Banned players returning. An opinion.

Rohamad_Ali

ZoS, I can not name names or even say the reason some previously banned players were removed from the game but I can say this is bad to see them return. Some have returned after being banned more then twice. Fair play is most important despise all the broken mechanics that linger here. I don't want to go near pvp when I see those old names ever again. Hopefully one day you will tighten the reigns on your product. These people are no longer in question and they know it. The great meteor shower of Cyrodiil is a real event.

Perma ban for cheaters please. Those of us that don't cheat and pay to play deserve better.

SaffronCitrusflower

I agree completely. I know one player that has been banned and always seems to be back, sometimes a month or more after their ban.

A perma banned account can always just make a new account and start over, but at least they'd have to start over from scratch and grind level their account before reengaging in their banned antics, so that would be good at least.

phaneub17_ESO

Money. A perma-banned player doesn't spend any money. Although I think PvP exclusive players spend the least amount. The RPers, housing, and dress up dolls spend the most cash.

Tandor

To make sense of this, one needs to know whether a player was "banned" or merely "suspended". The former term is much misused in situations where only a temporary suspension was applied.

Elsonso

Tandor wrote: »

To make sense of this, one needs to know whether a player was "banned" or merely "suspended". The former term is much misused in situations where only a temporary suspension was applied.

This game is 10 years old. If someone was banned 8 years ago, I would imagine that they could probably appeal it, if they really wanted to. Depending on what they did, they might be able to get back in.

Tandor

Elsonso wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

To make sense of this, one needs to know whether a player was "banned" or merely "suspended". The former term is much misused in situations where only a temporary suspension was applied.

This game is 10 years old. If someone was banned 8 years ago, I would imagine that they could probably appeal it, if they really wanted to. Depending on what they did, they might be able to get back in.

Anyone with a permanent ban can immediately get back in with another account, including ever so slightly different user and character names that can be easily mistaken for the original ones. But yes, I imagine that appealing against a ban from some years ago might be successful.

ZOS have also been quite clear that in cases of cheating the level of punishment is very much based on the overall account history.

spartaxoxo

Tandor wrote: »

To make sense of this, one needs to know whether a player was "banned" or merely "suspended". The former term is much misused in situations where only a temporary suspension was applied.

Banned doesn't just mean permanent. If the ban was lifted, then the user in question likely was temporarily banned.

Tandor

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

To make sense of this, one needs to know whether a player was "banned" or merely "suspended". The former term is much misused in situations where only a temporary suspension was applied.

Banned doesn't just mean permanent. If the ban was lifted, then the user in question likely was temporarily banned.

Hence my comment which you quoted. A lot of gamers take a ban as being permanent, when in fact it wasn't really a ban in the sense they imagined but merely a suspension.

dragonlord500

I'm a little shock to see this topic. according to Zenimax's terms of service they will never tolerate cheating of any kind and yet this topic is about these cheaters returning. I very much wonder how many innocent players have truly been perma banned over a minor rule breaking action they committed.

SeaGtGruff

dragonlord500 wrote: »

I'm a little shock to see this topic. according to Zenimax's terms of service they will never tolerate cheating of any kind and yet this topic is about these cheaters returning. I very much wonder how many innocent players have truly been perma banned over a minor rule breaking action they committed.

Correction-- "suspected cheaters" and "alleged cheaters." We can report someone we suspect of cheating, but our belief that they're cheating is merely an allegation. ZOS would need to investigate to determine whether the accused player was actually cheating, and if so, how severe of an infraction they committed. Note, I'm not claiming anything about the so-called "cheaters" to whom this thread is referring, merely speaking in general terms.

Rohamad_Ali

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

dragonlord500 wrote: »

I'm a little shock to see this topic. according to Zenimax's terms of service they will never tolerate cheating of any kind and yet this topic is about these cheaters returning. I very much wonder how many innocent players have truly been perma banned over a minor rule breaking action they committed.

Correction-- "suspected cheaters" and "alleged cheaters." .

alternatelder

There was/(probably still is?) a guy on PS that would always seemingly sign on just to say a racist slur, same thing every single time, and then sign out. It went on for years at least a few times a month. That made me realize they just don't believe in perma banning. Even the great parade through Belkarth (IYKYK)- those people came back, one still streaming to this day. Stuff like that should get you perma banned, ip banned.

