Forum ignore needs some love

ClowdyAllDay

Recently some person is spamming the forum with their scammiest of scams, to sell me on their ideology that i find repulsive. As i find their behavior to be reprehensible i have placed them on the ignore list yet their posts they make still show for me and i can still see their name on the forums.

Last time i checked an ignore function should actually make them go away so i don't see any of their posts. Can someone please fix the ignore function so it actually provides the ignoring desired?

@ZOS_Icy surely you could advocate for an ignore function that actually works please. TY!

TaSheen

The ignore function in Vanilla (the forum backend) will grey-out posts, but not the ignored person's OPs. There's no way to hide those; you just have to "not see" them once you see who the OP is.

NoticeMeArkay

People you ignore are also still capable of quoting you and continuing their harassment.
Telling them off friendly but firmly earns you the moderators negative attention.

The ignore function of the forums does nothing but hide the ignored users posts behind a spoiler, just their posts, not their threads. It doesn't stop people from continuing to harass you either.

ClowdyAllDay

hence the need for some love for the ignore function. it should work at least as well as it does in game, blocking everything that person posts from being seen by the person who ignores them.

ClowdyAllDay

@Grizzbeorn i got a notification you replied but i cant see your post. what happened?

Permission Problem
You don't have permission to do that.

that's weird.

NoticeMeArkay

There's no post of @Grizzebeorn in here.

Vulkunne

ClowdyAllDay wrote: »

Recently some person is spamming the forum with their scammiest of scams, to sell me on their ideology that i find repulsive. As i find their behavior to be reprehensible i have placed them on the ignore list yet their posts they make still show for me and i can still see their name on the forums.

Last time i checked an ignore function should actually make them go away so i don't see any of their posts. Can someone please fix the ignore function so it actually provides the ignoring desired?

@ZOS_Icy surely you could advocate for an ignore function that actually works please. TY!

Why would you want to ignore someone on a forum? Isn't that why we're here to not only share our considerations as well as experience the same from others?

If someone is harassing you then yeah it goes without saying that's one thing however when I come here its not only for me to talk but to listen and not judge folks too harshly.

I mean that's really what diversity and inclusion is all about, not singling out the people we like and putting them on a pedestal for personal reasons. Not trying to make something out of it but I've seen too much of that crap these days.

NoticeMeArkay

Vulkunne wrote: »

ClowdyAllDay wrote: »

Recently some person is spamming the forum with their scammiest of scams, to sell me on their ideology that i find repulsive. As i find their behavior to be reprehensible i have placed them on the ignore list yet their posts they make still show for me and i can still see their name on the forums.

Last time i checked an ignore function should actually make them go away so i don't see any of their posts. Can someone please fix the ignore function so it actually provides the ignoring desired?

@ZOS_Icy surely you could advocate for an ignore function that actually works please. TY!

Why would you want to ignore someone on a forum? Isn't that why we're here to not only share our considerations as well as experience the same from others?

Sure, as long as others behave like decent human beings with the minimum amount of manners required in order to openly communicate and share whatever there is to share.

But believe it or not, those don't flesh out 100% on the internet. Not even on this forum.

Pelanora

Some things just leave too much of a bad taste

Warhawke_80

TaSheen wrote: »

The ignore function in Vanilla (the forum backend)

Oh wow...they still are using Vanilla aren't they?

It's not a good or bad thing...Vanilla is just one of the senior forum backend's out there....

TaSheen

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

The ignore function in Vanilla (the forum backend)

Oh wow...they still are using Vanilla aren't they?

It's not a good or bad thing...Vanilla is just one of the senior forum backend's out there....

Yes. I myself moved on from Vanilla years and years back now. I use phpBB now, very much more robust. And also free (maybe not for corporate use, but I only use it privately).

ClowdyAllDay

TaSheen wrote: »

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

The ignore function in Vanilla (the forum backend)

Oh wow...they still are using Vanilla aren't they?

It's not a good or bad thing...Vanilla is just one of the senior forum backend's out there....

Yes. I myself moved on from Vanilla years and years back now. I use phpBB now, very much more robust. And also free (maybe not for corporate use, but I only use it privately).

