Daily writs on an account (20 characters) nets a profit of about 2 million gold per day.
90 days of doing writs and you can get every single attunable station in the game for your own personal guild hall seems extremely reasonable.
You already can earn your stations by doing your writs alone. I didn't buy any master writs to complete my entire collection of attunable stations (in fact, I sell nearly half of the master writs I get because they aren't worth it to do), and I can sell them regularly.
The stations have gone up by that factor, because the materials have gone up by that much as well. It's general inflation.
Yes, they cost 2.5x as much, but you can get 2.5x as much for harvesting raw materials, so the time spent is exactly the same.
If an entire guild can't get donations for the 3,000 writ vouchers that are needed for the new attunable stations every 6 months, that guild needs to do some outreach to their members, as that is a pathetically small number to get from a group of 50-500 players. I literally get that in less than a month by myself, a larger group should have zero issues.
Daily writs on an account (20 characters) nets a profit of about 2 million gold per day.
90 days of doing writs and you can get every single attunable station in the game for your own personal guild hall seems extremely reasonable.
You already can earn your stations by doing your writs alone. I didn't buy any master writs to complete my entire collection of attunable stations (in fact, I sell nearly half of the master writs I get because they aren't worth it to do), and I can sell them regularly.
The stations have gone up by that factor, because the materials have gone up by that much as well. It's general inflation.
Yes, they cost 2.5x as much, but you can get 2.5x as much for harvesting raw materials, so the time spent is exactly the same.
If an entire guild can't get donations for the 3,000 writ vouchers that are needed for the new attunable stations every 6 months, that guild needs to do some outreach to their members, as that is a pathetically small number to get from a group of 50-500 players. I literally get that in less than a month by myself, a larger group should have zero issues.
Daily writs on an account (20 characters) nets a profit of about 2 million gold per day.
90 days of doing writs and you can get every single attunable station in the game for your own personal guild hall seems extremely reasonable.
You already can earn your stations by doing your writs alone. I didn't buy any master writs to complete my entire collection of attunable stations (in fact, I sell nearly half of the master writs I get because they aren't worth it to do), and I can sell them regularly.
The stations have gone up by that factor, because the materials have gone up by that much as well. It's general inflation.
Yes, they cost 2.5x as much, but you can get 2.5x as much for harvesting raw materials, so the time spent is exactly the same.
If an entire guild can't get donations for the 3,000 writ vouchers that are needed for the new attunable stations every 6 months, that guild needs to do some outreach to their members, as that is a pathetically small number to get from a group of 50-500 players. I literally get that in less than a month by myself, a larger group should have zero issues.
how do you manage to get even close to 2 million per day?
doing the daily writs of all my 20 characters only gives me ~100k gold.
Daily writs on an account (20 characters) nets a profit of about 2 million gold per day.
90 days of doing writs and you can get every single attunable station in the game for your own personal guild hall seems extremely reasonable.
You already can earn your stations by doing your writs alone. I didn't buy any master writs to complete my entire collection of attunable stations (in fact, I sell nearly half of the master writs I get because they aren't worth it to do), and I can sell them regularly.
The stations have gone up by that factor, because the materials have gone up by that much as well. It's general inflation.
Yes, they cost 2.5x as much, but you can get 2.5x as much for harvesting raw materials, so the time spent is exactly the same.
If an entire guild can't get donations for the 3,000 writ vouchers that are needed for the new attunable stations every 6 months, that guild needs to do some outreach to their members, as that is a pathetically small number to get from a group of 50-500 players. I literally get that in less than a month by myself, a larger group should have zero issues.
how do you manage to get even close to 2 million per day?
doing the daily writs of all my 20 characters only gives me ~100k gold.
I'm talking about the value of all the rewards. The gold materials, the master writs, the surveys, the returned materials.
DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »Daily writs on an account (20 characters) nets a profit of about 2 million gold per day.
90 days of doing writs and you can get every single attunable station in the game for your own personal guild hall seems extremely reasonable.
You already can earn your stations by doing your writs alone. I didn't buy any master writs to complete my entire collection of attunable stations (in fact, I sell nearly half of the master writs I get because they aren't worth it to do), and I can sell them regularly.
The stations have gone up by that factor, because the materials have gone up by that much as well. It's general inflation.
Yes, they cost 2.5x as much, but you can get 2.5x as much for harvesting raw materials, so the time spent is exactly the same.
If an entire guild can't get donations for the 3,000 writ vouchers that are needed for the new attunable stations every 6 months, that guild needs to do some outreach to their members, as that is a pathetically small number to get from a group of 50-500 players. I literally get that in less than a month by myself, a larger group should have zero issues.
Yeah I don't have the money to buy 10 extra character slots nor the time or patience to level up 20 toons to do crafting and get them all the skills. That is a TON of investment. 90 days of writs to get attunables seems extremely unreasonable to me. And I have no idea how you are getting 2 mil from 20 toons. If I am lucky I get 2-3 gold mats from 10.
DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »Daily writs on an account (20 characters) nets a profit of about 2 million gold per day.
90 days of doing writs and you can get every single attunable station in the game for your own personal guild hall seems extremely reasonable.
You already can earn your stations by doing your writs alone. I didn't buy any master writs to complete my entire collection of attunable stations (in fact, I sell nearly half of the master writs I get because they aren't worth it to do), and I can sell them regularly.
The stations have gone up by that factor, because the materials have gone up by that much as well. It's general inflation.
Yes, they cost 2.5x as much, but you can get 2.5x as much for harvesting raw materials, so the time spent is exactly the same.
If an entire guild can't get donations for the 3,000 writ vouchers that are needed for the new attunable stations every 6 months, that guild needs to do some outreach to their members, as that is a pathetically small number to get from a group of 50-500 players. I literally get that in less than a month by myself, a larger group should have zero issues.
Yeah I don't have the money to buy 10 extra character slots nor the time or patience to level up 20 toons to do crafting and get them all the skills. That is a TON of investment. 90 days of writs to get attunables seems extremely unreasonable to me. And I have no idea how you are getting 2 mil from 20 toons. If I am lucky I get 2-3 gold mats from 10.
Then you aren't doing your writs at max level. It's a 30% (25% for jewelry, but about a 20% chance of double drop, gives about the same 30%) drop chance per writ (BS/WW/Cloth/Ench/Jewelry), which means you should get an average of 1.5 per character per day.
Yes, it should be an investment to get every single attunable station for your own personal house. So either invest, or reward those that do invest.
DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »Daily writs on an account (20 characters) nets a profit of about 2 million gold per day.
90 days of doing writs and you can get every single attunable station in the game for your own personal guild hall seems extremely reasonable.
