Is it time for ESO 2?

Lumsdenml

Luke_Flamesword wrote: »

I don't know, but there are still a lot of people playing Skyrim, and it just got an update 13 years after release....

And still you are here on ESO forum, playing ESO. This is what I'm talking about. Only for first few weeks we can play new TES so hard that we will not have time for ESO, but later it will be more casual playing.

I've not payed skyrim since ESO beta, I just know a lot of other people do.

Lumsdenml

Cooperharley wrote: »

ClowdyAllDay wrote: »

Cooperharley wrote: »

Nah for a variety of reasons:

1) Lots of the map still left to explore & plenty of planes of oblivion ($$$$)
2) Many players, including myself, wouldn't want to lose all of the progress & purchases
3) BGS & ZOS are not going to spend money developing ESO 2 with another MMO in the works (space-related) and ES6
4) Engine improvements and updates would go a long way and satisfy many people in your boat/sphere of thought - currently last gen consoles & low tier PCs are holding back revolutionary upgrades; once a sizeable portion of the playerbase has shown sufficient playtime on the new consoles, I believe we'll drop support and move forward finally
5) If ZOS dropped support for ESO, I'm sure many would find other MMOs and not necessarily go towards ESO 2, but that's subjective

you're gonna have to give evidence to convince me that older graphics machines hold back performance. I am def of the mindset that trying to satisfy the demands of new pc master race hardware is what drives performance down because newer machine owners what to feel like the money they spent gives them a better experience and this pressures game devs to use that increased performance and the poor servers just cant keep up with the demand. I'm of the opinion that a game designed for a ps4 would outperform on the same server hardware and a game that was designed for a ps6 would underperform on that same server hardware.

ZOS has said on several occasions - I'll let you look them up if you're fairly interested - that the reason we haven't had textures/animation updates or things of the sort is due to memory constraints with last generation consoles. If you look at the size of the updates for a new DLC or chapter on a PS4/Xbox1 vs a PS5/XboxX, you can see a massive GB difference in sizing just off the rip there.

Saying that a PS6 would underperform on a game optimized for PS4 is (I think/hope) you joking? Are you saying that PS5 essentially is going to run less efficiently than a PS4? I'm so confused by your argument.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't graphics all rendered client side and a huge quality upgrade would have next to zero affect on the servers?

essi2

Doing a ESO "2.0" overhaul is not beyond possibility, though I doubt they'd do it.
They have dropped support for older PC platforms, but I don't see them dropping the older consoles any time soon as long as there is a playerbase there.


ESO2? Not happening, I don't think there is any appetite at either Xbox, ZOS or Beth to invest into another TES MMO, atleast not until ESO becomes unsustainable.

And lets be real, Most MMOs fail, making a new TES MMO is way too risky when they already have 1 that is healthy.

We don't know what their other "New IP" MMO is yet, but it is a hell of a gamble.

Sarannah

If they were to make an ESO2, they would render ESO1 dead. Meaning all the money spent(and time) by players on ESO1 would be lost, and would not bode well for any ESO2. Maybe a major graphics overhaul and calling it ESO2 could be something.

But MMO's evolve over time, having new content in ESO is basically similar to creating an ESO2, but without the games being diconnected and without rendering every player effort/time/buy as lost in time.

Making an ESO2 would make me quit instantly to never return! An ESO2 should not even be discussed in my opinion.

RupzSkooma

Lumsdenml wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

With ES6 coming out in a couple of years, there is no way they would invest in another Elder Scrolls MMO.

It is my theory that ESO is part of the reason that TES6 is taking so long. ESO is a cash cow for them, so why would they cannibalize it with another TES game. Once TES6 launches, population in ESO will take s pretty good hit. In guessing TES6 somewhere around 2030.

There are single player, games as a service model with long-term support now. And I love that as that let me own the game and buy features that I want to use as well as continuous support from the developer and community.
So actually that wouldn’t happen to be to insane to think about.

However let’s be real considering BGS last 3 AAA games are Fallout 4, Fallout 76 and Starfield. I don’t believe they stand a chance stealing ESO players for more than few months after release. Also I am not sure if that will be in M$ best interest at that period of time anyway. I don’t know maybe they would want TES VI to last long while ESO team is free to completely focus on the upcoming game.