What do you moderate, if it's ok to ask?

TaSheen

It's a very small gaming forum for long time friends of mine, people I've known since Skyrim released. I and my co-admin moderate if needed, but since we're all long time friends, there's really no moderation as such.

When my website design and management business was in full swing, any client who wanted a forum either alongside Word Press or instead of Word Press got phpBB, and a fair grounding "here's how you do things on this platform". The last time I officially moderated was for the Word Press forum many years back now.

katanagirl1

I’m not sure if it’s the same people here on the forums that use ignore that claim they don’t need it in game, but it would be funny if it were.

I don’t have anyone on my ignore list here, despite having an extensive anti-spam block list for Cyrodiil.

I would actually consider using ignore here for a lot of the trolling and harassing of console players that has allowed to continue. That might be a tall order though.

Elsonso

katanagirl1 wrote: »

I would actually consider using ignore here for a lot of the trolling and harassing of console players that has allowed to continue. That might be a tall order though.

With only 12 spaces, an ignore here isn't to be taken lightly. Each one needs to be worthy of the distinction.

Vulkunne

NoticeMeArkay wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

ClowdyAllDay wrote: »

Recently some person is spamming the forum with their scammiest of scams, to sell me on their ideology that i find repulsive. As i find their behavior to be reprehensible i have placed them on the ignore list yet their posts they make still show for me and i can still see their name on the forums.

Last time i checked an ignore function should actually make them go away so i don't see any of their posts. Can someone please fix the ignore function so it actually provides the ignoring desired?

@ZOS_Icy surely you could advocate for an ignore function that actually works please. TY!

Why would you want to ignore someone on a forum? Isn't that why we're here to not only share our considerations as well as experience the same from others?

Sure, as long as others behave like decent human beings with the minimum amount of manners required in order to openly communicate and share whatever there is to share.

But believe it or not, those don't flesh out 100% on the internet. Not even on this forum.

All of which is pretty much standard policy for any forum and goes without saying. That said, everyone cannot come here and be right 100% of the time and still be wrong too. Then there would not be the need to have a forum because we'd all agree on everything which isn't healthy for a progressive agenda. Progressive in this sense, meaning we know where we want to be because we also realize that we're not there yet and don't have the means to get there on our own so we therefore must have collaboration.

In order to know what is right, we must understand what is wrong too and why. To that end, people need some space to be free to be wrong, not to stay that way but to learn from it. And with someone going around trying to 'press' everyone into a corner for not meeting their approval defeats the point of having a forum because they have placed themselves above everyone else in absentia of any real cross-examination of whether or not what they're saying is true or otherwise.

NoticeMeArkay

Vulkunne wrote: »

NoticeMeArkay wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

ClowdyAllDay wrote: »

Recently some person is spamming the forum with their scammiest of scams, to sell me on their ideology that i find repulsive. As i find their behavior to be reprehensible i have placed them on the ignore list yet their posts they make still show for me and i can still see their name on the forums.

Last time i checked an ignore function should actually make them go away so i don't see any of their posts. Can someone please fix the ignore function so it actually provides the ignoring desired?

@ZOS_Icy surely you could advocate for an ignore function that actually works please. TY!

Why would you want to ignore someone on a forum? Isn't that why we're here to not only share our considerations as well as experience the same from others?

Sure, as long as others behave like decent human beings with the minimum amount of manners required in order to openly communicate and share whatever there is to share.

But believe it or not, those don't flesh out 100% on the internet. Not even on this forum.

All of which is pretty much standard policy for any forum and goes without saying. That said, everyone cannot come here and be right 100% of the time and still be wrong too. Then there would not be the need to have a forum because we'd all agree on everything which isn't healthy for a progressive agenda. Progressive in this sense, meaning we know where we want to be because we also realize that we're not there yet and don't have the means to get there on our own so we therefore must have collaboration.

In order to know what is right, we must understand what is wrong too and why. To that end, people need some space to be free to be wrong, not to stay that way but to learn from it. And with someone going around trying to 'press' everyone into a corner for not meeting their approval defeats the point of having a forum because they have placed themselves above everyone else in absentia of any real cross-examination of whether or not what they're saying is true or otherwise.

