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What happened to Nightblades is unforgivable

Scaletho
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Extremely weak, convoluted and nerfed skills, lack of balance and completely outdated.

Nightblade was my preferred class, it was fun and pretty engaging to use. It was the thief class, the assassin. No more. Forgotten, neglected. This is so sad.
Edited by ZOS_Hadeostry on December 29, 2023 4:23AM
  • gariondavey
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    My big complaint with nb is the case time on the gap closer.
    Other than that they are pretty cracked
    PC NA @gariondavey, BG, IC & Cyrodiil Focused Since October 2017 Stamplar (main), Magplar, Magsorc, Stamsorc, StamDK, MagDK, Stamblade, Magblade, Magden, Stamden
  • TX12001rwb17_ESO
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    This is how I would balance Nightblades

    - Shadow Cloak would be a heal and function much like Dark Cloak does now but without the minor protection buff (As that is what Dark Cloak would add) Shadowy Disguise would grant you reduced stealth detection when slotted in addition to the heal effect, the only difference between the morphs is you would choose between Reduced Stealth Radius or Minor Protection, no going invisible in the middle of combat.

    - Cripple and it's Morphs would become instant and lose the projectile effect.

    - Magicka Flood would also grant an increase in Stamina

    - Veiled Strike and it's Morphs would be moved to the Assassination skill tree and trade positions with Blur (It makes no sense being in the Shadow Skill Tree when all the other conjured weapon abilities of the NB are in the Assassination skill tree and Blur makes no sense being in that tree either)
    Edited by TX12001rwb17_ESO on December 27, 2023 1:57AM
  • boi_anachronism_
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    Op is obviously talking about PvE. Its fantastic in pvp. Not so much for pve.
    Edited by boi_anachronism_ on December 27, 2023 5:42AM
  • SmellyUnlimited
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    Nightblade in PvE is extremely lackluster, although PvP they are a dominant bomber/ganker class (albeit more difficult to play than most).

    But PvE I’m with you. Stamblade in particular has suffered the most, with almost no innate survivability in combat and what strengths they do have are pretty easily outdone by other classes. I seem to recall Surprise Attack giving major breach a long time ago, but now it’s only minor (and it seems concealed weapon is the favored of the two with its many buffs). Killer’s blade execute past 50% isn’t actually effective until around 25-30%, making it on par with Impale but at a greater cost with distance from a boss. It would be amazing to be able to use Siphon abilities more as a stamina based class, or at least make them stronger even for Magicka without the necessity of using the Soul Reaver set. As of now the majority of the skill set is out of touch for stamina blades, with the exception of Leeching Strikes.

    DK is possibly the most balanced class in the game, having usable skills across the spectrum regardless of tank, DPS, and slightly lesser degree healer. Nightblades have almost no utility as a tank, are just Ulti-gen bots as healers, and run towards the bottom of the pack in terms of DPS.
    Edited by SmellyUnlimited on December 27, 2023 11:22AM
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  • Roztlin45
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    NB is not s tier in pve but not bad and one of the best in pvp. I have a mag blade with bastion as healer that can solo most everything in game. The class is just heavy micro managed and has a harder learning curve.
  • AlterBlika
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    - Veiled Strike and it's Morphs would be moved to the Assassination skill tree and trade positions with Blur (It makes no sense being in the Shadow Skill Tree when all the other conjured weapon abilities of the NB are in the Assassination skill tree and Blur makes no sense being in that tree either)

    Thx for the nerf, I really don't need the only reliable source of major resolve on my nb when having 0 heavy armor.
  • AlterBlika
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    But PvE I’m with you. Stamblade in particular has suffered the most, with almost no innate survivability in combat and what strengths they do have are pretty easily outdone by other classes.

    How comes nbs have bad survivability in pve? With all the defensive options they have I find it pretty good for soloing, my favourite even.
  • SmellyUnlimited
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    AlterBlika wrote: »
    But PvE I’m with you. Stamblade in particular has suffered the most, with almost no innate survivability in combat and what strengths they do have are pretty easily outdone by other classes.

    How comes nbs have bad survivability in pve? With all the defensive options they have I find it pretty good for soloing, my favourite even.

