It's past time to nerf Way of the Fire

RetPing

I'm tired of seeing that in half of my fights the most damage I take is from this zero skill set. Hit someone once with rendering slashes and you are done.
Are we supposed to play Players Vs Players or Players Vs proc Sets?

Is this the combat team vision for PvP?
Could you please tell us what are your plans so I can finally decide if its time to find another game?

And please do not tell me to go in that empty campaign.

Many Thanks

Oblivion_Protocol

No. Absolutely not. Let’s be clear here. Way of Fire is a mediocre set at best. It props up Rending Slashes, which is boosted by Master’s Dual Wield and backed up by Vateshran and Maarselok’s.

You nerf Way of Fire and guess what? People will run Dragons’s Appetite/Order’s Wrath/pretty much anything else, and you’ll still die to this meta. There will just be one less interesting set to run in PvE.

RetPing

Order Wrath and dragon Appetite requires you do do actual damage, not hit somebody once and then go get a coffee.
In serious PvE no one uses it, if you use it for casual PvE a little nerf will not impact you.

DrNukenstein

I actually tried the legendary combination and threw it away because it's overrated garbage. Things about this thing that need to be put in writing:

-It actually ticks every other tick (4 seconds) if you only have one weapon dot on them. That means it's half as bad as it looks on paper if you only use one weapon dot
-When it ticks it hits about as hard as one masters dw tick which by itself is not unbearable
-It can only auto-tick on one target at a time. No spreading it around. If you spread your dots, you lose control over who it ticks on.
-Mediocre line bonuses and heavy armor. Aside from the overrated weapon dot synergy, you get a better deal with Ashen Grip.

It is annoying though, and there are even more annoying sets that exploit the weapon dot synergy. It would be great if procs only triggered off of direct and deliberate damage.

The bigger problem is dots last so long and when they're on you, you can heal through them keep your buffs up etc.... but if someone decides to all in you while you're dotted up from like 5 different people over the past 30 seconds they're capitalizing on all of that pressure that was applied by the rest of the lobby.

Rhaegar75

Way of fire is ok, nothing godly.

However the sooner they sort out master DW and Vateshran the better

Arcanasx

Despite having its performance inflated in a vampire meta, Way of Fire barely hits harder than a light attack and takes up an entire 5pc set. I'd be worried about something else if you feel like WoF is why you're losing.

RetPing

So if it so bad as you say why

Arcanasx wrote: »

I'd be worried about something else if you feel like WoF is why you're losing.

I have zero problems with "losing" in pvp, I just would like to have interesting fights.

VinnyGambini

Just make it proc only on direct dmg, not with dots. End of story, topic closed.

Alchimiste1

DrNukenstein wrote: »

I actually tried the legendary combination and threw it away because it's overrated garbage. Things about this thing that need to be put in writing:

-It actually ticks every other tick (4 seconds) if you only have one weapon dot on them. That means it's half as bad as it looks on paper if you only use one weapon dot
-When it ticks it hits about as hard as one masters dw tick which by itself is not unbearable
-It can only auto-tick on one target at a time. No spreading it around. If you spread your dots, you lose control over who it ticks on.
-Mediocre line bonuses and heavy armor. Aside from the overrated weapon dot synergy, you get a better deal with Ashen Grip.

It is annoying though, and there are even more annoying sets that exploit the weapon dot synergy. It would be great if procs only triggered off of direct and deliberate damage.

The bigger problem is dots last so long and when they're on you, you can heal through them keep your buffs up etc.... but if someone decides to all in you while you're dotted up from like 5 different people over the past 30 seconds they're capitalizing on all of that pressure that was applied by the rest of the lobby.

or you can just light attack, and it'll proc every two seconds if you are weaving.

El_Borracho

The only PVP I've found Way of Fire to be more than mediocre is in BGs. Stop demanding nerfs because a set shows up in your recap

DrNukenstein

Alchimiste1 wrote: »

or you can just light attack, and it'll proc every two seconds if you are weaving.