But who knows they might make a comeback with TES VI. But seems really unlikely rn

Treeshka

Something like that can only be done if the current player assets, spent money and their time is not rendered obsolete.

So slowly rewriting the code to make the game more optimized. Introducing better graphics for various assets and stuff. Various character creation and character model updates.

They have done it before in One Tamriel but for game balance. Maybe in the future they can again make a patch which focuses on older aspects of the game. Like this year we get a patch for bug fixing and maybe another year for graphics and other quality of life aspects.

colossalvoids

I feel they're already trying to rewrite some pieces of code etc. as old ones proved inefficient.

Not every company can or want to make "2" because of multitude of reasons, same as players might not want it themselves loosing progress or their monetary investment, same with emotional one. Rare company would do a transfer and seriously, do you believe in current zos so much to entrust them another take after ESO "1"?

reazea

After these most recent limitations put on Cyrodiil I'm so disillusioned with Zenimax that it's not likely I will every purchase another Zenimax product in the future.

DMuehlhausen

It won't happen. Why would you take away what is making you money?

EQ neer should have done it either, but I think they did cause the were 1 worried about losing to WoW, but also the tech was changing so much, but at this point EQ 1 is still going strong and is celebrating 25 years with 2 expansions this year.

redlink1979

Won't happen. The next ES will be ES6

RupzSkooma

redlink1979 wrote: »

Won't happen. The next ES will be ES6

TES: Castles :,)

Casdha

With the latest updates to Skyrim and its creation club, comparing it to the Cash Shop Crown Store here, I think ES6 will be a spiritual ESO 2 without the MMO bit (might have Co-Op play).

Why do I say this? I suspect ES6 will be full of micro transactions for gear and what knot (creation club). If Bethesda is smart they won't end official ES6 DLCs until they fill out Nirn on a solo game (to include other places beyond Tamriel).

edit: I suspect the Creation Club updates (latest just this week) I think Skyrim is beta testing elements to be used in ES6

S0Z0H

Not an "ESO 2" per say, but an ESO Remastered. The way Black Desert got it's amazing graphic remaster. Now if only Microsoft could rent one of those amazing Korean MMO game engines for ZOS to use.
That's honestly what I've been waiting for, a complete game engine upgrade. Heck, il take Unreal Engine 4...doesn't even have to be UE5! UE4 would look marvelous for ESO.

mb10

ADarklore wrote: »

With ES6 coming out in a couple of years, there is no way they would invest in another Elder Scrolls MMO.

say that but eso came out 2 years after skyrim and both were being worked on at the same time...

zaria

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

It won't happen. Why would you take away what is making you money?

EQ neer should have done it either, but I think they did cause the were 1 worried about losing to WoW, but also the tech was changing so much, but at this point EQ 1 is still going strong and is celebrating 25 years with 2 expansions this year.

That could you add in ESO 2 who is not in current game?
For some older games it made some sense as technology was changing so fast, not today.
Now they probably raise system requirements who if they are smart
One obvious idea is AI, how about an smart world boss. Or you get an new generated quest returning to an delve.

WitchyKiki

Nope, I like ESO as it is. ESO could get a graphics update and support PC more, instead of console. Some updates could just be exclusive to PC. I would love to see an overhaul just as Runescape has overhauled its game over and over. But a whole new game? Nah. I love the formula for ESO, every expansion adds some new mechanic, a whole zone and more TES lore. I am fine with that and could continue to play ESO for years to come.

SmellyUnlimited

WitchyKiki wrote: »

Nope, I like ESO as it is. ESO could get a graphics update and support PC more, instead of console. Some updates could just be exclusive to PC. I would love to see an overhaul just as Runescape has overhauled its game over and over. But a whole new game? Nah. I love the formula for ESO, every expansion adds some new mechanic, a whole zone and more TES lore. I am fine with that and could continue to play ESO for years to come.

PS5’s capability is basically untouched by ESO now. It can handle a LARGE update and be totally fine. PC already has a million add ons for auto targeting, buff timers, and quality of life improvements. It’d be wrong to leave the console community behind because of “PC MaStER rAcE.” Leave old console behind maybe, but next gen can handle whatever ZoS wants to throw at it.

