a lesser known warriortype.. Bards.

Sparxlost

Bards and scholars are of the same ilk in my honest opinion.. where a scholar might prefer mastery of the arcane through sheer willpower, a bard might simply prefer to cut corners to achieve crude, but clever, similarity in power. Bards would likely be masters of languages and may even be partial to dragonspeak passed on through the trickle of info from the first acolytes of the dragons, though not nearly as skilled at weilding it as one who is "dragonborn" would be. Where these warriors truly shine is in the tools of their trade? The (regular) voice (lol) is an instrument that lends spirit to illusion spells if not in practice then in nature.. Bards would cast fear or frenzy with a roar and courage/recovery with a hearty guffaw (laugh).. Bards are artists and so it goes without saying that they would likely be in possession of powerful scrolls that they craft for their own use (through skills)..

If you take these three simple and yet practical tools you would acquire a recipe for a fairly diverse class of soldier.. one bard will choose to wield a magical or martial weapon on the battlefield, whereas others will take up their instruments to boost morale at home.. i do believe that a bardic background would be my preference as a warrior. What do YOU think of the bards of Tamriel and if they would make for a good class of warrior??

NotaDaedraWorshipper

Sparxlost wrote: »

if they would make for a good class of warrior??

No. Bards belongs in inns.

IZZEFlameLash

No, bards are generally cowardly liars, not a warrior or a scholar.

Cronopoly

I miss my speed 5 Bard in that other "Old" RVR game. Was instrumental in PVP groups as a ground-speed, Crowd Control and resource generating of Stamina and health in combat for groups. Loved it. Miss it,

But that game is dead and ESO still thrives. so here we are.

Braffin

Bards are excellent warriors... in the Forgotten Realms.

I don't wanna see them on Tamriel's battlefields tho.

OtarTheMad

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Classes#Bard

Not an insane idea in Tamriel.

LunaFlora

if we ever get any musical abilities i hope to Y'ffre that it is a singular skill-line so every character can use the skills.

Chilly-McFreeze

OtarTheMad wrote: »

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Classes#Bard

Not an insane idea in Tamriel.

As I understand it, ES Bards aren't singing in combat to de-/buff but are more lore seeking, tavern entertaining, talk yourself out of troubel adventurers.

Haywire30

A 'classical' bard-type character is still very possible in Elder Scrolls.

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Thaumavocalism

I personally wouldn't say no to seeing this in a new class some time.

Jaimeh

There was a bard type of NPC in the quests for one of the public dungeons in the High Isle chapter, she used musical spells iirc to fight. I wouldn't like a class personally that used music, chanting, incantations or singing in their class skills for sensory reasons (I would need a mute toggle for sure), so not on board with the idea, but I can understand the appeal.

LunaFlora

Jaimeh wrote: »

There was a bard type of NPC in the quests for one of the public dungeons in the High Isle chapter, she used musical spells iirc to fight. I wouldn't like a class personally that used music, chanting, incantations or singing in their class skills for sensory reasons (I would need a mute toggle for sure), so not on board with the idea, but I can understand the appeal.

there aren't any characters in the High isle public dungeons that do that.

there's https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Meryline_Barthel from the Brokerock Mine quest who's a thaumavocalist, but she doesn't fight.
she just sang to calm the Hadolids down with resonance crystals there.

Kendaric

Bards were always a playable class/archtype in TES games from TES 1 to TES 4. It would definitely be nice to have them in ESO, at least they'd fit the game better than necromancers and arcanists.

Jaimeh

LunaFlora wrote: »

Jaimeh wrote: »

There was a bard type of NPC in the quests for one of the public dungeons in the High Isle chapter, she used musical spells iirc to fight. I wouldn't like a class personally that used music, chanting, incantations or singing in their class skills for sensory reasons (I would need a mute toggle for sure), so not on board with the idea, but I can understand the appeal.

there aren't any characters in the High isle public dungeons that do that.

there's https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Meryline_Barthel from the Brokerock Mine quest who's a thaumavocalist, but she doesn't fight.
she just sang to calm the Hadolids down with resonance crystals there.

Yeah, that's the one, I didn't remember correctly. I thought her skills were bard-like though, or at least as much as the game has gone to that direction so far.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

Kendaric wrote: »

Bards were always a playable class/archtype in TES games from TES 1 to TES 4. It would definitely be nice to have them in ESO, at least they'd fit the game better than necromancers and arcanists.