You already can earn your stations by doing your writs alone. I didn't buy any master writs to complete my entire collection of attunable stations (in fact, I sell nearly half of the master writs I get because they aren't worth it to do), and I can sell them regularly.
The stations have gone up by that factor, because the materials have gone up by that much as well. It's general inflation.
Yes, they cost 2.5x as much, but you can get 2.5x as much for harvesting raw materials, so the time spent is exactly the same.
If an entire guild can't get donations for the 3,000 writ vouchers that are needed for the new attunable stations every 6 months, that guild needs to do some outreach to their members, as that is a pathetically small number to get from a group of 50-500 players. I literally get that in less than a month by myself, a larger group should have zero issues.
how do you manage to get even close to 2 million per day?
doing the daily writs of all my 20 characters only gives me ~100k gold.
I'm talking about the value of all the rewards. The gold materials, the master writs, the surveys, the returned materials.
How many surveys, master writs and gold mats are you getting back? Also the returned mats don't even come close to covering the cost of what was spent. Am I going about this all wrong? Do you know something that I do not?
Daily writs on an account (20 characters) nets a profit of about 2 million gold per day.
Daily writs on an account (20 characters) nets a profit of about 2 million gold per day.
You may want to go back and check your math on this. Daily writs only averages about 5,000 gold per character per day. That is 100,000 gold per day with 20 characters. How are you coming up with 2 million?
DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »Daily writs on an account (20 characters) nets a profit of about 2 million gold per day.
90 days of doing writs and you can get every single attunable station in the game for your own personal guild hall seems extremely reasonable.
You already can earn your stations by doing your writs alone. I didn't buy any master writs to complete my entire collection of attunable stations (in fact, I sell nearly half of the master writs I get because they aren't worth it to do), and I can sell them regularly.
The stations have gone up by that factor, because the materials have gone up by that much as well. It's general inflation.
Yes, they cost 2.5x as much, but you can get 2.5x as much for harvesting raw materials, so the time spent is exactly the same.
If an entire guild can't get donations for the 3,000 writ vouchers that are needed for the new attunable stations every 6 months, that guild needs to do some outreach to their members, as that is a pathetically small number to get from a group of 50-500 players. I literally get that in less than a month by myself, a larger group should have zero issues.
Yeah I don't have the money to buy 10 extra character slots nor the time or patience to level up 20 toons to do crafting and get them all the skills. That is a TON of investment. 90 days of writs to get attunables seems extremely unreasonable to me. And I have no idea how you are getting 2 mil from 20 toons. If I am lucky I get 2-3 gold mats from 10.
Then you aren't doing your writs at max level. It's a 30% (25% for jewelry, but about a 20% chance of double drop, gives about the same 30%) drop chance per writ (BS/WW/Cloth/Ench/Jewelry), which means you should get an average of 1.5 per character per day.
Yes, it should be an investment to get every single attunable station for your own personal house. So either invest, or reward those that do invest.
I am doing them at level 10s and jewelery 5 (since they changed it to that). I get mostly 1-2 gold mats every day from 10 toons. This is consistent though months. Unless my account has some metadata I don't know about attached to it lowering drop chances or something crazy like that I don't think that those are the odds.
Daily writs on an account (20 characters) nets a profit of about 2 million gold per day.
You may want to go back and check your math on this. Daily writs only averages about 5,000 gold per character per day. That is 100,000 gold per day with 20 characters. How are you coming up with 2 million?
DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »Daily writs on an account (20 characters) nets a profit of about 2 million gold per day.
90 days of doing writs and you can get every single attunable station in the game for your own personal guild hall seems extremely reasonable.
You already can earn your stations by doing your writs alone. I didn't buy any master writs to complete my entire collection of attunable stations (in fact, I sell nearly half of the master writs I get because they aren't worth it to do), and I can sell them regularly.
The stations have gone up by that factor, because the materials have gone up by that much as well. It's general inflation.
Yes, they cost 2.5x as much, but you can get 2.5x as much for harvesting raw materials, so the time spent is exactly the same.
If an entire guild can't get donations for the 3,000 writ vouchers that are needed for the new attunable stations every 6 months, that guild needs to do some outreach to their members, as that is a pathetically small number to get from a group of 50-500 players. I literally get that in less than a month by myself, a larger group should have zero issues.
Yeah I don't have the money to buy 10 extra character slots nor the time or patience to level up 20 toons to do crafting and get them all the skills. That is a TON of investment. 90 days of writs to get attunables seems extremely unreasonable to me. And I have no idea how you are getting 2 mil from 20 toons. If I am lucky I get 2-3 gold mats from 10.
Then you aren't doing your writs at max level. It's a 30% (25% for jewelry, but about a 20% chance of double drop, gives about the same 30%) drop chance per writ (BS/WW/Cloth/Ench/Jewelry), which means you should get an average of 1.5 per character per day.
Yes, it should be an investment to get every single attunable station for your own personal house. So either invest, or reward those that do invest.
I am doing them at level 10s and jewelery 5 (since they changed it to that). I get mostly 1-2 gold mats every day from 10 toons. This is consistent though months. Unless my account has some metadata I don't know about attached to it lowering drop chances or something crazy like that I don't think that those are the odds.
1 in 3.33 would be 30%
That's the drop rate. This is just in Update 40. 6+ years of data in the spreadsheet says the same thing.
DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »Daily writs on an account (20 characters) nets a profit of about 2 million gold per day.
90 days of doing writs and you can get every single attunable station in the game for your own personal guild hall seems extremely reasonable.
You already can earn your stations by doing your writs alone. I didn't buy any master writs to complete my entire collection of attunable stations (in fact, I sell nearly half of the master writs I get because they aren't worth it to do), and I can sell them regularly.
The stations have gone up by that factor, because the materials have gone up by that much as well. It's general inflation.
Yes, they cost 2.5x as much, but you can get 2.5x as much for harvesting raw materials, so the time spent is exactly the same.
If an entire guild can't get donations for the 3,000 writ vouchers that are needed for the new attunable stations every 6 months, that guild needs to do some outreach to their members, as that is a pathetically small number to get from a group of 50-500 players. I literally get that in less than a month by myself, a larger group should have zero issues.
Yeah I don't have the money to buy 10 extra character slots nor the time or patience to level up 20 toons to do crafting and get them all the skills. That is a TON of investment. 90 days of writs to get attunables seems extremely unreasonable to me. And I have no idea how you are getting 2 mil from 20 toons. If I am lucky I get 2-3 gold mats from 10.
Then you aren't doing your writs at max level. It's a 30% (25% for jewelry, but about a 20% chance of double drop, gives about the same 30%) drop chance per writ (BS/WW/Cloth/Ench/Jewelry), which means you should get an average of 1.5 per character per day.
