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Who creates Fate in ES lore?

Glacku808
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I've been playing the Necrom expansion and I'm aware that HMora is the Prince of Fate - however, does that make the Daedric Prince the one who creates all of fate?
He in a quest also says: "Fate chose wisely when it chose you to help me"

I guess you could interpret that as him being cocky and prideful - traits of a daedric prince, but nonetheless, I ask:

Who in Elder Scrolls lore is responsible for Fate and the creation of it and reality? Is there an equivalence to The Fates in Greek Mythology?
  • prof-dracko
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    Depends who you ask, but it's absolutely not Mora. He scries fate, sees what is and could have been, and records it. He has no longer influence over fate itself.
    Obviously they're setting up Ithelia, but she's been MIA for possibly centuries with no obvious loss of fate.
    I think fate is just the choices you make (or don't) and the consequences, and nothing is pre-written. Some entities like to toss it around, but none of them got the ball rolling themselves.
  • Soarora
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    Ithelia. If we ignore her then I think fate is all possible outcomes into the future (the threads of fate), determined by gods upon those they control (ex. being Dragonborn), and maybe even the machinations of the Godhead.
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  • Eporem
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    The Creators of Fate to me would be all within the Aurbis that are able to make decisions that would or could change the direction of the thread or the path they are on unto another. Mephala I think contributes to changing directions of mortal fateline's if this is to be believed of her.

    Mephala interferes in the affairs of mortals for her own amusement,[20][21] and does nothing without purpose.[4] Mephala thinks of the affairs of mortals as a weave;[16] pull but one thread and the whole thing unravels.[22] To her, the "web" of the Aurbis is an interconnected system of action and consequence, and she spins new threads to influence outcomes. In an essay analyzing the Daedric Prince, Divayth Fyr posits that Mephala likely doesn't see mortals as mere playthings, unlike some of her fellow Princes.[4]

    https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Mephala

    and maybe Hermaeus Mora asked a favor of Mephala - to cast a thread that might attract ones to his realm.:-
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    Thoughts of Leramil the Wise on what Fate could be in this book: Master of the Tides of Fate

    https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Master_of_the_Tides_of_Fate

    Edited by Eporem on January 27, 2024 4:16PM
  • ColovianHastur
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    Fate is in the province of time, therefore it falls under the purview of the Time Dragon.
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    Soarora wrote: »
    Ithelia. If we ignore her then I think fate is all possible outcomes into the future (the threads of fate), determined by gods upon those they control (ex. being Dragonborn), and maybe even the machinations of the Godhead.

    Nah, I don't think so.

    I don't actually think there is an answer to this, which means we are free to make up whatever we want. :smile:

    So, my theory is that it isn't a "who" but a "what". I am going to suggest that it was a side effect of creating Akatosh. Time implies a before and an after and a connection between them. The connection is fate. I also hold that the connection is bidirectional, meaning that time and fate move from "before" to "after" in one of two directions.



    Edited by Elsonso on January 28, 2024 12:30AM
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  • Eporem
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    Elsonso wrote: »
    .also hold that the connection is bidirectional, meaning that time and fate move from "before" to "after" in one of two directions.

    I have seen this bidirectional movement in the portals within the Infinite Archive..

    you can enter into them with the script that travels around them going clockwise or you can enter into them with the script that travels around them going counter-clockwise . if this is what is meant by bidirectional
    Edited by Eporem on February 3, 2024 9:21PM
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