    I guess I meant more survivability outside of vigor. I’m just not seeing the defensive options for them, but I’m mostly speaking from the stamina PvE side. PvP they have healthy offering, mirage, refreshing path, and magicka based have Sap and Siphon Soul. Maybe add in some innate evasion, which would be in keeping with the ethos of the character.
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  • Araneae6537
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    Nightblade in PvE is extremely lackluster, although PvP they are a dominant bomber/ganker class (albeit more difficult to play than most).

    But PvE I’m with you. Stamblade in particular has suffered the most, with almost no innate survivability in combat and what strengths they do have are pretty easily outdone by other classes. I seem to recall Surprise Attack giving major breach a long time ago, but now it’s only minor (and it seems concealed weapon is the favored of the two with its many buffs). Killer’s blade execute past 50% isn’t actually effective until around 25-30%, making it on par with Impale but at a greater cost with distance from a boss. It would be amazing to be able to use Siphon abilities more as a stamina based class, or at least make them stronger even for Magicka without the necessity of using the Soul Reaver set. As of now the majority of the skill set is out of touch for stamina blades, with the exception of Leeching Strikes.

    DK is possibly the most balanced class in the game, having usable skills across the spectrum regardless of tank, DPS, and slightly lesser degree healer. Nightblades have almost no utility as a tank, are just Ulti-gen bots as healers, and run towards the bottom of the pack in terms of DPS.

    I think both DK and Arcanist are well balanced. Clearly many classes need a boost in dealing damage in PvE (NB) or both PvE and PvP (necro, non-pet-sorc, necro, maybe warden and templar, and definitely necro).

    Nightblades do well as tanks though. Not meta but, I’ve run a lot of vet dungeons and trials with NB tanks. I wouldn’t mind an additional boost there though.
    Edited by Araneae6537 on January 8, 2024 6:54AM
  • Veinblood1965
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    Idinuse wrote: »
    Scaletho wrote: »
    Extremely weak, convoluted and nerfed skills, lack of balance and completely outdated.

    Nightblade was my preferred class, it was fun and pretty engaging to use. It was the thief class, the assassin. No more. Forgotten, neglected. This is so sad.

    You're right, you should try pet less Mag Sorcerer instead.....muahahaha! :D

    Bah! Try Necro, now there is an easy to use balanced class.
  • Wolfshade
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    Check leaderbords in EA/IA. NB is there a Starfield away from dk. For the rest it is a pretty good class who can fill every role propper and solid.
  • umagon
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    For tankblades I would like for zos just to remove the standing still requirement on dark cloak and make it based off heavy armor count or something else. Its just annoying in pve, and doesn’t have the impact they were looking for in pvp; a separate stat for healing output would. Also, they need to improve bolstering darkness’ pve end game utility its been mostly useless for 6+ years now.
  • Four_Fingers
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    If I am in the mood for kicking tail it is always my NB brawler I go to.
  • SmellyUnlimited
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    If I am in the mood for kicking tail it is always my NB brawler I go to.

    What kinda build do you use on a brawler?
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  • Artim_X
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    Is this a PvE or PvP issue?