Yes, it should be an investment to get every single attunable station for your own personal house. So either invest, or reward those that do invest.
I am doing them at level 10s and jewelery 5 (since they changed it to that). I get mostly 1-2 gold mats every day from 10 toons. This is consistent though months. Unless my account has some metadata I don't know about attached to it lowering drop chances or something crazy like that I don't think that those are the odds.
1 in 3.33 would be 30%
That's the drop rate. This is just in Update 40. 6+ years of data in the spreadsheet says the same thing.
While I can't help but to applaud your dedication in writing this stuff down, just because you get that doesn't mean everyone does.
DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »Daily writs on an account (20 characters) nets a profit of about 2 million gold per day.
90 days of doing writs and you can get every single attunable station in the game for your own personal guild hall seems extremely reasonable.
You already can earn your stations by doing your writs alone. I didn't buy any master writs to complete my entire collection of attunable stations (in fact, I sell nearly half of the master writs I get because they aren't worth it to do), and I can sell them regularly.
The stations have gone up by that factor, because the materials have gone up by that much as well. It's general inflation.
Yes, they cost 2.5x as much, but you can get 2.5x as much for harvesting raw materials, so the time spent is exactly the same.
If an entire guild can't get donations for the 3,000 writ vouchers that are needed for the new attunable stations every 6 months, that guild needs to do some outreach to their members, as that is a pathetically small number to get from a group of 50-500 players. I literally get that in less than a month by myself, a larger group should have zero issues.
Yeah I don't have the money to buy 10 extra character slots nor the time or patience to level up 20 toons to do crafting and get them all the skills. That is a TON of investment. 90 days of writs to get attunables seems extremely unreasonable to me. And I have no idea how you are getting 2 mil from 20 toons. If I am lucky I get 2-3 gold mats from 10.
Then you aren't doing your writs at max level. It's a 30% (25% for jewelry, but about a 20% chance of double drop, gives about the same 30%) drop chance per writ (BS/WW/Cloth/Ench/Jewelry), which means you should get an average of 1.5 per character per day.
Yes, it should be an investment to get every single attunable station for your own personal house. So either invest, or reward those that do invest.
I am doing them at level 10s and jewelery 5 (since they changed it to that). I get mostly 1-2 gold mats every day from 10 toons. This is consistent though months. Unless my account has some metadata I don't know about attached to it lowering drop chances or something crazy like that I don't think that those are the odds.
1 in 3.33 would be 30%
That's the drop rate. This is just in Update 40. 6+ years of data in the spreadsheet says the same thing.
While I can't help but to applaud your dedication in writing this stuff down, just because you get that doesn't mean everyone does.
These are statistically relevant sample sizes. I am extremely confident that these are the drop rates. (I teach mathematics, I know how to do statistical analysis of data sets)
Show me your data, not anecdotes, actual data. Nobody who has ever challenged it has shown any statistically relevant data... just "feelings".
So, sorry. I don't buy it.
DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »Daily writs on an account (20 characters) nets a profit of about 2 million gold per day.
90 days of doing writs and you can get every single attunable station in the game for your own personal guild hall seems extremely reasonable.
You already can earn your stations by doing your writs alone. I didn't buy any master writs to complete my entire collection of attunable stations (in fact, I sell nearly half of the master writs I get because they aren't worth it to do), and I can sell them regularly.
The stations have gone up by that factor, because the materials have gone up by that much as well. It's general inflation.
Yes, they cost 2.5x as much, but you can get 2.5x as much for harvesting raw materials, so the time spent is exactly the same.
If an entire guild can't get donations for the 3,000 writ vouchers that are needed for the new attunable stations every 6 months, that guild needs to do some outreach to their members, as that is a pathetically small number to get from a group of 50-500 players. I literally get that in less than a month by myself, a larger group should have zero issues.
Yeah I don't have the money to buy 10 extra character slots nor the time or patience to level up 20 toons to do crafting and get them all the skills. That is a TON of investment. 90 days of writs to get attunables seems extremely unreasonable to me. And I have no idea how you are getting 2 mil from 20 toons. If I am lucky I get 2-3 gold mats from 10.
Then you aren't doing your writs at max level. It's a 30% (25% for jewelry, but about a 20% chance of double drop, gives about the same 30%) drop chance per writ (BS/WW/Cloth/Ench/Jewelry), which means you should get an average of 1.5 per character per day.
Yes, it should be an investment to get every single attunable station for your own personal house. So either invest, or reward those that do invest.
I am doing them at level 10s and jewelery 5 (since they changed it to that). I get mostly 1-2 gold mats every day from 10 toons. This is consistent though months. Unless my account has some metadata I don't know about attached to it lowering drop chances or something crazy like that I don't think that those are the odds.
1 in 3.33 would be 30%
That's the drop rate. This is just in Update 40. 6+ years of data in the spreadsheet says the same thing.
While I can't help but to applaud your dedication in writing this stuff down, just because you get that doesn't mean everyone does.
These are statistically relevant sample sizes. I am extremely confident that these are the drop rates. (I teach mathematics, I know how to do statistical analysis of data sets)
Show me your data, not anecdotes, actual data. Nobody who has ever challenged it has shown any statistically relevant data... just "feelings".
So, sorry. I don't buy it.
I appreciate your insistence to look at solid data points, I really do. But I do not have the time or patience to write out this data because I am a gamer and not a scientist. Regardless I think you are making the fatal mistake of assuming that everyone has the same drop rate. Besides, just telling me that I actually AM making boatloads of cash when I am not just isn't an argument. Like what are you getting at, that I really do make boatloads of money and am lying? If I did then I wouldn't be on here complaining. I asked if you knew something that I didn't and it seems like you don't, no offense. Although I am interested now in what you used to chart this data because looking at it, it seems like you used some addon I don't know about. Can I get the name of it? Maybe I could prove it after all.
DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »Daily writs on an account (20 characters) nets a profit of about 2 million gold per day.
90 days of doing writs and you can get every single attunable station in the game for your own personal guild hall seems extremely reasonable.
You already can earn your stations by doing your writs alone. I didn't buy any master writs to complete my entire collection of attunable stations (in fact, I sell nearly half of the master writs I get because they aren't worth it to do), and I can sell them regularly.
The stations have gone up by that factor, because the materials have gone up by that much as well. It's general inflation.
Yes, they cost 2.5x as much, but you can get 2.5x as much for harvesting raw materials, so the time spent is exactly the same.
If an entire guild can't get donations for the 3,000 writ vouchers that are needed for the new attunable stations every 6 months, that guild needs to do some outreach to their members, as that is a pathetically small number to get from a group of 50-500 players. I literally get that in less than a month by myself, a larger group should have zero issues.
