I hate that deck. If an opponent picks it I promise I will lean into every toxic gameplay element. I don’t even care if I lose, I will drag the game out making every turn go to the timer. I will focus entirely on decreasing your prestige, making you discard two or more cards per turn, and everything else I can do to make you regret picking that patron.
I hate that deck. If an opponent picks it I promise I will lean into every toxic gameplay element. I don’t even care if I lose, I will drag the game out making every turn go to the timer. I will focus entirely on decreasing your prestige, making you discard two or more cards per turn, and everything else I can do to make you regret picking that patron.
Lol, imagine literally (and proudly admitting to) griefing people for enjoying something differently than you do.
spartaxoxo wrote: »I hate that deck. If an opponent picks it I promise I will lean into every toxic gameplay element. I don’t even care if I lose, I will drag the game out making every turn go to the timer. I will focus entirely on decreasing your prestige, making you discard two or more cards per turn, and everything else I can do to make you regret picking that patron.
Lol, imagine literally (and proudly admitting to) griefing people for enjoying something differently than you do.
I mean those things are the point of the deck. If someone enjoys dishing that out but not taking it so much they feel griefed, they should probably pick a different deck.
spartaxoxo wrote: »I hate that deck. If an opponent picks it I promise I will lean into every toxic gameplay element. I don’t even care if I lose, I will drag the game out making every turn go to the timer. I will focus entirely on decreasing your prestige, making you discard two or more cards per turn, and everything else I can do to make you regret picking that patron.
Lol, imagine literally (and proudly admitting to) griefing people for enjoying something differently than you do.
I mean those things are the point of the deck. If someone enjoys dishing that out but not taking it so much they feel griefed, they should probably pick a different deck.
No, the point of the deck is to have punitive options similar to Almalexia and be played as intended. This player is saying that they will intentionally waste time and push the time to the time limit to purposefully grief someone, prioritize extending the game by buying the wrong cards to intentionally extend the game, use bewilderment to extend the game instead of gaining a competitive edge, and not care if they win as long as they make sure that someone else is miserable.
That's not the point of the deck. That's being a terrible person for the sake of making other people miserable. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you misunderstood them, because griefing behavior like that is indefensible.
spartaxoxo wrote: »I took it to mean that they would lean into the gameplay of the deck because they feel the deck is inherently toxic, moreso than being serious about griefing. Spamming bewilderment is actually a very annoyingly effective strategy, so you don't actually have to throw or grief to make the opponent miserable.
If they meant they'd like wait until the timer ran out and stuff like that, then yeah that's just griefing. But making someone lose prestige and spamming the patron are unfortunately legitimate strategies.
I don’t even care if I lose, I will drag the game out making every turn go to the timer
i think Rahjin is nice and i would like him to stay
I hate that deck. If an opponent picks it I promise I will lean into every toxic gameplay element. I don’t even care if I lose, I will drag the game out making every turn go to the timer. I will focus entirely on decreasing your prestige, making you discard two or more cards per turn, and everything else I can do to make you regret picking that patron.
tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »Hi! I devote my entire ToT strategy to preventing drawn-out Rajhin games.
I get that it's fun for people, but I have a life to live and don't want to spend more than 12-15 minutes on a single game. I've even gotten messages from some Rajhin players kindly complaining that the game was too quick lol. Thank you, enjoy your defeat coffer.
So how do you beat Rajhin? How do you reduce the feline felons to feeling fallen? Patron selection and preventative power cards.
Pick Punchy Patrons
You want patrons that generate fast win conditions and power—for both players. Pick Crow, Hunding, Pelin, Red Eagle, Mora (just make sure there are at least 2 of these 5, and 3 patrons that have a 1 gold starting card—not 1 power— so that the early economy doesn't get stuck.). Whatever works for you—I consider Hlaalu and Druid King as "flex" picks here as long as there are other win conditions. Careful picking Psijic or Almalexia, as they can help you avoid Rajhin cards, but you still need power and combo cards in the tavern.
Why? Because Rajhin takes a while to get prestige-lowering combos going, and benefits from its agents staying alive. By picking these patrons that have power cards and midgame combos, both players get power faster and agents die faster.
You also give your opponent BETTER options than Rajhin. Faced with a Rajhin card and a card like Rally or Plunder, I bet they're gonna take Rally or Plunder. And if they don't, you get it, so it disadvantages Rajhin playstyles either way. You can even use Mora to put non-Rajhin cards in their deck. Set yourself up to play a crazy corvid crowdown or a frantic Frandar frenzy, not a miserable meowing mudwrestle.
The goal of picking these patrons isn't to BEAT the other player, but to make the game quicker, whoever wins, and to avoid a Rajhin stall. In my experience, the typical Rajhin picker hopes to actually pick Rajhin cards, instead of adapting to a faster-paced tavern.
Preventative Power Purchases
Lastly, if you see the opponent pick up a Rajhin agent, pick 1-2 good power cards ASAP, if not ahead of time. That agent will probably be on the board in 1-5 turns, and you don't want it to set up prestige combos. Before that, you don't need to sacrifice too much economy for power.
Have to remove purple deck too then since Rahjin is the only counter for it
Arnoldthehawk wrote: »Actually here is some reason why ZOS should remove or rework Rahjin:
- Its gameplay loop is slow on itself and doesn't really work well with others, when someone use it, it guarantees that they slow the game down for their enemy but for themselves as well.
- With each spending on the patron the game is filled with a trash card that slows down the game since not interacting with anything. It isn't fun, it is just poor trolling.
Arnoldthehawk wrote: »Actually here is some reason why ZOS should remove or rework Rahjin:
- Its gameplay loop is slow on itself and doesn't really work well with others, when someone use it, it guarantees that they slow the game down for their enemy but for themselves as well.
- With each spending on the patron the game is filled with a trash card that slows down the game since not interacting with anything. It isn't fun, it is just poor trolling.
Funny. I absolutely disagree.
Almalexia, Druid and Psijic are way slower. Should they remove those three decks too?
And I find Rahjin the most interesting and entertaining deck. Also, there are ways to clean the trash.
The trolling part I don't understand, can you explain?
Seraphayel wrote: »Arnoldthehawk wrote: »Actually here is some reason why ZOS should remove or rework Rahjin:
- Its gameplay loop is slow on itself and doesn't really work well with others, when someone use it, it guarantees that they slow the game down for their enemy but for themselves as well.
- With each spending on the patron the game is filled with a trash card that slows down the game since not interacting with anything. It isn't fun, it is just poor trolling.
Funny. I absolutely disagree.
Almalexia, Druid and Psijic are way slower. Should they remove those three decks too?
And I find Rahjin the most interesting and entertaining deck. Also, there are ways to clean the trash.
The trolling part I don't understand, can you explain?
Druid really can’t be slower than Rahjin simply by how many cards give Power. Plus you can amass Coins very quickly. And even some of the agents give Prestige - really nothing makes Druid slower than Rahjin. Almalexia and Psijic maybe, Druid definitely not.