Nobody is pressing anybody into a corner. If you'd for example happen to end on my ignore list, you'd still be free to post to your hearts desire openly on these forums. And out of the thousands of users seeing and probably reading your post on the front page, only one won't. Because They've decided that they don't wish to read whatever you bring to the table.

I don't know, saying that putting somebody on your ignore list "puts them into a corner and denies them their freedom of expression" feels like an exaggeration.

ClowdyAllDay

Vulkunne wrote: »

NoticeMeArkay wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

ClowdyAllDay wrote: »

Recently some person is spamming the forum with their scammiest of scams, to sell me on their ideology that i find repulsive. As i find their behavior to be reprehensible i have placed them on the ignore list yet their posts they make still show for me and i can still see their name on the forums.

Last time i checked an ignore function should actually make them go away so i don't see any of their posts. Can someone please fix the ignore function so it actually provides the ignoring desired?

@ZOS_Icy surely you could advocate for an ignore function that actually works please. TY!

Why would you want to ignore someone on a forum? Isn't that why we're here to not only share our considerations as well as experience the same from others?

Sure, as long as others behave like decent human beings with the minimum amount of manners required in order to openly communicate and share whatever there is to share.

But believe it or not, those don't flesh out 100% on the internet. Not even on this forum.

All of which is pretty much standard policy for any forum and goes without saying. That said, everyone cannot come here and be right 100% of the time and still be wrong too. Then there would not be the need to have a forum because we'd all agree on everything which isn't healthy for a progressive agenda. Progressive in this sense, meaning we know where we want to be because we also realize that we're not there yet and don't have the means to get there on our own so we therefore must have collaboration.

In order to know what is right, we must understand what is wrong too and why. To that end, people need some space to be free to be wrong, not to stay that way but to learn from it. And with someone going around trying to 'press' everyone into a corner for not meeting their approval defeats the point of having a forum because they have placed themselves above everyone else in absentia of any real cross-examination of whether or not what they're saying is true or otherwise.

A forum on the internet is not the compass of my morality and never can be. Not everyone has to see things the way i do either. The God I worship provides everyone the right to make their own free will choice, even on a forum such as this. However it's not productive to have a forum without a proper ignore function to keep things civil when necessary. Ig nore someone is the proper option to avoid getting banned. That people get banned as much as they do is the result more of the lack of a proper ignore function than anything anyone says in my opinion. I'm not about to compromise my beliefs because someone on some internet forum doesn't jive with them.

SmellyUnlimited

Sorry, I just really thought you’d be into my Khajit Furry Fanfiction.

NoticeMeArkay

SmellyUnlimited wrote: »

Sorry, I just really thought you’d be into my Khajit Furry Fanfiction.

We didn't mean for you to find out this way, Smelly.

Vulkunne

ClowdyAllDay wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

NoticeMeArkay wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

ClowdyAllDay wrote: »

Recently some person is spamming the forum with their scammiest of scams, to sell me on their ideology that i find repulsive. As i find their behavior to be reprehensible i have placed them on the ignore list yet their posts they make still show for me and i can still see their name on the forums.

Last time i checked an ignore function should actually make them go away so i don't see any of their posts. Can someone please fix the ignore function so it actually provides the ignoring desired?

@ZOS_Icy surely you could advocate for an ignore function that actually works please. TY!

Why would you want to ignore someone on a forum? Isn't that why we're here to not only share our considerations as well as experience the same from others?

Sure, as long as others behave like decent human beings with the minimum amount of manners required in order to openly communicate and share whatever there is to share.

But believe it or not, those don't flesh out 100% on the internet. Not even on this forum.

All of which is pretty much standard policy for any forum and goes without saying. That said, everyone cannot come here and be right 100% of the time and still be wrong too. Then there would not be the need to have a forum because we'd all agree on everything which isn't healthy for a progressive agenda. Progressive in this sense, meaning we know where we want to be because we also realize that we're not there yet and don't have the means to get there on our own so we therefore must have collaboration.