Yeah I don't have the money to buy 10 extra character slots nor the time or patience to level up 20 toons to do crafting and get them all the skills. That is a TON of investment. 90 days of writs to get attunables seems extremely unreasonable to me. And I have no idea how you are getting 2 mil from 20 toons. If I am lucky I get 2-3 gold mats from 10.
Then you aren't doing your writs at max level. It's a 30% (25% for jewelry, but about a 20% chance of double drop, gives about the same 30%) drop chance per writ (BS/WW/Cloth/Ench/Jewelry), which means you should get an average of 1.5 per character per day.
Yes, it should be an investment to get every single attunable station for your own personal house. So either invest, or reward those that do invest.
I am doing them at level 10s and jewelery 5 (since they changed it to that). I get mostly 1-2 gold mats every day from 10 toons. This is consistent though months. Unless my account has some metadata I don't know about attached to it lowering drop chances or something crazy like that I don't think that those are the odds.
1 in 3.33 would be 30%
That's the drop rate. This is just in Update 40. 6+ years of data in the spreadsheet says the same thing.
While I can't help but to applaud your dedication in writing this stuff down, just because you get that doesn't mean everyone does.
These are statistically relevant sample sizes. I am extremely confident that these are the drop rates. (I teach mathematics, I know how to do statistical analysis of data sets)
Show me your data, not anecdotes, actual data. Nobody who has ever challenged it has shown any statistically relevant data... just "feelings".
So, sorry. I don't buy it.
I appreciate your insistence to look at solid data points, I really do. But I do not have the time or patience to write out this data because I am a gamer and not a scientist. Regardless I think you are making the fatal mistake of assuming that everyone has the same drop rate. Besides, just telling me that I actually AM making boatloads of cash when I am not just isn't an argument. Like what are you getting at, that I really do make boatloads of money and am lying? If I did then I wouldn't be on here complaining. I asked if you knew something that I didn't and it seems like you don't, no offense. Although I am interested now in what you used to chart this data because looking at it, it seems like you used some addon I don't know about. Can I get the name of it? Maybe I could prove it after all.
wolfie1.0. wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »Daily writs on an account (20 characters) nets a profit of about 2 million gold per day.
90 days of doing writs and you can get every single attunable station in the game for your own personal guild hall seems extremely reasonable.
You already can earn your stations by doing your writs alone. I didn't buy any master writs to complete my entire collection of attunable stations (in fact, I sell nearly half of the master writs I get because they aren't worth it to do), and I can sell them regularly.
The stations have gone up by that factor, because the materials have gone up by that much as well. It's general inflation.
Yes, they cost 2.5x as much, but you can get 2.5x as much for harvesting raw materials, so the time spent is exactly the same.
If an entire guild can't get donations for the 3,000 writ vouchers that are needed for the new attunable stations every 6 months, that guild needs to do some outreach to their members, as that is a pathetically small number to get from a group of 50-500 players. I literally get that in less than a month by myself, a larger group should have zero issues.
Yeah I don't have the money to buy 10 extra character slots nor the time or patience to level up 20 toons to do crafting and get them all the skills. That is a TON of investment. 90 days of writs to get attunables seems extremely unreasonable to me. And I have no idea how you are getting 2 mil from 20 toons. If I am lucky I get 2-3 gold mats from 10.
Then you aren't doing your writs at max level. It's a 30% (25% for jewelry, but about a 20% chance of double drop, gives about the same 30%) drop chance per writ (BS/WW/Cloth/Ench/Jewelry), which means you should get an average of 1.5 per character per day.
Yes, it should be an investment to get every single attunable station for your own personal house. So either invest, or reward those that do invest.
I am doing them at level 10s and jewelery 5 (since they changed it to that). I get mostly 1-2 gold mats every day from 10 toons. This is consistent though months. Unless my account has some metadata I don't know about attached to it lowering drop chances or something crazy like that I don't think that those are the odds.
1 in 3.33 would be 30%
That's the drop rate. This is just in Update 40. 6+ years of data in the spreadsheet says the same thing.
While I can't help but to applaud your dedication in writing this stuff down, just because you get that doesn't mean everyone does.
These are statistically relevant sample sizes. I am extremely confident that these are the drop rates. (I teach mathematics, I know how to do statistical analysis of data sets)
Show me your data, not anecdotes, actual data. Nobody who has ever challenged it has shown any statistically relevant data... just "feelings".
So, sorry. I don't buy it.
I appreciate your insistence to look at solid data points, I really do. But I do not have the time or patience to write out this data because I am a gamer and not a scientist. Regardless I think you are making the fatal mistake of assuming that everyone has the same drop rate. Besides, just telling me that I actually AM making boatloads of cash when I am not just isn't an argument. Like what are you getting at, that I really do make boatloads of money and am lying? If I did then I wouldn't be on here complaining. I asked if you knew something that I didn't and it seems like you don't, no offense. Although I am interested now in what you used to chart this data because looking at it, it seems like you used some addon I don't know about. Can I get the name of it? Maybe I could prove it after all.
Natural rng varations aside. Tmbanks's data is revelant, and accurate.
Yes data is going to have variations due to rng and sample sizes. But his data set and sample size is massive compared to most I have seen around.
Unless you believe that zos has programmed rng drop rates on a per account level the drop rates are all the same.
Oh and a side note... if you really want fast returns on daily writs... grab a second or 3rd account. During sales you can get 8 character slots for less than eso plus. Even adding in summerset on top of that, it's more cost effective.
DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »wolfie1.0. wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »Daily writs on an account (20 characters) nets a profit of about 2 million gold per day.
90 days of doing writs and you can get every single attunable station in the game for your own personal guild hall seems extremely reasonable.
You already can earn your stations by doing your writs alone. I didn't buy any master writs to complete my entire collection of attunable stations (in fact, I sell nearly half of the master writs I get because they aren't worth it to do), and I can sell them regularly.
The stations have gone up by that factor, because the materials have gone up by that much as well. It's general inflation.
Yes, they cost 2.5x as much, but you can get 2.5x as much for harvesting raw materials, so the time spent is exactly the same.
If an entire guild can't get donations for the 3,000 writ vouchers that are needed for the new attunable stations every 6 months, that guild needs to do some outreach to their members, as that is a pathetically small number to get from a group of 50-500 players. I literally get that in less than a month by myself, a larger group should have zero issues.
Yeah I don't have the money to buy 10 extra character slots nor the time or patience to level up 20 toons to do crafting and get them all the skills. That is a TON of investment. 90 days of writs to get attunables seems extremely unreasonable to me. And I have no idea how you are getting 2 mil from 20 toons. If I am lucky I get 2-3 gold mats from 10.
