Is it time for a CP level squish?

TaSheen

No

GuardianStriker wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

Yeah, I see your point there. For me, it's just perfect, because I'm OLD, and I just don't have any need to chase ANYTHING any more.

I don't know if there's an MMO out there you'd be happier with. I really don't. I only know 3 - WoW, RIFT, and ESO. Others here might have different viewpoints, other recommendations for games to try.

And I hope the mods don't get their knickers in a twist over any of this....

With the constant worry of people abusing reports on any forum just over something they disagree with, besides just ESO forums? Without a shadow of a doubt, I know people are reporting me to them, just to shut me up. Not to debate.

So I highly doubt they won't. But we'll see.

Well. I'm a pretty hard nosed person - I'm old, I'm very much set in my ways, and yes I can be flexible, but a lot of times I just fly off the handle. Believe me, I can list chapter and verse on every bad point I have....

But I could see that I'd totally misunderstood this entire post. If I can, surely others can.

GuardianStriker

TaSheen wrote: »

GuardianStriker wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

Yeah, I see your point there. For me, it's just perfect, because I'm OLD, and I just don't have any need to chase ANYTHING any more.

I don't know if there's an MMO out there you'd be happier with. I really don't. I only know 3 - WoW, RIFT, and ESO. Others here might have different viewpoints, other recommendations for games to try.

And I hope the mods don't get their knickers in a twist over any of this....

With the constant worry of people abusing reports on any forum just over something they disagree with, besides just ESO forums? Without a shadow of a doubt, I know people are reporting me to them, just to shut me up. Not to debate.

So I highly doubt they won't. But we'll see.

Well. I'm a pretty hard nosed person - I'm old, I'm very much set in my ways, and yes I can be flexible, but a lot of times I just fly off the handle. Believe me, I can list chapter and verse on every bad point I have....

But I could see that I'd totally misunderstood this entire post. If I can, surely others can.

It's only human. But many can't relate, though I can. I'm one year away from 30. Even I misunderstood my own post and needed one important question to trigger a literal neuron in my brain. Yes, as lame as it sounds, I unironically had a neuron activation. I can just about sense the cringe in everyone's eyes as I followed a meme, literally.

TaSheen

No

We are all just memes in someone's mind I think. So not to worry. I do hope you can find some way to love ESO and TES the way I do, but if not, well - no two of us are alike (not even identical twins!), and if we can just come to some accomodation with each others' differences, that's the important thing.

Tannus15

No

GuardianStriker wrote: »

Nebs wrote: »

Well max level for getting 4 stars slotted is only 320? 360? Somewhere around there, and gear maxes out at 160.

I like that I can continue enjoying the satisfaction of gaining levels and accumulating xp without feeling like I have to grind to reach the level of power that other people have access to.

Instead, those wildly high levels of 3600 just grant flexibility. Frankly, I absolutely love the way ESO's endgame functions. It provides the continual satisfaction of gaining progress without denying you power other people have.

There's other ways of feeling the continual satisfaction of gaining progress though, such as completing the achievements. Which I'm sure the handful of CP 3600s are trying to do right now if they haven't achieved all of them. There's more to this game than just levels, if you observe, rather than look.

ok, here is your first reply to the first comment.

emphasis mine. why add that? that's condescending. you're implying that you have a superior point of view and understanding of the game over someone who gets satisfaction out of gaining CP.

If only they would take the time to really *observe* the game instead of just *looking* at it they too would come to the same inevitable conclusion you have.

GuardianStriker wrote: »

A bit of an example of what I'm talking about. Take Boundless Vitality from the Warfare sign. Each CP point increases it by 1 stage, and gives 28 HP as a result. At maximum, which is 50 stages, the total comes up to 1,400 HP, which is pretty measly. So why not lower the maximum to 10 instead, and make each stage give 140 HP? Much less time wasted from your life grinding for CPs, with the same amount of benefit.

so according to your OP you just want to need less CP to hit the arbitrary number needed for all passives and 4 slotted. You're not looking to otherwise change the system. The long and short answer to that is "get more CP and you won't have a problem".
there are XP potions, XP scrolls, double XP events, but your answer to this is "no, lower the number required because I don't want to".

