithril steal ESO's Logo?

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New game coming out seems to be biting on Skyrim's Dragonborn name and I noticed the ouroboros is their logo too
Edited by ZOS_Hadeostry on January 28, 2024 4:47AM
  • Fruma
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    Can't seem to find a game called Mithril. Possibly though. I'm curious, could you send a picture or site?
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    A real game or is it one of those abhorrent mobile game ads (that steal from everyone and everything anyway)?
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    It looks fine. Dungeon born sounds like dragonborn but isn't the same... besides, D&D HAS dragonborns (as a race). The ouroboros is also way different and as stated, not a unique idea.
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    Looks fine to me. Maybe "Dragonborn" is copyrighted by Zenimax, but that doesn't mean every other fantasy title ending with "-born" or "-borne" is copyrighted, too. Also, the ouroboros is definitively not the one used by ESO.
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    SeaGtGruff wrote: »
    I think they mean this:

    https://store.steampowered.com/app/2448970/Dungeonborne/

    I can't see the logo clearly, but a circular dragon(?) biting its own tail doesn't seem like an infringement, since a serpent biting its own tail is a very old and well-known image:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros

    ESO's version of an ouroboros is distinctive for a reason, so unless Mithril Interactive's ouroboros has three heads biting three tails, or something like that, it would be difficult to prove that any sort of infringement occurred. But I'm no lawyer!

    Edit: Better view of logo here:

    https://dungeonborne.com/EN/

    Not an exact copy but it sure seems like it's biting on Bethesda's games and style, don't have to be a lawyer to notice it.
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    Just like the ouroboros is a symbol that existed long before ZOS (and several other companies) decided to use it as a logo the suffix -born or -bourne to mean 'originating from' existed long before Skyrim.

    It's the same etymology as airbourne, meaning 'in/of the air' or 'carried by air'.
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  • Syldras
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    TimeViewer wrote: »
    Not an exact copy but it sure seems like it's biting on Bethesda's games and style, don't have to be a lawyer to notice it.

    The Ouroboros looks completely different. It's a more or less "normal" dragon, with one head, biting its tail. It even has wings.

    The font used also doesn't look like what's typically used for the TES series.

    Game screenshots as seen on Steam also don't look TES to me. Unless you are of the opinion that hanging cages and torches were typical TES and never seen anywhere else before.
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    Naa, there is no copyright or trademark infringment here. The typeface is different, the style is different and the ouroboros looks more like a traditional one headed dragon ouroboros.

    If anyone is guilty of anyting, it would be both companies drawing their inspiration from long established/pre-existing elements of the fantasy genre going back centuries.
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    Syl, WHAT is that? It's gorgeous! I want one....
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    TaSheen wrote: »
    Syl, WHAT is that? It's gorgeous! I want one....

    It's this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armadillo_girdled_lizard
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    Syldras wrote: »
    TaSheen wrote: »
    Syl, WHAT is that? It's gorgeous! I want one....

    It's this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armadillo_girdled_lizard

    Wow. I'm sure I'm not going to convince anyone to let me keep one.... and my husband would probably "mega-disapprove"....

    Serious. My own personal ouroboros.... Y'know, the first time I ever ran across the ouroboros was in E R Eddison's The Worm Ouroboros, which I read in about the 6th grade. I loved it, it's one of the books I reread at least once a year.... and I've wanted my own ouroboros ever since (so that's a long damn time as I'm nearing 80....)

    Thanks for the info! And.... I wonder how this is related to the armadillo found in Texas.....
    Edited by TaSheen on January 28, 2024 1:51AM
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    TaSheen wrote: »
    I wonder how this is related to the armadillo found in Texas.....

    Probably a case of convergence, I think - a fascinating topic, btw:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convergent_evolution


    Edited by Syldras on January 28, 2024 2:40AM
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    Syldras wrote: »
    Looks fine to me. Maybe "Dragonborn" is copyrighted by Zenimax, but that doesn't mean every other fantasy title ending with "-born" or "-borne" is copyrighted, too. Also, the ouroboros is definitively not the one used by ESO.

    I doubt that is copyrighted. I don't think you can even copyright that. Let's not forget about Dungeons and Dragons Dragonborn race also.
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    I doubt that is copyrighted. I don't think you can even copyright that. Let's not forget about Dungeons and Dragons Dragonborn race also.

    https://trademarks.justia.com/856/26/dragonborn-85626061.html
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    Syldras wrote: »
    TaSheen wrote: »
    I wonder how this is related to the armadillo found in Texas.....

    Probably a case of convergence, I think - a fascinating topic, btw:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convergent_evolution


    *blush* I totally spaced my college science courses. Thanks. I appreciate the info for sure! Uh. BTW - my college science courses were.... um.... 55 years ago more or less. So - science has changed materially from what I learned that long back.

    So, I think I need to get back into reading science, instead of concentrating on tech....
    Edited by TaSheen on January 28, 2024 3:24AM
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    TaSheen wrote: »
    BTW - my college science courses were.... um.... 55 years ago more or less. So - science has changed materially from what I learned that long back.

    Yes, indeed. I always found it interesting to discuss with my father how his school lessons were back then, in the 1950s. He was relatively old when I was born. A tendency on the paternal side of my family; my grandfather was born in the early 1900s (a pity he had already passed away a few years before my birth), my great-grandfather even in the 1860s.

    Edited by Syldras on January 28, 2024 4:18AM
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    Greetings everyone,

    As this thread has it's focus of something that isn't in game related, we are now going to close it.

    Thank you for your understanding.
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