Then you aren't doing your writs at max level. It's a 30% (25% for jewelry, but about a 20% chance of double drop, gives about the same 30%) drop chance per writ (BS/WW/Cloth/Ench/Jewelry), which means you should get an average of 1.5 per character per day.
Yes, it should be an investment to get every single attunable station for your own personal house. So either invest, or reward those that do invest.
I am doing them at level 10s and jewelery 5 (since they changed it to that). I get mostly 1-2 gold mats every day from 10 toons. This is consistent though months. Unless my account has some metadata I don't know about attached to it lowering drop chances or something crazy like that I don't think that those are the odds.
1 in 3.33 would be 30%
That's the drop rate. This is just in Update 40. 6+ years of data in the spreadsheet says the same thing.
While I can't help but to applaud your dedication in writing this stuff down, just because you get that doesn't mean everyone does.
These are statistically relevant sample sizes. I am extremely confident that these are the drop rates. (I teach mathematics, I know how to do statistical analysis of data sets)
Show me your data, not anecdotes, actual data. Nobody who has ever challenged it has shown any statistically relevant data... just "feelings".
So, sorry. I don't buy it.
I appreciate your insistence to look at solid data points, I really do. But I do not have the time or patience to write out this data because I am a gamer and not a scientist. Regardless I think you are making the fatal mistake of assuming that everyone has the same drop rate. Besides, just telling me that I actually AM making boatloads of cash when I am not just isn't an argument. Like what are you getting at, that I really do make boatloads of money and am lying? If I did then I wouldn't be on here complaining. I asked if you knew something that I didn't and it seems like you don't, no offense. Although I am interested now in what you used to chart this data because looking at it, it seems like you used some addon I don't know about. Can I get the name of it? Maybe I could prove it after all.
Natural rng varations aside. Tmbanks's data is revelant, and accurate.
Yes data is going to have variations due to rng and sample sizes. But his data set and sample size is massive compared to most I have seen around.
Unless you believe that zos has programmed rng drop rates on a per account level the drop rates are all the same.
Oh and a side note... if you really want fast returns on daily writs... grab a second or 3rd account. During sales you can get 8 character slots for less than eso plus. Even adding in summerset on top of that, it's more cost effective.
Oh so that's how you make infinite money. Simply spend a ton of money irl. Got it.
FlopsyPrince wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »wolfie1.0. wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »Daily writs on an account (20 characters) nets a profit of about 2 million gold per day.
90 days of doing writs and you can get every single attunable station in the game for your own personal guild hall seems extremely reasonable.
You already can earn your stations by doing your writs alone. I didn't buy any master writs to complete my entire collection of attunable stations (in fact, I sell nearly half of the master writs I get because they aren't worth it to do), and I can sell them regularly.
The stations have gone up by that factor, because the materials have gone up by that much as well. It's general inflation.
Yes, they cost 2.5x as much, but you can get 2.5x as much for harvesting raw materials, so the time spent is exactly the same.
If an entire guild can't get donations for the 3,000 writ vouchers that are needed for the new attunable stations every 6 months, that guild needs to do some outreach to their members, as that is a pathetically small number to get from a group of 50-500 players. I literally get that in less than a month by myself, a larger group should have zero issues.
Yeah I don't have the money to buy 10 extra character slots nor the time or patience to level up 20 toons to do crafting and get them all the skills. That is a TON of investment. 90 days of writs to get attunables seems extremely unreasonable to me. And I have no idea how you are getting 2 mil from 20 toons. If I am lucky I get 2-3 gold mats from 10.
Then you aren't doing your writs at max level. It's a 30% (25% for jewelry, but about a 20% chance of double drop, gives about the same 30%) drop chance per writ (BS/WW/Cloth/Ench/Jewelry), which means you should get an average of 1.5 per character per day.
Yes, it should be an investment to get every single attunable station for your own personal house. So either invest, or reward those that do invest.
I am doing them at level 10s and jewelery 5 (since they changed it to that). I get mostly 1-2 gold mats every day from 10 toons. This is consistent though months. Unless my account has some metadata I don't know about attached to it lowering drop chances or something crazy like that I don't think that those are the odds.
1 in 3.33 would be 30%
That's the drop rate. This is just in Update 40. 6+ years of data in the spreadsheet says the same thing.
While I can't help but to applaud your dedication in writing this stuff down, just because you get that doesn't mean everyone does.
These are statistically relevant sample sizes. I am extremely confident that these are the drop rates. (I teach mathematics, I know how to do statistical analysis of data sets)
Show me your data, not anecdotes, actual data. Nobody who has ever challenged it has shown any statistically relevant data... just "feelings".
So, sorry. I don't buy it.
I appreciate your insistence to look at solid data points, I really do. But I do not have the time or patience to write out this data because I am a gamer and not a scientist. Regardless I think you are making the fatal mistake of assuming that everyone has the same drop rate. Besides, just telling me that I actually AM making boatloads of cash when I am not just isn't an argument. Like what are you getting at, that I really do make boatloads of money and am lying? If I did then I wouldn't be on here complaining. I asked if you knew something that I didn't and it seems like you don't, no offense. Although I am interested now in what you used to chart this data because looking at it, it seems like you used some addon I don't know about. Can I get the name of it? Maybe I could prove it after all.
Natural rng varations aside. Tmbanks's data is revelant, and accurate.
Yes data is going to have variations due to rng and sample sizes. But his data set and sample size is massive compared to most I have seen around.
Unless you believe that zos has programmed rng drop rates on a per account level the drop rates are all the same.
Oh and a side note... if you really want fast returns on daily writs... grab a second or 3rd account. During sales you can get 8 character slots for less than eso plus. Even adding in summerset on top of that, it's more cost effective.
Oh so that's how you make infinite money. Simply spend a ton of money irl. Got it.
Selling Crowns is quicker is a quicker way to make gold!
The stats guy here has been opposing changes for a long time. I took a break here for a year and he is still arguing the same things. Yes "the stats prove it" but others don't find the same experience.
He is also far more dedicated at crafting than most of us. Some of us don't want the game to be a full second job. Doing writs on 18 characters, back a year ago when I was last playing strongly, was quite tedious even with the LazyWritCrafter addon.
The problem is not "can you make it if you make the game your job" but rather "what makes the game more fun". The latter gets lost for some.
(I have dipped my toe back in for a year of ESO+)
DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »wolfie1.0. wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »Daily writs on an account (20 characters) nets a profit of about 2 million gold per day.
90 days of doing writs and you can get every single attunable station in the game for your own personal guild hall seems extremely reasonable.
You already can earn your stations by doing your writs alone. I didn't buy any master writs to complete my entire collection of attunable stations (in fact, I sell nearly half of the master writs I get because they aren't worth it to do), and I can sell them regularly.
The stations have gone up by that factor, because the materials have gone up by that much as well. It's general inflation.
