Do we think the crown store will return to a somewhat normal state?

Cameron991

I finally was able to get ahold of a seller for one item after a month and the rate is so much higher than it used to be that It’s pretty much pointless to try and buy crowns from sellers unless you are very rich do we think it will be changed back to the old ways or somewhat similar? If not I’m sure it’s the end of the crown store, or at least for me unfortunately

LunaFlora

players decide what amount of gold they want as compensation for gifting you an item so that can always change.

Aislinna

What do you mean by the "old ways"? Seems to me the crown store works the same as it always did, but what changed is the rules for who can "gift" crowns and therefore there are less sellers. Additionally, the fraudulent crown sellers who were obtaining crowns without paying legitimate prices for them are reduced, hopefully to zero. If it's hard to find crown sellers now, that tells me maybe the fraud was alot greater than anybody suspected.

Ph1p

Not all crown store transactions are gifts bought with gold, so it‘s hardly the end of the whole store. But gold is worth less and less, so crown sellers naturally demand higher exchange rates. I‘m not a big fan of it either, but they aren‘t doing anything wrong per se.

The silver lining is, higher prices also apply to you selling items. At least via trading, it‘s also easier to make a lot of gold than it used to be.

Cameron991

Aislinna wrote: »

What do you mean by the "old ways"? Seems to me the crown store works the same as it always did, but what changed is the rules for who can "gift" crowns and therefore there are less sellers. Additionally, the fraudulent crown sellers who were obtaining crowns without paying legitimate prices for them are reduced, hopefully to zero. If it's hard to find crown sellers now, that tells me maybe the fraud was alot greater than anybody suspected.

That may be plausible but “old ways” is much more different then now given more people are restricted from selling crowns even if they did nothing wrong so theirs is quite a difference. I have never sold a crown in my life and I can’t even sell them. I’m okay with that given I don’t sell I only buy but my point is when I say old ways I mean if there will be a way they allow everyone to sell again hole still blocking out the fraudulent

Ingenon

Crown Store gifting was re-enabled on October 11. At that time, ZOS said "As a reminder, we do not officially support gold-for-crowns transactions and our Customer Support team will not aid in facilitating them."

Since it has been almost a month since October 11, I would think the exchange rate of gold-for-crowns would have settled out. Anyone who is eligible to gift crowns should be approved by now. Since I play on PS/NA and my ESO Plus is through Sony, my Billing History on ESO site does not show my purchases, but I still got "Allow Crown Store Gifting" after requesting it and waiting multiple days.

tmbrinks

Cameron991 wrote: »

I finally was able to get ahold of a seller for one item after a month and the rate is so much higher than it used to be that It’s pretty much pointless to try and buy crowns from sellers unless you are very rich do we think it will be changed back to the old ways or somewhat similar? If not I’m sure it’s the end of the crown store, or at least for me unfortunately

No.

Crowns cost real money, and gold in-game is lines of code with zero real value.

I was utterly shocked at the "conversion rate" when it was 200:1. 2000:1 maybe for somebody who has a lot of disposable income. And with how little you can get in-game now for that gold, 10,000:1 or higher at a minimum.

I live in real life better than most, but I don't have that kind of disposable income that I can freely spend like that.

In my opinion, asking a question like this is selfish.

Trier_Sero

tmbrinks wrote: »

No.

Crowns cost real money, and gold in-game is lines of code with zero real value.

I was utterly shocked at the "conversion rate" when it was 200:1. 2000:1 maybe for somebody who has a lot of disposable income. And with how little you can get in-game now for that gold, 10,000:1 or higher at a minimum.

I live in real life better than most, but I don't have that kind of disposable income that I can freely spend like that.

In my opinion, asking a question like this is selfish.

Making that gold takes a lot of time and effort. I have to spend at least 1,5 hour each day doing crafting dailies on 20 characters and additional 2-3 hours on weekend to gather all the surveys. Plus I had to invest lots of time and effort, and even some real money to get all 20 characters leveled to be able to do all crafting dailies.

So no. It's not selfish at all. Current exchange rates are outrageously high. There is no point in buying crowns with those rates.

Araneae6537

I expect that the conversation rates will remain high, not only because fraudulent sources have hopefully been taken off the market, but also because newer players will not be able to sell Crowns (I know there was always a waiting period). That is the one point that I sold Crowns, when I was starting out and didn’t yet have the knowledge to make gold much gold and there were many things I wanted. Then too, as others have pointed out, there has been significant inflation in game, and significant irl inflation may also mean many have less disposable income.