MissAethe

Yeahhhh, there's been a handful of people in pvp who have been suspended or banned and roll right back in a week later. Some of them we have actual open proof of cheating and nothing ever happens. Daily zone chat harassment directed at one specific person and guild but yet again nothing ever happens. Sucks but people get a gentle slap and roll back in.

Tandor

alternatelder wrote: »

There was/(probably still is?) a guy on PS that would always seemingly sign on just to say a racist slur, same thing every single time, and then sign out. It went on for years at least a few times a month. That made me realize they just don't believe in perma banning. Even the great parade through Belkarth (IYKYK)- those people came back, one still streaming to this day. Stuff like that should get you perma banned, ip banned.

IP bans serve no purpose as players can get round them, and innocent players find themselves banned because of shared IPs.

TaSheen

Tandor wrote: »

alternatelder wrote: »

There was/(probably still is?) a guy on PS that would always seemingly sign on just to say a racist slur, same thing every single time, and then sign out. It went on for years at least a few times a month. That made me realize they just don't believe in perma banning. Even the great parade through Belkarth (IYKYK)- those people came back, one still streaming to this day. Stuff like that should get you perma banned, ip banned.

IP bans serve no purpose as players can get round them, and innocent players find themselves banned because of shared IPs.

All too true. Unfortunately. Bad actors are the ones with all the tools....

Amottica

Tandor wrote: »

To make sense of this, one needs to know whether a player was "banned" or merely "suspended". The former term is much misused in situations where only a temporary suspension was applied.

True. And we do not know the reason. A ban likely has to be huge or a string of repeated offenses. Something that we as players are not and will not be privy to.

FeedbackOnly

We don't always know the full situation. People see me in the game and think I was banned. Rumors are dangerous

Rohamad_Ali

Last time I left two years and when I returned after a big ban wave, the game was relatively fun again. Maybe a hiatus is just the remedy for me again.

FeedbackOnly

Don't let others ruin your fun

Tyralbin

I had a friend that was running Alik'r Desert Dolmens in the zergs.

She got banned along with anybody that was in that zerg because somebody was cheating in some way.

They had to find out who was exploiting.

She was back in 3 days.

So yes innocent players can get caught up in the banning process.

Warhawke_80

I'm not concerned about what someone did a year or more ago unless it's criminal in nature...besides the game itself is cheap to free... just get another account.

It's probably easier than appealing as I have never once heard of anyone getting reinstated....even if I did I couldn't talk about it

Karivaa

Some people see Weill banned from 7 years ago.

Four_Fingers

If they did their time and ZOS lets them back, then that is none of our business.
I don't know what this obsession with being vigilante "game police" in game and on the forums is all about lately.
We should just mind our own business.

Concrete

Four_Fingers wrote: »

If they did their time and ZOS lets them back, then that is none of our business.
I don't know what this obsession with being vigilante "game police" in game and on the forums is all about lately.
We should just mind our own business.

When dishonest players, play dishonestly, it is somewhat the player communities responsibility. Due to the seeming inability for ZoS to real-time moderate, and consistently require the player community to report issues (always with images/video for proof), which in itself is an issue because you dont always know when to hit the rec button.

Granamere

Also you can just change the account to a different name so if you can login to the website after being banned then change the name of the banned account (no idea so far never been banned and I do not want to test this) then you could make a new account with the old "banned" name. Yes then you need to level up and all again but getting to level 50 CP 160 would not take long esp if during an event.

I know if you have a friend and they change the account name in the friends list you will see the new name. I would assume if you add the "banned" account preban to your ignore list you could see if they rename the account. If anyone want to test my theory.

GooGa592

Four_Fingers wrote: »

If they did their time and ZOS lets them back, then that is none of our business.
I don't know what this obsession with being vigilante "game police" in game and on the forums is all about lately.
We should just mind our own business.

Those banned for exploiting or being toxic will almost always be repeat offenders. That's the problem.

Four_Fingers

I disagree some people learn their lessons and it is not for us to judge.
If they repeat offend they get banned again and in most cases it is 3 strikes and you're out.