Yes, they cost 2.5x as much, but you can get 2.5x as much for harvesting raw materials, so the time spent is exactly the same.
If an entire guild can't get donations for the 3,000 writ vouchers that are needed for the new attunable stations every 6 months, that guild needs to do some outreach to their members, as that is a pathetically small number to get from a group of 50-500 players. I literally get that in less than a month by myself, a larger group should have zero issues.
Yeah I don't have the money to buy 10 extra character slots nor the time or patience to level up 20 toons to do crafting and get them all the skills. That is a TON of investment. 90 days of writs to get attunables seems extremely unreasonable to me. And I have no idea how you are getting 2 mil from 20 toons. If I am lucky I get 2-3 gold mats from 10.
Then you aren't doing your writs at max level. It's a 30% (25% for jewelry, but about a 20% chance of double drop, gives about the same 30%) drop chance per writ (BS/WW/Cloth/Ench/Jewelry), which means you should get an average of 1.5 per character per day.
Yes, it should be an investment to get every single attunable station for your own personal house. So either invest, or reward those that do invest.
I am doing them at level 10s and jewelery 5 (since they changed it to that). I get mostly 1-2 gold mats every day from 10 toons. This is consistent though months. Unless my account has some metadata I don't know about attached to it lowering drop chances or something crazy like that I don't think that those are the odds.
1 in 3.33 would be 30%
That's the drop rate. This is just in Update 40. 6+ years of data in the spreadsheet says the same thing.
While I can't help but to applaud your dedication in writing this stuff down, just because you get that doesn't mean everyone does.
These are statistically relevant sample sizes. I am extremely confident that these are the drop rates. (I teach mathematics, I know how to do statistical analysis of data sets)
Show me your data, not anecdotes, actual data. Nobody who has ever challenged it has shown any statistically relevant data... just "feelings".
So, sorry. I don't buy it.
I appreciate your insistence to look at solid data points, I really do. But I do not have the time or patience to write out this data because I am a gamer and not a scientist. Regardless I think you are making the fatal mistake of assuming that everyone has the same drop rate. Besides, just telling me that I actually AM making boatloads of cash when I am not just isn't an argument. Like what are you getting at, that I really do make boatloads of money and am lying? If I did then I wouldn't be on here complaining. I asked if you knew something that I didn't and it seems like you don't, no offense. Although I am interested now in what you used to chart this data because looking at it, it seems like you used some addon I don't know about. Can I get the name of it? Maybe I could prove it after all.
Natural rng varations aside. Tmbanks's data is revelant, and accurate.
Yes data is going to have variations due to rng and sample sizes. But his data set and sample size is massive compared to most I have seen around.
Unless you believe that zos has programmed rng drop rates on a per account level the drop rates are all the same.
Oh and a side note... if you really want fast returns on daily writs... grab a second or 3rd account. During sales you can get 8 character slots for less than eso plus. Even adding in summerset on top of that, it's more cost effective.
Oh so that's how you make infinite money. Simply spend a ton of money irl. Got it.
Selling Crowns is quicker is a quicker way to make gold!
The stats guy here has been opposing changes for a long time. I took a break here for a year and he is still arguing the same things. Yes "the stats prove it" but others don't find the same experience.
He is also far more dedicated at crafting than most of us. Some of us don't want the game to be a full second job. Doing writs on 18 characters, back a year ago when I was last playing strongly, was quite tedious even with the LazyWritCrafter addon.
The problem is not "can you make it if you make the game your job" but rather "what makes the game more fun". The latter gets lost for some.
(I have dipped my toe back in for a year of ESO+)
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Collecting all the stations for my own home as never been a goal of mine. Between my guilds and at least one addon that provide a guild hall with all the stations, no need to. I just donate some writs/gold to the guild banks
Collecting all the stations for my own home as never been a goal of mine. Between my guilds and at least one addon that provide a guild hall with all the stations, no need to. I just donate some writs/gold to the guild banks
Agreed.
Yet you have some here who feel entitled to it, and would be willing to decimate an entire market for their benefit.
DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »wolfie1.0. wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »Daily writs on an account (20 characters) nets a profit of about 2 million gold per day.
90 days of doing writs and you can get every single attunable station in the game for your own personal guild hall seems extremely reasonable.
You already can earn your stations by doing your writs alone. I didn't buy any master writs to complete my entire collection of attunable stations (in fact, I sell nearly half of the master writs I get because they aren't worth it to do), and I can sell them regularly.
The stations have gone up by that factor, because the materials have gone up by that much as well. It's general inflation.
Yes, they cost 2.5x as much, but you can get 2.5x as much for harvesting raw materials, so the time spent is exactly the same.
If an entire guild can't get donations for the 3,000 writ vouchers that are needed for the new attunable stations every 6 months, that guild needs to do some outreach to their members, as that is a pathetically small number to get from a group of 50-500 players. I literally get that in less than a month by myself, a larger group should have zero issues.
Yeah I don't have the money to buy 10 extra character slots nor the time or patience to level up 20 toons to do crafting and get them all the skills. That is a TON of investment. 90 days of writs to get attunables seems extremely unreasonable to me. And I have no idea how you are getting 2 mil from 20 toons. If I am lucky I get 2-3 gold mats from 10.
Then you aren't doing your writs at max level. It's a 30% (25% for jewelry, but about a 20% chance of double drop, gives about the same 30%) drop chance per writ (BS/WW/Cloth/Ench/Jewelry), which means you should get an average of 1.5 per character per day.
Yes, it should be an investment to get every single attunable station for your own personal house. So either invest, or reward those that do invest.
I am doing them at level 10s and jewelery 5 (since they changed it to that). I get mostly 1-2 gold mats every day from 10 toons. This is consistent though months. Unless my account has some metadata I don't know about attached to it lowering drop chances or something crazy like that I don't think that those are the odds.
1 in 3.33 would be 30%
That's the drop rate. This is just in Update 40. 6+ years of data in the spreadsheet says the same thing.
While I can't help but to applaud your dedication in writing this stuff down, just because you get that doesn't mean everyone does.
These are statistically relevant sample sizes. I am extremely confident that these are the drop rates. (I teach mathematics, I know how to do statistical analysis of data sets)
Show me your data, not anecdotes, actual data. Nobody who has ever challenged it has shown any statistically relevant data... just "feelings".
So, sorry. I don't buy it.
I appreciate your insistence to look at solid data points, I really do. But I do not have the time or patience to write out this data because I am a gamer and not a scientist. Regardless I think you are making the fatal mistake of assuming that everyone has the same drop rate. Besides, just telling me that I actually AM making boatloads of cash when I am not just isn't an argument. Like what are you getting at, that I really do make boatloads of money and am lying? If I did then I wouldn't be on here complaining. I asked if you knew something that I didn't and it seems like you don't, no offense. Although I am interested now in what you used to chart this data because looking at it, it seems like you used some addon I don't know about. Can I get the name of it? Maybe I could prove it after all.