Ingenon

Trier_Sero wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

No.

Crowns cost real money, and gold in-game is lines of code with zero real value.

I was utterly shocked at the "conversion rate" when it was 200:1. 2000:1 maybe for somebody who has a lot of disposable income. And with how little you can get in-game now for that gold, 10,000:1 or higher at a minimum.

I live in real life better than most, but I don't have that kind of disposable income that I can freely spend like that.

In my opinion, asking a question like this is selfish.

Making that gold takes a lot of time and effort. I have to spend at least 1,5 hour each day doing crafting dailies on 20 characters and additional 2-3 hours on weekend to gather all the surveys. Plus I had to invest lots of time and effort, and even some real money to get all 20 characters leveled to be able to do all crafting dailies.

So no. It's not selfish at all. Current exchange rates are outrageously high. There is no point in buying crowns with those rates.

And then there is the elephant in the room. On PS/NA, there is someone advertising a web site where you can buy gold with a credit card in zone chat pretty much every day. They get reported, that account name disappears from zone chat, but a different account name is on the next day advertising the same web site.

Necrotech_Master

Trier_Sero wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

No.

Crowns cost real money, and gold in-game is lines of code with zero real value.

I was utterly shocked at the "conversion rate" when it was 200:1. 2000:1 maybe for somebody who has a lot of disposable income. And with how little you can get in-game now for that gold, 10,000:1 or higher at a minimum.

I live in real life better than most, but I don't have that kind of disposable income that I can freely spend like that.

In my opinion, asking a question like this is selfish.

Making that gold takes a lot of time and effort. I have to spend at least 1,5 hour each day doing crafting dailies on 20 characters and additional 2-3 hours on weekend to gather all the surveys. Plus I had to invest lots of time and effort, and even some real money to get all 20 characters leveled to be able to do all crafting dailies.

So no. It's not selfish at all. Current exchange rates are outrageously high. There is no point in buying crowns with those rates.

i make on avg 500k+ a week just selling on guild stores, i hate doing daily crafting writs and never do them lol

Araneae6537

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Trier_Sero wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

No.

Crowns cost real money, and gold in-game is lines of code with zero real value.

I was utterly shocked at the "conversion rate" when it was 200:1. 2000:1 maybe for somebody who has a lot of disposable income. And with how little you can get in-game now for that gold, 10,000:1 or higher at a minimum.

I live in real life better than most, but I don't have that kind of disposable income that I can freely spend like that.

In my opinion, asking a question like this is selfish.

Making that gold takes a lot of time and effort. I have to spend at least 1,5 hour each day doing crafting dailies on 20 characters and additional 2-3 hours on weekend to gather all the surveys. Plus I had to invest lots of time and effort, and even some real money to get all 20 characters leveled to be able to do all crafting dailies.

So no. It's not selfish at all. Current exchange rates are outrageously high. There is no point in buying crowns with those rates.

i make on avg 500k+ a week just selling on guild stores, i hate doing daily crafting writs and never do them lol

But the point is, I believe, that surely you must spend time doing something to make money — if not crafting or gathering, then flipping, or doing content to collect motifs, gear, or other things to sell. Maybe it is an activity you would do anyway — that is the best way IMO.

Necrotech_Master

Araneae6537 wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Trier_Sero wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

No.

Crowns cost real money, and gold in-game is lines of code with zero real value.

I was utterly shocked at the "conversion rate" when it was 200:1. 2000:1 maybe for somebody who has a lot of disposable income. And with how little you can get in-game now for that gold, 10,000:1 or higher at a minimum.

I live in real life better than most, but I don't have that kind of disposable income that I can freely spend like that.

In my opinion, asking a question like this is selfish.

Making that gold takes a lot of time and effort. I have to spend at least 1,5 hour each day doing crafting dailies on 20 characters and additional 2-3 hours on weekend to gather all the surveys. Plus I had to invest lots of time and effort, and even some real money to get all 20 characters leveled to be able to do all crafting dailies.