In order to know what is right, we must understand what is wrong too and why. To that end, people need some space to be free to be wrong, not to stay that way but to learn from it. And with someone going around trying to 'press' everyone into a corner for not meeting their approval defeats the point of having a forum because they have placed themselves above everyone else in absentia of any real cross-examination of whether or not what they're saying is true or otherwise.

A forum on the internet is not the compass of my morality and never can be. Not everyone has to see things the way i do either. The God I worship provides everyone the right to make their own free will choice, even on a forum such as this. However it's not productive to have a forum without a proper ignore function to keep things civil when necessary. Ig nore someone is the proper option to avoid getting banned. That people get banned as much as they do is the result more of the lack of a proper ignore function than anything anyone says in my opinion. I'm not about to compromise my beliefs because someone on some internet forum doesn't jive with them.

Please indicate where I said anything about people compromising their beliefs. In fact, many times on here I've said that no one has to do anything.

Collaboration is a form of willful compromise anyways. ergo... you don't have to be part of it. Collaboration is in many ways allowing our differences to become strength when we realize common goals or interest.

Vulkunne

NoticeMeArkay wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

NoticeMeArkay wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

ClowdyAllDay wrote: »

Recently some person is spamming the forum with their scammiest of scams, to sell me on their ideology that i find repulsive. As i find their behavior to be reprehensible i have placed them on the ignore list yet their posts they make still show for me and i can still see their name on the forums.

Last time i checked an ignore function should actually make them go away so i don't see any of their posts. Can someone please fix the ignore function so it actually provides the ignoring desired?

@ZOS_Icy surely you could advocate for an ignore function that actually works please. TY!

Why would you want to ignore someone on a forum? Isn't that why we're here to not only share our considerations as well as experience the same from others?

Sure, as long as others behave like decent human beings with the minimum amount of manners required in order to openly communicate and share whatever there is to share.

But believe it or not, those don't flesh out 100% on the internet. Not even on this forum.

All of which is pretty much standard policy for any forum and goes without saying. That said, everyone cannot come here and be right 100% of the time and still be wrong too. Then there would not be the need to have a forum because we'd all agree on everything which isn't healthy for a progressive agenda. Progressive in this sense, meaning we know where we want to be because we also realize that we're not there yet and don't have the means to get there on our own so we therefore must have collaboration.

In order to know what is right, we must understand what is wrong too and why. To that end, people need some space to be free to be wrong, not to stay that way but to learn from it. And with someone going around trying to 'press' everyone into a corner for not meeting their approval defeats the point of having a forum because they have placed themselves above everyone else in absentia of any real cross-examination of whether or not what they're saying is true or otherwise.

Nobody is pressing anybody into a corner. If you'd for example happen to end on my ignore list, you'd still be free to post to your hearts desire openly on these forums. And out of the thousands of users seeing and probably reading your post on the front page, only one won't. Because They've decided that they don't wish to read whatever you bring to the table.

I don't know, saying that putting somebody on your ignore list "puts them into a corner and denies them their freedom of expression" feels like an exaggeration.

Nobody? You seem to feel differently from one of your previous comments:

"But believe it or not, those don't flesh out 100% on the internet. Not even on this forum."

That kind of sounds like someone 'could' potentially esp on the internet as you say. Of which I would agree with you 100% on that.

NoticeMeArkay

Vulkunne wrote: »

NoticeMeArkay wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

NoticeMeArkay wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

ClowdyAllDay wrote: »

Recently some person is spamming the forum with their scammiest of scams, to sell me on their ideology that i find repulsive. As i find their behavior to be reprehensible i have placed them on the ignore list yet their posts they make still show for me and i can still see their name on the forums.

Last time i checked an ignore function should actually make them go away so i don't see any of their posts. Can someone please fix the ignore function so it actually provides the ignoring desired?

@ZOS_Icy surely you could advocate for an ignore function that actually works please. TY!

Why would you want to ignore someone on a forum? Isn't that why we're here to not only share our considerations as well as experience the same from others?

Sure, as long as others behave like decent human beings with the minimum amount of manners required in order to openly communicate and share whatever there is to share.