Natural rng varations aside. Tmbanks's data is revelant, and accurate.
Yes data is going to have variations due to rng and sample sizes. But his data set and sample size is massive compared to most I have seen around.
Unless you believe that zos has programmed rng drop rates on a per account level the drop rates are all the same.
Oh and a side note... if you really want fast returns on daily writs... grab a second or 3rd account. During sales you can get 8 character slots for less than eso plus. Even adding in summerset on top of that, it's more cost effective.
Oh so that's how you make infinite money. Simply spend a ton of money irl. Got it.
Selling Crowns is quicker is a quicker way to make gold!
The stats guy here has been opposing changes for a long time. I took a break here for a year and he is still arguing the same things. Yes "the stats prove it" but others don't find the same experience.
He is also far more dedicated at crafting than most of us. Some of us don't want the game to be a full second job. Doing writs on 18 characters, back a year ago when I was last playing strongly, was quite tedious even with the LazyWritCrafter addon.
The problem is not "can you make it if you make the game your job" but rather "what makes the game more fun". The latter gets lost for some.
(I have dipped my toe back in for a year of ESO+)
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The market is currently exploding because of the grand master stations. What I am suggesting would return it to normal. They were selling for 250k before. They are selling for 650k a pop now and growing out of control. People can still buy individual attunables and sell them with my suggestion. Besides I don't see you suggesting anything else other than the status quo, which you admit you stand to gain from. Which is to my friend's point. I should be able to buy these attunables for myself and have a full set without making this game a full time job.
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Collecting all the stations for my own home as never been a goal of mine. Between my guilds and at least one addon that provide a guild hall with all the stations, no need to. I just donate some writs/gold to the guild banks
Agreed.
Yet you have some here who feel entitled to it, and would be willing to decimate an entire market for their benefit.
DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »wolfie1.0. wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »Daily writs on an account (20 characters) nets a profit of about 2 million gold per day.
90 days of doing writs and you can get every single attunable station in the game for your own personal guild hall seems extremely reasonable.
You already can earn your stations by doing your writs alone. I didn't buy any master writs to complete my entire collection of attunable stations (in fact, I sell nearly half of the master writs I get because they aren't worth it to do), and I can sell them regularly.
The stations have gone up by that factor, because the materials have gone up by that much as well. It's general inflation.
Yes, they cost 2.5x as much, but you can get 2.5x as much for harvesting raw materials, so the time spent is exactly the same.
If an entire guild can't get donations for the 3,000 writ vouchers that are needed for the new attunable stations every 6 months, that guild needs to do some outreach to their members, as that is a pathetically small number to get from a group of 50-500 players. I literally get that in less than a month by myself, a larger group should have zero issues.
Yeah I don't have the money to buy 10 extra character slots nor the time or patience to level up 20 toons to do crafting and get them all the skills. That is a TON of investment. 90 days of writs to get attunables seems extremely unreasonable to me. And I have no idea how you are getting 2 mil from 20 toons. If I am lucky I get 2-3 gold mats from 10.
Then you aren't doing your writs at max level. It's a 30% (25% for jewelry, but about a 20% chance of double drop, gives about the same 30%) drop chance per writ (BS/WW/Cloth/Ench/Jewelry), which means you should get an average of 1.5 per character per day.
Yes, it should be an investment to get every single attunable station for your own personal house. So either invest, or reward those that do invest.
I am doing them at level 10s and jewelery 5 (since they changed it to that). I get mostly 1-2 gold mats every day from 10 toons. This is consistent though months. Unless my account has some metadata I don't know about attached to it lowering drop chances or something crazy like that I don't think that those are the odds.
1 in 3.33 would be 30%
That's the drop rate. This is just in Update 40. 6+ years of data in the spreadsheet says the same thing.
While I can't help but to applaud your dedication in writing this stuff down, just because you get that doesn't mean everyone does.
These are statistically relevant sample sizes. I am extremely confident that these are the drop rates. (I teach mathematics, I know how to do statistical analysis of data sets)
Show me your data, not anecdotes, actual data. Nobody who has ever challenged it has shown any statistically relevant data... just "feelings".
So, sorry. I don't buy it.
I appreciate your insistence to look at solid data points, I really do. But I do not have the time or patience to write out this data because I am a gamer and not a scientist. Regardless I think you are making the fatal mistake of assuming that everyone has the same drop rate. Besides, just telling me that I actually AM making boatloads of cash when I am not just isn't an argument. Like what are you getting at, that I really do make boatloads of money and am lying? If I did then I wouldn't be on here complaining. I asked if you knew something that I didn't and it seems like you don't, no offense. Although I am interested now in what you used to chart this data because looking at it, it seems like you used some addon I don't know about. Can I get the name of it? Maybe I could prove it after all.
Natural rng varations aside. Tmbanks's data is revelant, and accurate.
Yes data is going to have variations due to rng and sample sizes. But his data set and sample size is massive compared to most I have seen around.
Unless you believe that zos has programmed rng drop rates on a per account level the drop rates are all the same.
Oh and a side note... if you really want fast returns on daily writs... grab a second or 3rd account. During sales you can get 8 character slots for less than eso plus. Even adding in summerset on top of that, it's more cost effective.
Oh so that's how you make infinite money. Simply spend a ton of money irl. Got it.
Selling Crowns is quicker is a quicker way to make gold!
The stats guy here has been opposing changes for a long time. I took a break here for a year and he is still arguing the same things. Yes "the stats prove it" but others don't find the same experience.
He is also far more dedicated at crafting than most of us. Some of us don't want the game to be a full second job. Doing writs on 18 characters, back a year ago when I was last playing strongly, was quite tedious even with the LazyWritCrafter addon.
The problem is not "can you make it if you make the game your job" but rather "what makes the game more fun". The latter gets lost for some.
(I have dipped my toe back in for a year of ESO+)
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The market is currently exploding because of the grand master stations. What I am suggesting would return it to normal. They were selling for 250k before. They are selling for 650k a pop now and growing out of control. People can still buy individual attunables and sell them with my suggestion. Besides I don't see you suggesting anything else other than the status quo, which you admit you stand to gain from. Which is to my friend's point. I should be able to buy these attunables for myself and have a full set without making this game a full time job.
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I listed 28 of them at 600k 2 days ago... none have sold. Something doesn't add up. All 3 of my trading guilds are in VERY high traffic areas.
The stations are more expensive because the materials are more expensive.