So no. It's not selfish at all. Current exchange rates are outrageously high. There is no point in buying crowns with those rates.

i make on avg 500k+ a week just selling on guild stores, i hate doing daily crafting writs and never do them lol

But the point is, I believe, that surely you must spend time doing something to make money — if not crafting or gathering, then flipping, or doing content to collect motifs, gear, or other things to sell. Maybe it is an activity you would do anyway — that is the best way IMO.

i dont really enjoy flipping either lol

i do frequently get drops i dont need, like if i was running a dungeon or trial, many of those motifs i dont need anymore so i usually sell them

ive also gotten lucky with rare drops i dont need (i did one of those portal events in IC and got a full aldmeri motif book which i sold for like 5 mil)

i also sell a lot of mats, because i have way more than i ever need, getting most of which from just deconning while im running content

but yeah overall i just run whatever i feel like doing that day (which lately has been endless archive nonstop lol)

tmbrinks

Trier_Sero wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

No.

Crowns cost real money, and gold in-game is lines of code with zero real value.

I was utterly shocked at the "conversion rate" when it was 200:1. 2000:1 maybe for somebody who has a lot of disposable income. And with how little you can get in-game now for that gold, 10,000:1 or higher at a minimum.

I live in real life better than most, but I don't have that kind of disposable income that I can freely spend like that.

In my opinion, asking a question like this is selfish.

Making that gold takes a lot of time and effort. I have to spend at least 1,5 hour each day doing crafting dailies on 20 characters and additional 2-3 hours on weekend to gather all the surveys. Plus I had to invest lots of time and effort, and even some real money to get all 20 characters leveled to be able to do all crafting dailies.

So no. It's not selfish at all. Current exchange rates are outrageously high. There is no point in buying crowns with those rates.

Then buy them with your own real money.

ZOS_Hadeostry

Greetings,

After further review we have decided to move this thread to a category we think is more appropriate for this topic, as it's about the crown store.

Thank you for your understanding

pecheckler

Can someone clearly explain step by step how my PS5 account can become eligible to send gifts from crown store?

I started playing again last week. I bought 10,000 crowns and want to send gifts. I’m quite upset after discovering it was disabled.

The forum post says to login to my ESO account billing page but I’m on PlayStation, hence no Bethesda account to login to.

I’m at a loss for how to proceed.

Amottica

LunaFlora wrote: »

players decide what amount of gold they want as compensation for gifting you an item so that can always change.

This. The in-game market for crowns is a supply-and-demand relationship. Also, whatever was happening that led to shutting down the "gifting" may have increased the supply of crown store items being sold for gold which would have lowered the value of such trading.

In other words, players may be experiencing a new normal that is more realistic. If this is the case more players will likely be willing to sell crowns which will lower the price some but not to what the game saw early this year. d

Speculation of course but it is logical that the old trading exploit lowered the value of crowns.

fizl101

pecheckler wrote: »

Can someone clearly explain step by step how my PS5 account can become eligible to send gifts from crown store?

I started playing again last week. I bought 10,000 crowns and want to send gifts. I’m quite upset after discovering it was disabled.

The forum post says to login to my ESO account billing page but I’m on PlayStation, hence no Bethesda account to login to.

I’m at a loss for how to proceed.

I'm on ps, you still log into your account on the elder scrolls support page and raise a ticket. It was a veeeeery long time ago that i first did it, so i cant remember if i just use my ps login details or i created an account and linked my ps account

Jaimeh

The rate right now is very high because we've had a long time without gifting, and the demand escalated. Usually the exchange rate drops a little after there's been a crown sale, because there's a higher influx of crowns in the game.

tomofhyrule

pecheckler wrote: »

Can someone clearly explain step by step how my PS5 account can become eligible to send gifts from crown store?

I started playing again last week. I bought 10,000 crowns and want to send gifts. I’m quite upset after discovering it was disabled.

The forum post says to login to my ESO account billing page but I’m on PlayStation, hence no Bethesda account to login to.

I’m at a loss for how to proceed.

Here are the instructions:

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

As a reminder, if you do not have access to Crown Store gifting after today's maintenance, and wish for a review of your account, please visit https://help.elderscrollsonline.com and submit a Customer Support ticket. Please choose the Billing / Purchase / Code category then Platform > I have a question about a sale / offer > I want to send gift items from this account.

DarthCuddlefluff

tmbrinks wrote: »

Cameron991 wrote: »

I finally was able to get ahold of a seller for one item after a month and the rate is so much higher than it used to be that It’s pretty much pointless to try and buy crowns from sellers unless you are very rich do we think it will be changed back to the old ways or somewhat similar? If not I’m sure it’s the end of the crown store, or at least for me unfortunately

No.

Crowns cost real money, and gold in-game is lines of code with zero real value.