But believe it or not, those don't flesh out 100% on the internet. Not even on this forum.

All of which is pretty much standard policy for any forum and goes without saying. That said, everyone cannot come here and be right 100% of the time and still be wrong too. Then there would not be the need to have a forum because we'd all agree on everything which isn't healthy for a progressive agenda. Progressive in this sense, meaning we know where we want to be because we also realize that we're not there yet and don't have the means to get there on our own so we therefore must have collaboration.

In order to know what is right, we must understand what is wrong too and why. To that end, people need some space to be free to be wrong, not to stay that way but to learn from it. And with someone going around trying to 'press' everyone into a corner for not meeting their approval defeats the point of having a forum because they have placed themselves above everyone else in absentia of any real cross-examination of whether or not what they're saying is true or otherwise.

Nobody is pressing anybody into a corner. If you'd for example happen to end on my ignore list, you'd still be free to post to your hearts desire openly on these forums. And out of the thousands of users seeing and probably reading your post on the front page, only one won't. Because They've decided that they don't wish to read whatever you bring to the table.

I don't know, saying that putting somebody on your ignore list "puts them into a corner and denies them their freedom of expression" feels like an exaggeration.

Nobody? You seem to feel differently from one of your previous comments:

"But believe it or not, those don't flesh out 100% on the internet. Not even on this forum."

That kind of sounds like someone 'could' potentially esp on the internet as you say. Of which I would agree with you 100% on that.

I honestly don't get what your point is then.

I'm saying that a proper ignore function would be appreciated since the current one doesn't stop harassment.
I also said that ignoring the harasser doesn't put them into a corner. It stops them.
That ignoring somebody who for any other reason you ignore, doesn't put them into a corner either nor stops them from openly communicating with the rest of thousands of users.

What's your issue with my opinion on this ?

Edit: Also what does "esp" mean?

ClowdyAllDay

Well ok i mean i think i hear you. I dont think it's a matter of someone always being right so much as someone thinks they have arrived and choose to impose their will on everyone else. Someone else's will is fine for them but it will not suit me. Someone decides for me that someone is a miscreant and wants them banned basically and they pull no stop to that end because they believe the ends justifies the means BUT that's not what i believe. I might want to befriend that miscreant or even help them if i decide to do so. Someone walking around assuming the role of my conscience for me is not ok. Telling me i have no choice is just not gonna fly. Said person can not be reasoned with and i see no reason to force my will upon them because that would be equally wrong to me. The only solutions are a proper ignore function, banning me (since said other person it is forbidden to confront or overtly disagree with) or willfully leaving the forum on my own. I choose to have a proper ignore function.

TaSheen

Pretty sure you're not going to get it.... If it were possible, it would already be available. IF the forum manager wanted to implement it (and IF it were coded into the forum software - it's been years since I had anything to do with Vanilla backend, so I don't really know if that's available) then I feel it would already be an option.

As I said, phpBB is a far more robust option. But I have no idea why ZOS chooses not to use it.

ClowdyAllDay

Well if its not ok to ask for a forum feature, i'll not be around long enough for anyone to miss me while i'm gone...

Elsonso

TaSheen wrote: »

As I said, phpBB is a far more robust option. But I have no idea why ZOS chooses not to use it.

Isn't Vanilla a package deal? Vanilla provides the forum software, they host it, and they maintain it. All ZOS does is provide a certain level of customization and moderators?

TaSheen

ClowdyAllDay wrote: »

Well if its not ok to ask for a forum feature, i'll not be around long enough for anyone to miss me while i'm gone...

It's fine to ask for something. I've been around here for years (mostly lurking until a couple of years back), so I've seen that "asks" aren't generally provided. The thing is, I don't know if what you're asking is available in the forum software, because Vanilla is.... um.... not the best out there, and I haven't used it for over a decade. For good and sufficient reasons.

Elsonso wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

As I said, phpBB is a far more robust option. But I have no idea why ZOS chooses not to use it.

Isn't Vanilla a package deal? Vanilla provides the forum software, they host it, and they maintain it. All ZOS does is provide a certain level of customization and moderators?