Your suggestion in your OP would make most of the master writs I get useless, as there would be nothing to sell of value with the vouchers that I get. I would make more gold destroying the master writs and just selling the unused materials. Gold Clothing, Hakeijo Enchanting, and Perfect Roe Provisioning are already not worth doing, this would add all durable ones to that list, leaving us with only alchemy and enchanting that are worth doing.Collecting all the stations for my own home as never been a goal of mine. Between my guilds and at least one addon that provide a guild hall with all the stations, no need to. I just donate some writs/gold to the guild banks
Agreed.
Yet you have some here who feel entitled to it, and would be willing to decimate an entire market for their benefit.
Could not agree more. This change would decimate the writ voucher market, removing a major source of income in the game for me, and removing viable gameplay options that I enjoy doing.
Collecting all the stations for my own home as never been a goal of mine. Between my guilds and at least one addon that provide a guild hall with all the stations, no need to. I just donate some writs/gold to the guild banks
Agreed.
Yet you have some here who feel entitled to it, and would be willing to decimate an entire market for their benefit.
DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »wolfie1.0. wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »Daily writs on an account (20 characters) nets a profit of about 2 million gold per day.
90 days of doing writs and you can get every single attunable station in the game for your own personal guild hall seems extremely reasonable.
You already can earn your stations by doing your writs alone. I didn't buy any master writs to complete my entire collection of attunable stations (in fact, I sell nearly half of the master writs I get because they aren't worth it to do), and I can sell them regularly.
The stations have gone up by that factor, because the materials have gone up by that much as well. It's general inflation.
Yes, they cost 2.5x as much, but you can get 2.5x as much for harvesting raw materials, so the time spent is exactly the same.
If an entire guild can't get donations for the 3,000 writ vouchers that are needed for the new attunable stations every 6 months, that guild needs to do some outreach to their members, as that is a pathetically small number to get from a group of 50-500 players. I literally get that in less than a month by myself, a larger group should have zero issues.
Yeah I don't have the money to buy 10 extra character slots nor the time or patience to level up 20 toons to do crafting and get them all the skills. That is a TON of investment. 90 days of writs to get attunables seems extremely unreasonable to me. And I have no idea how you are getting 2 mil from 20 toons. If I am lucky I get 2-3 gold mats from 10.
Then you aren't doing your writs at max level. It's a 30% (25% for jewelry, but about a 20% chance of double drop, gives about the same 30%) drop chance per writ (BS/WW/Cloth/Ench/Jewelry), which means you should get an average of 1.5 per character per day.
Yes, it should be an investment to get every single attunable station for your own personal house. So either invest, or reward those that do invest.
I am doing them at level 10s and jewelery 5 (since they changed it to that). I get mostly 1-2 gold mats every day from 10 toons. This is consistent though months. Unless my account has some metadata I don't know about attached to it lowering drop chances or something crazy like that I don't think that those are the odds.
1 in 3.33 would be 30%
That's the drop rate. This is just in Update 40. 6+ years of data in the spreadsheet says the same thing.
While I can't help but to applaud your dedication in writing this stuff down, just because you get that doesn't mean everyone does.
These are statistically relevant sample sizes. I am extremely confident that these are the drop rates. (I teach mathematics, I know how to do statistical analysis of data sets)
Show me your data, not anecdotes, actual data. Nobody who has ever challenged it has shown any statistically relevant data... just "feelings".
So, sorry. I don't buy it.
I appreciate your insistence to look at solid data points, I really do. But I do not have the time or patience to write out this data because I am a gamer and not a scientist. Regardless I think you are making the fatal mistake of assuming that everyone has the same drop rate. Besides, just telling me that I actually AM making boatloads of cash when I am not just isn't an argument. Like what are you getting at, that I really do make boatloads of money and am lying? If I did then I wouldn't be on here complaining. I asked if you knew something that I didn't and it seems like you don't, no offense. Although I am interested now in what you used to chart this data because looking at it, it seems like you used some addon I don't know about. Can I get the name of it? Maybe I could prove it after all.
Natural rng varations aside. Tmbanks's data is revelant, and accurate.
Yes data is going to have variations due to rng and sample sizes. But his data set and sample size is massive compared to most I have seen around.
Unless you believe that zos has programmed rng drop rates on a per account level the drop rates are all the same.
Oh and a side note... if you really want fast returns on daily writs... grab a second or 3rd account. During sales you can get 8 character slots for less than eso plus. Even adding in summerset on top of that, it's more cost effective.
Oh so that's how you make infinite money. Simply spend a ton of money irl. Got it.
Selling Crowns is quicker is a quicker way to make gold!
The stats guy here has been opposing changes for a long time. I took a break here for a year and he is still arguing the same things. Yes "the stats prove it" but others don't find the same experience.
He is also far more dedicated at crafting than most of us. Some of us don't want the game to be a full second job. Doing writs on 18 characters, back a year ago when I was last playing strongly, was quite tedious even with the LazyWritCrafter addon.
The problem is not "can you make it if you make the game your job" but rather "what makes the game more fun". The latter gets lost for some.
(I have dipped my toe back in for a year of ESO+)
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The market is currently exploding because of the grand master stations. What I am suggesting would return it to normal. They were selling for 250k before. They are selling for 650k a pop now and growing out of control. People can still buy individual attunables and sell them with my suggestion. Besides I don't see you suggesting anything else other than the status quo, which you admit you stand to gain from. Which is to my friend's point. I should be able to buy these attunables for myself and have a full set without making this game a full time job.
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I listed 28 of them at 600k 2 days ago... none have sold. Something doesn't add up. All 3 of my trading guilds are in VERY high traffic areas.
The stations are more expensive because the materials are more expensive.
Your suggestion in your OP would make most of the master writs I get useless, as there would be nothing to sell of value with the vouchers that I get. I would make more gold destroying the master writs and just selling the unused materials. Gold Clothing, Hakeijo Enchanting, and Perfect Roe Provisioning are already not worth doing, this would add all durable ones to that list, leaving us with only alchemy and enchanting that are worth doing.Collecting all the stations for my own home as never been a goal of mine. Between my guilds and at least one addon that provide a guild hall with all the stations, no need to. I just donate some writs/gold to the guild banks
Agreed.
Yet you have some here who feel entitled to it, and would be willing to decimate an entire market for their benefit.
Could not agree more. This change would decimate the writ voucher market, removing a major source of income in the game for me, and removing viable gameplay options that I enjoy doing.
I keep hearing that materials are more expensive but also a ton of people saying that the gold mat market was destroyed with the change. And it's not entitled to want to get sets for the game for your private home. What's entitled is selling for so much. I just want to be able to play the game in a way I like. It's not really possible to do that rn because of the skyrocket in price.
It used to be, but people decided to send the price to the moon exactly when crafting changed.