Then when people say "no, just gain some XP" they lack vision or something.

Just so we're absolutely clear, I don't want you to think i'm not reading or comprehending or something, you want to use analyst , developer and tester time and resources to change the values required for CP nodes so that you can be where you would otherwise be in a month or so.
You're not asking for any other improvement to the system.
This will have no impact on gear or progression, it'll just give you effectively 1400cp instead of your current 800cp.

Am I missing something?

GuardianStriker

Tannus15 wrote: »

GuardianStriker wrote: »

Nebs wrote: »

Well max level for getting 4 stars slotted is only 320? 360? Somewhere around there, and gear maxes out at 160.

I like that I can continue enjoying the satisfaction of gaining levels and accumulating xp without feeling like I have to grind to reach the level of power that other people have access to.

Instead, those wildly high levels of 3600 just grant flexibility. Frankly, I absolutely love the way ESO's endgame functions. It provides the continual satisfaction of gaining progress without denying you power other people have.

There's other ways of feeling the continual satisfaction of gaining progress though, such as completing the achievements. Which I'm sure the handful of CP 3600s are trying to do right now if they haven't achieved all of them. There's more to this game than just levels, if you observe, rather than look.

ok, here is your first reply to the first comment.

emphasis mine. why add that? that's condescending. you're implying that you have a superior point of view and understanding of the game over someone who gets satisfaction out of gaining CP.

If only they would take the time to really *observe* the game instead of just *looking* at it they too would come to the same inevitable conclusion you have.

GuardianStriker wrote: »

A bit of an example of what I'm talking about. Take Boundless Vitality from the Warfare sign. Each CP point increases it by 1 stage, and gives 28 HP as a result. At maximum, which is 50 stages, the total comes up to 1,400 HP, which is pretty measly. So why not lower the maximum to 10 instead, and make each stage give 140 HP? Much less time wasted from your life grinding for CPs, with the same amount of benefit.

so according to your OP you just want to need less CP to hit the arbitrary number needed for all passives and 4 slotted. You're not looking to otherwise change the system. The long and short answer to that is "get more CP and you won't have a problem".
there are XP potions, XP scrolls, double XP events, but your answer to this is "no, lower the number required because I don't want to".

Then when people say "no, just gain some XP" they lack vision or something.

Just so we're absolutely clear, I don't want you to think i'm not reading or comprehending or something, you want to use analyst , developer and tester time and resources to change the values required for CP nodes so that you can be where you would otherwise be in a month or so.
You're not asking for any other improvement to the system.
This will have no impact on gear or progression, it'll just give you effectively 1400cp instead of your current 800cp.

Am I missing something?

Yes, you clearly are. In fact, you missed all of it. Telling you to observe, rather than look is advice you should take heed. Giving advice, is not condescending, and to label it as such displays arrogance on your part. Also, no it would not make people come to the same conclusion as I have, because I know not everyone wants to tackle other things like achievements. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. The real problem is, in your POV, I'm being condescending by giving other options. Others won't think that. So you either cool it, or just don't comment. Simple as that. No need to get instigative.

No, far from it. In fact, I'm CP 800 and I have enough to slot 12 stars according to my character's build, as well as have a few passives myself. Also just saying "get more CP and you won't have a problem" is just as useless of advice, because no duh. That's always going to be the answer to that problem. Makes about as much such as slapping a band-aid on a gunshot wound. The problems with the CP system are still there. Not to mention the XP potions, items and scrolls take up space which honestly I think they shouldn't. When people say "no just gain more XP", that's them being committed to put in the work, that in the grand scheme of things, shouldn't really be that way and could be made either simpler, or tweaked in a way the grind is made sensible as others already pointed out with their suggestions to the CP system, which I would imagine you also just glossed over in favor of falsely calling me out for being condescending. Also I have no idea what you're on about when you said that I'd be given 1400 CP outright compared to my 800. I'm not asking or demanding for any level increase, and nowhere in my post made notion of that. So where you got that from, is a mystery to me.