    Also what kimd of build and skills are you running?
    (AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanist
    Electric-Burn/Stun
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    • Damage Dealing Build.
    • Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Inferno/Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Rage of the Ursauk jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
    • Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Twilight Tormentor (Twilight Matriarch for solo roleplay variant of build), and Power Overload.
    • Ability-Bar 2: Crushing Shock/Storm Pulsar, Streak, Flame/Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Fire/Storms, Twilight Tormentor (Twilight Matriarch for solo roleplay variant of build) and Fiery/Thunderous Rage.
    Electric-Heal
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    • My Healer Build.
    • Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
    • Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
    • Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
    Electric-Ward
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    • My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
    • Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Mother Ciannait's (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Max Mag Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (arcane with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), CP restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and CP ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
    • Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
    • Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
    Electric-Vamp
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    • Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
    • Gear: 5 Torug's Pact for regular and NoCP build/Oblivion's Foe for dot build (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable. Max Mag Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Max Mag Enchants). Knight Slayer/Pariah jewelry/Plaguebreak for dot build (arcane with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant for regular and noCP build/absorb magicka enchant and Sharpened for dot build. Sharpened for dot build)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant regular and noCP build/absorb magicka enchant and Sharpened for dot build).
    • Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
    • Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Empowered Ward, and Shatter Soul.
    Dawnfang
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    • My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that only utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
    • Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (Infused/shock enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both arcane with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring.
    • Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward, and Crescent Sweep.
    Duskfang
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    • Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
    • Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on head and everything else Magicka Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Max Health Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant/Stealth-Draining Poison IX), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both arcane with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Arcane with Spell Damage Enchant).
    • Ability-Bar 1:Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver (Shatter Soul).
    PvE Starter Gear
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    • Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
    • Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
    Race
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    • High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
    Mundus Stones
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    • PvP: The Lover for penetration when playing a sorc or temp.
    • PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
    • PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
    Current Champion Points
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    • DPS Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Biting Aura, Thaumaturge, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
    • Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
    • Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
    • PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
    • PvE Temp: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Weapons Expert, Biting Aura, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
    • PvP Temp: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
    Favorite Foods and Potions
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    • Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
    • Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
    • Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
    • Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
  • Castagere
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    I guess it depends on what content you doing. Since I don't PVP or do group content, NB is one of my favorite classes.
  • Destai
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    I haven’t enjoyed NB damage since the spammable last changed. I can’t seem to find my flow with them now, at least as a damage dealer. I don’t mind healing on them, which just seems odd since they’re an assassin flavored class. It’s fun though, so is tanking.
    Edited by Destai on December 27, 2023 8:03PM
  • Lumsdenml
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    I main a stamblade and I don't find it lacking. Pvp it has nice burst damage, good for ganking the unsuspecting. I'm not even close to top tier dps in pve and I can still get 85-90k dps which will get you through 99.5% of all content.
    In game ID: @KnightOfTacoma
    Main: Black Knight of Tacoma - EP Lvl 50/CP 2160 Nightblade NA PC - Grand Master Crafter, adventurer and part time ganker. Rank 35 - Palatine Grade 1
    PVP Main:Knight of Tacoma - EP Lvl 50 Templar NA PC - Rank 29 - Brigadier Grade 1 - Ravenwatch veteran. Blood for the Pact!
    Guild: The Disenfranchised - ZZ!
    Obituary:
    RIP Priest of Tacoma - EP Lvl 22 Dragon Knight NA PC Kyne - Lost in the Garden of Shadows.
    RIP.Viscount of Tacoma - EP Lvl 18 Dragon Knight NA PC Kyne - Lost in the war.
    RIP. Squire of Tacoma - EP Lvl 50 Templar NA PC - Died of Knahaten Flu.
    RIP Reaper of Tacoma - EP Lvl 50 Templar NA PC - Died of Consumption.
    RIP Sovereign of Tacoma - EP Lvl 32 NightBlade NA PC Kyne - Lost at The Battle of Brindle, December 13, 2018.
    RIP Dauphin of Tacoma - EP Lvl 50 Templar NA PC Kyne - Overdosed on Skooma.
    RIP Wraith of Tacoma - EP Lvl 10 Dragon Knight NA PC - Eaten by a dragon.
    RIP Red Knight of Tacoma - EP Lvl 50 Templar NA PC - Died at the Battle of Chalmen, March 18th, 2021.
    RIP Maharajah of Tacoma - EP Lvl 50 Templar NA PC - Lost in a sandstorm.
    RIP Vampire Of Tacoma - EP Lvl 50 Sorcerer NA PC - Fell asleep in the sun. RIP
  • Araneae6537
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    What happened to Nightblades is unforgivable...
    What happened to Templars is unforgivable...
    What happened to Bosmer is unforgivable...
    What happened to PVP is unforgivable......

    There is an exhaustive list of really fun things that have been utterly destroyed in ESO...for reasons.

    Don’t forget sorcerer, reduced to pet-sitter (nothing wrong with a summoner playstyle but it shouldn’t be the ONE useful thing that sorc can do. :/

    And vampire. It’s pretty much a one trick Undeath passive pony — essential for PvP and pretty much garbage for PvE. And I’m still bitter about no bat swarm without also transforming into an alchemical monstrosity.

    I agree it sucks that Bosmer don’t have a stealth bonus but at least their passives are better than they first were after the change. That’s something at least.
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