Then why not just run a stat set? The only thing propping this set up is the weapon dot interaction.

Alchimiste1

DrNukenstein wrote: »

Alchimiste1 wrote: »

or you can just light attack, and it'll proc every two seconds if you are weaving.

Then why not just run a stat set? The only thing propping this set up is the weapon dot interaction.

I'm sorry what ? that's completely false. you do realize its one of the better pressures sets available right?
are there better set ? sure.

But I'm not just going to let you downplay it like it only procs half as much as the tooltip says. Just light attack and it'll proc on cooldown.

valenwood_vegan

Every single day on here it's nerf this or that. Wish they'd balance pvp separately already.

Anyway, my own limited experience is that way of the fire is pretty mediocre and there are much worse things out there.

(Edit for typo).

DrNukenstein

Alchimiste1 wrote: »

I'm sorry what ? that's completely false. you do realize its one of the better pressures sets available right?
are there better set ? sure.

But I'm not just going to let you downplay it like it only procs half as much as the tooltip says. Just light attack and it'll proc on cooldown.

But what if you don't have 50-100% up time on your light attacks?

What if the enemy is kiting you with both expeditions and actively pushing buttons?

What if they have "cloak"?

What if you have way of fire only on your melee dw bar, so you can't pew pew it with your ranged back bar?

What if there is no such thing as a 1v1 outside of duels and fighting outside of your combo is a bad idea?

If you're not parsing someone then there are many ways to get more damage on that tangent point of impact than way of fire offers, such as with the average stat set.

And like don't get me wrong it's an annoying set when used the way it is, but it's not what's killing players. What kills me and probably others about that set up is thinking we can fight through it when the responsible decision would be to peel and run away if we can and that's just how it is in the dot meta whether it's weapon dot-proc cheese or some degenerate tagging you with as many dots as they can while you're not trying to deal with them.

Alchimiste1

DrNukenstein wrote: »

Alchimiste1 wrote: »

I'm sorry what ? that's completely false. you do realize its one of the better pressures sets available right?
are there better set ? sure.

But I'm not just going to let you downplay it like it only procs half as much as the tooltip says. Just light attack and it'll proc on cooldown.

But what if you don't have 50-100% up time on your light attacks?

What if the enemy is kiting you with both expeditions and actively pushing buttons?

What if they have "cloak"?

What if you have way of fire only on your melee dw bar, so you can't pew pew it with your ranged back bar?

What if there is no such thing as a 1v1 outside of duels and fighting outside of your combo is a bad idea?

If you're not parsing someone then there are many ways to get more damage on that tangent point of impact than way of fire offers, such as with the average stat set.

And like don't get me wrong it's an annoying set when used the way it is, but it's not what's killing players. What kills me and probably others about that set up is thinking we can fight through it when the responsible decision would be to peel and run away if we can and that's just how it is in the dot meta whether it's weapon dot-proc cheese or some degenerate tagging you with as many dots as they can while you're not trying to deal with them.

read what you wrote and ask yourself what if you were wearing a stat set instead of way of fire? would that make any difference in those scenarios?

No.

Way of fire is a strong set. Just to be clear I'm not arguing in favor of a nerf because I think there are other sets that cause more problems. I'm only saying its disingenuous to say its only half as good as people think because dots will only make it tic every 4 seconds.

katorga

A 33% increase to Crushing Shock. I guess about 100% increase to light attacks. Not enough on its own to warrant a nerf, imo.

It is a great set for my build because I don't "need" more stats. I'm already close to crit damage cap, 6K spell damage, 60% crit rate mostly based on class capability. Way of Fire is gravy on top of all of that. Nerf it to useless, and any one of other proc sets can replace it - they all provide about the same level of gravy.

Brakkish

RetPing wrote: »

<snip> Order Wrath and dragon Appetite requires you do do actual damage, not hit somebody once and then go get a coffee.

This made me laugh so hard