I'm sorry to say, but I do think you're not comprehending or reading anything. As I've shown you proof of in my reply with your constant jumps to absolutes and false accusations. You want to stick to the fact that I'm being condescending still? That's fine. Believe what you want to believe. Won't stop you. Just remember that I didn't offend you in no way, whatsoever. Have a good night.

Tannus15

No

@GuardianStriker What am I missing?

You want it to cost less CP to get the benefits that currently exist.

Scale it so that 800 cp will give you the same benefit as what you get currently in the game with 1400 cp. I wasn't saying you would get free cp, I was saying you would have the equivalent of more CP. As in, the same benefits.

You do realise that being "committed to put in the work" is literally just playing the game right? You don't have to grind anything. You can just play the game and literally everything apart from decorating your house gives you XP.

It's not "slapping a band-aid on a gunshot wound" it's slapping a band-aid on a papercut. it's the appropriate response for the problem. Just play the game, have fun and gain xp. I don't know why that's controversial to you.

The responses you give ARE condescending, and I'm not the only one to point it out. The reason they are condescending is because when people don't agree with you that 800 cp should be enough to have all the passives and 4 slots done, you decide they have missed the point and the issue is either they are not reading the OP or they just don't comprehend it.
You attack their intelligence or their attention span instead of clarifying your position. You're not giving advice, you're just telling them to read it again and this time agree.

At no point have you acknowledged that maybe people ARE reading your post and are just disagreeing. They don't consider 1400 cp difficult or unreasonable and that having something to work towards after level 50 and that it is a nice way to add additional progression.

You keeping telling me that I'm missing the point, so please, outline for me what I'm missing.

Am I misunderstanding that what you want is for your 800 cp to be enough to have all passives and 4 slottables or is there something deeper here?

GuardianStriker

Tannus15 wrote: »

@GuardianStriker What am I missing?

You want it to cost less CP to get the benefits that currently exist.

Scale it so that 800 cp will give you the same benefit as what you get currently in the game with 1400 cp. I wasn't saying you would get free cp, I was saying you would have the equivalent of more CP. As in, the same benefits.

You do realise that being "committed to put in the work" is literally just playing the game right? You don't have to grind anything. You can just play the game and literally everything apart from decorating your house gives you XP.

It's not "slapping a band-aid on a gunshot wound" it's slapping a band-aid on a papercut. it's the appropriate response for the problem. Just play the game, have fun and gain xp. I don't know why that's controversial to you.

The responses you give ARE condescending, and I'm not the only one to point it out. The reason they are condescending is because when people don't agree with you that 800 cp should be enough to have all the passives and 4 slots done, you decide they have missed the point and the issue is either they are not reading the OP or they just don't comprehend it.
You attack their intelligence or their attention span instead of clarifying your position. You're not giving advice, you're just telling them to read it again and this time agree.

At no point have you acknowledged that maybe people ARE reading your post and are just disagreeing. They don't consider 1400 cp difficult or unreasonable and that having something to work towards after level 50 and that it is a nice way to add additional progression.

You keeping telling me that I'm missing the point, so please, outline for me what I'm missing.

Am I misunderstanding that what you want is for your 800 cp to be enough to have all passives and 4 slottables or is there something deeper here?

You asked the same questions, I'll give you the same answers. I already explained to you what you were missing, and you're still hellbent on assuming I'm condescending and are just ignoring it entirely. All you're doing is the same tactic, hoping it'll work, but it don't, nor won't. You either read what I said again much more thoroughly this time, or don't comment. Also, no it really isn't. A band-aid on a papercut would be akin if there was a bug with the CP leveling system where nobody can't level up and can be fixed with a simple hotfix. But there isn't, so it is a band-aid to a gunshot wound, and many, which again, I doubt you'll even see, have explained the CP system needs a few tweaks to make certain perks more reasonable and you can see my responses to them.