Bards in TES, which has already been said by Chilly-McFreeze, are not the Forgotten Realms/DnD version of bards. They don't sing and play music in combat. They are a thief archtype group of skills, who focuses on speechcraft and subterfuge. As their TES:4 description puts them: "Intelligent and personable, they prefer to accomplish tasks with their words first, and sword second."

We can already be TES version of bards. Both the musician, by just hanging out in inns and playing an instrument, and the "class" which is just pick nightblade, then get persuasion and intimidation passives and you're as close as you can get.

If anything they could add an "Illusion" skilline but that should be available for everyone. No more classes, more skillines.

And necromancers is a big staple of Elder Scrolls. Sure fits much better than some DnD bard.

notyuu

No and NO

in TES lore bards are people that play music and sing songs, not magic buff givers and not-quite-warriors that save the realm and have too many children....

Kendaric

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Kendaric wrote: »

Bards were always a playable class/archtype in TES games from TES 1 to TES 4. It would definitely be nice to have them in ESO, at least they'd fit the game better than necromancers and arcanists.

Bards in TES, which has already been said by Chilly-McFreeze, are not the Forgotten Realms/DnD version of bards. They don't sing and play music in combat. They are a thief archtype group of skills, who focuses on speechcraft and subterfuge. As their TES:4 description puts them: "Intelligent and personable, they prefer to accomplish tasks with their words first, and sword second."

We can already be TES version of bards. Both the musician, by just hanging out in inns and playing an instrument, and the "class" which is just pick nightblade, then get persuasion and intimidation passives and you're as close as you can get.

If anything they could add an "Illusion" skilline but that should be available for everyone. No more classes, more skillines.

And necromancers is a big staple of Elder Scrolls. Sure fits much better than some DnD bard.

I'm quite aware of what/how bards are in TES. The last I want in ESO is a D&D-style bard, even though I love the class in PnP D&D.

It would help if ESO had a real music system like LotRO has. The intrument emotes are extremely limited in usefulness and some are outright annoying like trumpet solo or the new bagpipe one.

As for necromancers... sure, they're a staple in TES, but not as a player class usually. I mainly hate their implementation in ESO, it just doesn't feel right for me (but that applies to almost all of ESO's classes).

I'm with you on the add more skill lines instead of classes, but apparently the devs prefer classes over skill lines for some reason. If I had my way, we'd have skill lines for the schools of magic, several more weapon skill lines, etc.

LunaFlora

Kendaric wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Kendaric wrote: »

Bards were always a playable class/archtype in TES games from TES 1 to TES 4. It would definitely be nice to have them in ESO, at least they'd fit the game better than necromancers and arcanists.

Bards in TES, which has already been said by Chilly-McFreeze, are not the Forgotten Realms/DnD version of bards. They don't sing and play music in combat. They are a thief archtype group of skills, who focuses on speechcraft and subterfuge. As their TES:4 description puts them: "Intelligent and personable, they prefer to accomplish tasks with their words first, and sword second."

We can already be TES version of bards. Both the musician, by just hanging out in inns and playing an instrument, and the "class" which is just pick nightblade, then get persuasion and intimidation passives and you're as close as you can get.

If anything they could add an "Illusion" skilline but that should be available for everyone. No more classes, more skillines.

And necromancers is a big staple of Elder Scrolls. Sure fits much better than some DnD bard.

I'm quite aware of what/how bards are in TES. The last I want in ESO is a D&D-style bard, even though I love the class in PnP D&D.

It would help if ESO had a real music system like LotRO has. The intrument emotes are extremely limited in usefulness and some are outright annoying like trumpet solo or the new bagpipe one.

As for necromancers... sure, they're a staple in TES, but not as a player class usually. I mainly hate their implementation in ESO, it just doesn't feel right for me (but that applies to almost all of ESO's classes).

I'm with you on the add more skill lines instead of classes, but apparently the devs prefer classes over skill lines for some reason. If I had my way, we'd have skill lines for the schools of magic, several more weapon skill lines, etc.

we didn't really have player classes in elder scrolls until elder scrolls online.
in tes 1-4 they were just a few proficiencies that were useful in the beginning of the game.
no unique skills.

Kendaric

LunaFlora wrote: »

Kendaric wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Kendaric wrote: »

Bards were always a playable class/archtype in TES games from TES 1 to TES 4. It would definitely be nice to have them in ESO, at least they'd fit the game better than necromancers and arcanists.