Potrimpo

Lumsdenml wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

With ES6 coming out in a couple of years, there is no way they would invest in another Elder Scrolls MMO.

It is my theory that ESO is part of the reason that TES6 is taking so long. ESO is a cash cow for them, so why would they cannibalize it with another TES game. Once TES6 launches, population in ESO will take s pretty good hit. In guessing TES6 somewhere around 2030.

Don't think so. Developer TESO is ZeniMax Online Studios (Director Matt Firor), TES6 and Starfield both Bethesda Game Studios (Director Todd Howard). They are two different development studios

Jammy420

Yes, and put it in the hands of people who actually believe in practice makes perfect, not those who want the game to be a graphic novel, or the ones who want it to be dark souls level difficulty.

mb10

If it’s being developed by the right people it would be a good idea imo.
Developed by the same people? Forget it, no point.

You’ve seen how the current group have dealt with PVP. In TEN years of development, it’s gotten worse. PVP being such a huge element of any game in the gaming world just out of depth for the current group to deal with.
Would not want a whole new game with the same PVP and combat balance yo-yo issues we have now.

derkaiserliche

I think a little graphic overhaul could work but i cant imagine the outrage and frustration of everyone who played for thousands of hours and invested a lot of cash and time into the game.

On top of that you often like what you got used to, thats why wow classic works so well besides the old graphic.

Jammy420

mb10 wrote: »

If it’s being developed by the right people it would be a good idea imo.
Developed by the same people? Forget it, no point.

You’ve seen how the current group have dealt with PVP. In TEN years of development, it’s gotten worse. PVP being such a huge element of any game in the gaming world just out of depth for the current group to deal with.
Would not want a whole new game with the same PVP and combat balance yo-yo issues we have now.

Exactly, imho the people responsible for the combat, communication and the pvp should stay far, FAR away from anything involving the those things en perpetuity.

Dagoth_Rac

ClowdyAllDay wrote: »

Change is inevitable and with computer games more emphasis is placed on graphics and sounds than on story and lore. flashy flash flash brings the yonger crowds which franchises need.

This is literally exactly what the existing TES player base said about Morrowind 20 years ago and how it was the death of "real" Elder Scrolls.

dcam86b14_ESO

I agree that ESO 2 or even ESO reborn is needed.
The tech alone is what holds this game back from doing extraordinary things with combat, housing, character design and more. I normally refresh my PC after 4 or 5 years myself and I can't imagine 10+ yrs old tech holding on much longer.
As a beta player, I have seen the many ups and downs of this game and it's much needed cry for a facelift. Cyro as well would benefit from it.

It's still very fun to play that's not the issue here.

CrazyKitty

I'd sooner buy ESO classic, ESO circa 2016. All the great devs that created ESO have been gone too long and the new people don't share their vision or expertise.

h9dlb

Es6 will fail as its on the same game engine as starfield so I'd say yes ESO 2 is needed preferably on unreal engine 5

Nihilr

I actually can't wait until Elder Scrolls VI. Why?

Two main reasons, all around the fact that TONS of players are going to leave for a while, hurting "group content". Why would I enjoy this? It will show you EXACTLY how many players enjoy the game for the Elder Scrolls lore > forced Multi-player content:

* This will kickstart production of storymode features which solo/co-op players have been asking for (if it hasn't already been released by then).
* It will help the developers see which audience they should be listening to as far as content, not the loud minorities. They will know for sure what they should be working on to keep ESO alive and thriving. (Process of deduction).

People saying it won't release until 2030 are going to be blind-sided the most. Bethesda is known for releasing their games with less than 8 months of preview or any hints of it coming at all. They don't do what Red Barrel did with Cyberpunk 2077 (+9 years of few morsels and nothing between first trailer and launch)


Edit: On topic: ESO 2 is not coming until 2030's. If they do, I will be happy with paying for the base game upgrades over new stories. The developers said ESO 2 isn't coming until ESO 1 is complete. Proof? Just look at the Portal Room on a new character. We have quite a few more stories to go.