I was utterly shocked at the "conversion rate" when it was 200:1. 2000:1 maybe for somebody who has a lot of disposable income. And with how little you can get in-game now for that gold, 10,000:1 or higher at a minimum.

I live in real life better than most, but I don't have that kind of disposable income that I can freely spend like that.

In my opinion, asking a question like this is selfish.

Cool if you don't have disposable income then don't sell crowns. I think that paying for than about 800:1 is ridiculous. Take it from a person who farms all the time to make all of their gold. Farming in this game will always have diminishing returns for furnishing plans. You just get less of them the more of them you have gotten of a specific type. Those are the big money. The other money in farming was mostly mats and those have (thankfully) gone down in price. Also everyone and their grandmother is farming for mats to sell and plenty are just trying to get some to use because they cannot afford to buy mats. Every market devalues over time. All of this put together with ever-increasing crown prices would literally just lead to a whale economic class and everyone else being poor and in crap gear unless they had the disposable income to sell crowns. Lower crown prices are good for everyone.

Sakiri

average on PC NA right now is about 2000 to 2200. I see people asking for a lower rate and know they're going to get fewer bites because most folks will not sell that low.

Ardaghion

I just started playing again after 18 months off and decided to do a fresh start. My wife hasn't played in many years but still has nearly 85k crowns. While she can login and mail me some stuff to give me a boost, she can't do crown gifting. I guess that's due to not being logged in for so long. I guess we can see if putting in a ticket would work but ZOS is pretty vague, understandably, about the reasons gifting is disabled.

noblecron

It's certainly becoming harder for those who don't have endless gold funds to buy crown store stuff. It also doesn't help that there are fewer sellers now than before gifting was disabled. Covid also didn't help in that regard because of job loss so folk have less income. Yes I know it's not as bad but some folk still don't have the same income they once did.

I'd love to see an implementation of a gold-to-crown rate. That might help things. even if it's 1k to 2k per crown.

freespirit

On PC-EU I am seeing prices for crowns still rising in Zone Chat.

Before gifting was disabled the price was generally below 2000:1 but above 1500:1.

Over the past few weeks it has been slowly climbing, anyone asking for rates under 2000:1 seems to get pretty much laughed at, recent days I've seen buyers willing to pay 3000:1 which tbh shocked me!

Maybe a crown sale would even out the prices, I never sell my crowns but have on occasion brought some furnishing packs from a friend.

Unfortunately our well known dodgy seller is also back and appears bolder than ever!! I am seeing the adverts multiple times per day, rather than just the once in the evening..... he/she/they must be raking it in to get so bold!! ☹

Twohothardware

It's definitely a whole lot more difficult to find Crown sellers now after the changes they made to gifting.

Hopefully the next big crown sale will produce some new sellers.

Amottica

DarthCuddlefluff wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Cameron991 wrote: »

I finally was able to get ahold of a seller for one item after a month and the rate is so much higher than it used to be that It’s pretty much pointless to try and buy crowns from sellers unless you are very rich do we think it will be changed back to the old ways or somewhat similar? If not I’m sure it’s the end of the crown store, or at least for me unfortunately

No.

Crowns cost real money, and gold in-game is lines of code with zero real value.

I was utterly shocked at the "conversion rate" when it was 200:1. 2000:1 maybe for somebody who has a lot of disposable income. And with how little you can get in-game now for that gold, 10,000:1 or higher at a minimum.

I live in real life better than most, but I don't have that kind of disposable income that I can freely spend like that.

In my opinion, asking a question like this is selfish.

Cool if you don't have disposable income then don't sell crowns. I think that paying for than about 800:1 is ridiculous.

Take it from a person who farms all the time to make all of their gold. Farming in this game will always have diminishing returns for furnishing plans. You just get less of them the more of them you have gotten of a specific type. Those are the big money. The other money in farming was mostly mats and those have (thankfully) gone down in price. Also everyone and their grandmother is farming for mats to sell and plenty are just trying to get some to use because they cannot afford to buy mats. Every market devalues over time. All of this put together with ever-increasing crown prices would literally just lead to a whale economic class and everyone else being poor and in crap gear unless they had the disposable income to sell crowns. Lower crown prices are good for everyone.

The same can be said if one does not have disposable in-game gold then do not buy crowns for gold.

People who choose to sell crowns have every right to choose what price they are willing to sell them for just as those who are buying crowns have every right to choose how much they are willing to pay. For each, if they find someone willing to agree to their price they will have a sale. Otherwise, each gets to hold onto their gold/crowns.

It is fair.