Bards in TES, which has already been said by Chilly-McFreeze, are not the Forgotten Realms/DnD version of bards. They don't sing and play music in combat. They are a thief archtype group of skills, who focuses on speechcraft and subterfuge. As their TES:4 description puts them: "Intelligent and personable, they prefer to accomplish tasks with their words first, and sword second."

We can already be TES version of bards. Both the musician, by just hanging out in inns and playing an instrument, and the "class" which is just pick nightblade, then get persuasion and intimidation passives and you're as close as you can get.

If anything they could add an "Illusion" skilline but that should be available for everyone. No more classes, more skillines.

And necromancers is a big staple of Elder Scrolls. Sure fits much better than some DnD bard.

I'm quite aware of what/how bards are in TES. The last I want in ESO is a D&D-style bard, even though I love the class in PnP D&D.

It would help if ESO had a real music system like LotRO has. The intrument emotes are extremely limited in usefulness and some are outright annoying like trumpet solo or the new bagpipe one.

As for necromancers... sure, they're a staple in TES, but not as a player class usually. I mainly hate their implementation in ESO, it just doesn't feel right for me (but that applies to almost all of ESO's classes).

I'm with you on the add more skill lines instead of classes, but apparently the devs prefer classes over skill lines for some reason. If I had my way, we'd have skill lines for the schools of magic, several more weapon skill lines, etc.

we didn't really have player classes in elder scrolls until elder scrolls online.
in tes 1-4 they were just a few proficiencies that were useful in the beginning of the game.
no unique skills.

TES 1: Arena had fixed classes if I recall correctly, they changed that with TES 2: Daggerfall where "classes" were just archtypes providing you with a pre-defined collection major and minor skills (and it introduced the custom "class"). TES 3: Morrowind and TES 4: Oblivion used the Daggerfall system with modifications (mostly fewer skills).
TES 5: Skyrim abolished the previous system in favor of a completely classless system.

I'm pretty sure TES: Battlespire did as well though it may have had Arena's fixed classes. TES Redguard had a defined protagonist.

I'm not sure where I'd place ESO in that regard... most of the characters I play use none of their class skills. Instead they rely on weapon skills, guild skills or world skills.

LunaFlora

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Arena:Classes

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Classes

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Battlespire:Classes

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Classes

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Classes

here so you don't have to recall from memory

Elder Scrolls Online has classes each with 3 unique skill lines unlike the old games which never had that.
and my characters all use their class skills, active and passive.
of course you don't have to use your active class skills, but i doubt you didn't unlock your passive class skills.

and for the post,
Bard was never a musical class in Elder Scrolls.
if it were their artwork would have an instrument.

Kendaric

LunaFlora wrote: »

of course you don't have to use your active class skills, but i doubt you didn't unlock your passive class skills.

Actually... yes, on some characters (mainly on my dragon knights) I didn't even unlock the class passives as they are not useful to me. But yes, on most characters I have at least some of the class passives.

OtarTheMad

I mean honestly Jorunn the Skald-King is a bard so some can do sing and music but also be great warriors.

xXCJsniperXx7

Hey you could make a bleed build with this class.

TaSheen

xXCJsniperXx7 wrote: »

Hey you could make a bleed build with this class.

Possible. I'm not really expecting to see a "bard class" though - no matter the Bard College thing in Solitude....

NotaDaedraWorshipper

OtarTheMad wrote: »

I mean honestly Jorunn the Skald-King is a bard so some can do sing and music but also be great warriors.

Yes, one can be a musician and a warrior, but one doesn't go and use singing and lute playing as a weapon in combat. Unless of course you smash your lute over someone's head.

OtarTheMad

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

I mean honestly Jorunn the Skald-King is a bard so some can do sing and music but also be great warriors.

Yes, one can be a musician and a warrior, but one doesn't go and use singing and lute playing as a weapon in combat. Unless of course you smash your lute over someone's head.

Could you imagine showing up to the Molag Bol fight with a lute and just starting singing? Lmao. Dude is gonna get annihilated. Yeah, have situational awareness

xXCJsniperXx7

TaSheen wrote: »

xXCJsniperXx7 wrote: »

Hey you could make a bleed build with this class.

Possible. I'm not really expecting to see a "bard class" though - no matter the Bard College thing in Solitude....

R/woosh