I don't know. I used Vanilla as a private entity many years back. I have no experience of it in a corporate environment. If that's what this is....

katanagirl1

Elsonso wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

I would actually consider using ignore here for a lot of the trolling and harassing of console players that has allowed to continue. That might be a tall order though.

With only 12 spaces, an ignore here isn't to be taken lightly. Each one needs to be worthy of the distinction.

I would probably need more than that, lol. Oh well.

Blackbird_V

TaSheen wrote: »

ClowdyAllDay wrote: »

Well if its not ok to ask for a forum feature, i'll not be around long enough for anyone to miss me while i'm gone...

It's fine to ask for something. I've been around here for years (mostly lurking until a couple of years back), so I've seen that "asks" aren't generally provided. The thing is, I don't know if what you're asking is available in the forum software, because Vanilla is.... um.... not the best out there, and I haven't used it for over a decade. For good and sufficient reasons.

Elsonso wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

As I said, phpBB is a far more robust option. But I have no idea why ZOS chooses not to use it.

Isn't Vanilla a package deal? Vanilla provides the forum software, they host it, and they maintain it. All ZOS does is provide a certain level of customization and moderators?

I don't know. I used Vanilla as a private entity many years back. I have no experience of it in a corporate environment. If that's what this is....

Regardless, the "ignore" feature we have now is the only one. I've searched the Addons for Vanilla Forums and there's unfortunately no other Ignore/Block feature. I believe IPB forums has an application that does truly 'block' a user - hiding everything so it's not even viewable. Shame Vanilla doesn't (seemingly) have something like that.

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Vulkunne

ClowdyAllDay wrote: »

Well ok i mean i think i hear you. I dont think it's a matter of someone always being right so much as someone thinks they have arrived and choose to impose their will on everyone else. Someone else's will is fine for them but it will not suit me. Someone decides for me that someone is a miscreant and wants them banned basically and they pull no stop to that end because they believe the ends justifies the means BUT that's not what i believe. I might want to befriend that miscreant or even help them if i decide to do so. Someone walking around assuming the role of my conscience for me is not ok. Telling me i have no choice is just not gonna fly. Said person can not be reasoned with and i see no reason to force my will upon them because that would be equally wrong to me. The only solutions are a proper ignore function, banning me (since said other person it is forbidden to confront or overtly disagree with) or willfully leaving the forum on my own. I choose to have a proper ignore function.

Thank you for your reply.

Let me just say, that I think we can actually agree on many of the points you just made.

However allow me to 'enhance' my arguments by providing a short story that may help provide a little additional illumination about how important successful collaboration can make everyone's lives better.

So today, I went to lunch and there's this we'll call it a 'club' not too far away and I enjoy eating there. Its really a wonderful place. And as you can imagine, like I've said previously in another conversation, anything good brings people and when you have too many people trying to take advantage of a good thing it has a way of turning into a bad thing.

For example, I was in my car waiting in line and there was (1) car already in front of me and (1) car pulled up behind. Both were also waiting on their food and we were all in one lane (the drivethru). Ok so this lane has a right lane alright. My food came out early and they delivered it to my car. I went to leave however there wasn't quite as much room between me and the car in front and the guy behind me was almost right on my bumper. I did my best to back-up and slowly angle my way out of the lane. During this exercise -neither car moved- at all. I blew my horn, shouted a little, had my lights on and no one would give me any room to leave the lane.

Neither would move -I got served before they did- so therefore screw me right? True they did not have to move but what if the roles were switched up and one of them was in the middle... surely they would have demanded I make way. Would it have hurt them to move just a bit? Just a foot, just make a little room for someone else so that things could move forward.

No. They didn't care. And that's the difference that we all need to think about as far as who we are. We can sit there and we don't have to do a thing or we can be decent to one another and give just a little room to someone else so they can live. So in summation, I share your feelings concerning people, however, at the same time, as you may already be aware, (I'm not saying that you're not) but we cannot be like them and expect to also be different from them. Everything has a price and if I have to give a little to help solve the problem, I'd rather do that and be part of the solution rather than part of the problem.