I'll give you a hint though, there are people who have read my post and are just disagreeing. They also don't consider 1400 CP difficult, they just say anything past that is meaningless. Don't confuse "difficulty" with "disinterest". They are there. Make use of those page numbers and read through them thoroughly, instead of scrolling past them. People like disinteger8, notyuu, Ph1p, Tandor, Tasheen and valenwood_vegan have all come up with better alternatives, and I have responded with positive replies, or given an agree at the very least.

Another hint, if I wanted my 800 CP to be enough to have all passives and 4 slottables, I would've said so. But I didn't. Only thing related to my CP, is that I'm CP 800. I only explained what I am. Not wanting the limit to be 800. Once again, I implore you not to jump to absolutes. You already are putting on a worse impression than you assume I'm putting on.

If these hints aren't enough for you, then I'm sorry. But you're not reading, nor even trying to. I just think you're instigating and strawmanning, but I sure hope you don't disappoint and prove me wrong. Because they are there, and I hope you see them for once. Rather than just not doing so and calling me condescending again.

Tannus15

No

@GuardianStriker Ok, so WHAT ARE YOU SAYING????

I really, genuinly don't understand what you're asking for.

I've seen plenty of other people, including myself, make suggestions which have been made elsewhere and require some sort of overhaul of the system.
Actual changes, not just tweaking the numbers.

What is the change you are asking for?
What is the ACTUAL effect of these changes?
Who benefits from them, and why do it?

No one can see who you click "agree" on, so unless you explicitly reply and say "that's a great idea" or "i hadn't thought about it that way" no one has any idea what you agree or disagree with.

the last thing @Ph1p asked you was "So are you no longer arguing for a CP squish?" and you didn't answer.

Right now I'm having difficulty evening defining what you're after?
You say CP squish, and your example is to reduce one of the CP nodes from 50 points to 10 and claim this will make the system less convoluted. How?
What actual benefit would this change make apart from making it easier to have more things unlocked for less total CP?

You keep telling people to read and comprehend what you want, but i really honestly can't find it.
You cite no numbers apart from your current CP and that you don't want to have to grind for CP, so the logical assumption is that you think that's an appropriate amount to have all the passives unlocked?

Correct me if i'm wrong, outline your proposal in such a way that someone can actually ciritique it.

I think, from reading pages of replies that you want CP to be more impactful?
So you're no longer in favour of squishing it, but instead buffing it?

You've been on the forums since 2016 so you should be well aware how much it's been nerfed over the years for precicely the kind of attitudes you were complaining about earlier where people were telling you not to do vet dungeons until you are cp 600 or whatever. The devs have gone out of their way for years now to try and pull back on the impact of CP because of the perception that it matters so much.

GuardianStriker

Tannus15 wrote: »

@GuardianStriker Ok, so WHAT ARE YOU SAYING????

I really, genuinly don't understand what you're asking for.

I've seen plenty of other people, including myself, make suggestions which have been made elsewhere and require some sort of overhaul of the system.
Actual changes, not just tweaking the numbers.

What is the change you are asking for?
What is the ACTUAL effect of these changes?
Who benefits from them, and why do it?

No one can see who you click "agree" on, so unless you explicitly reply and say "that's a great idea" or "i hadn't thought about it that way" no one has any idea what you agree or disagree with.

the last thing @Ph1p asked you was "So are you no longer arguing for a CP squish?" and you didn't answer.

Right now I'm having difficulty evening defining what you're after?
You say CP squish, and your example is to reduce one of the CP nodes from 50 points to 10 and claim this will make the system less convoluted. How?
What actual benefit would this change make apart from making it easier to have more things unlocked for less total CP?

You keep telling people to read and comprehend what you want, but i really honestly can't find it.
You cite no numbers apart from your current CP and that you don't want to have to grind for CP, so the logical assumption is that you think that's an appropriate amount to have all the passives unlocked?

Correct me if i'm wrong, outline your proposal in such a way that someone can actually ciritique it.

I think, from reading pages of replies that you want CP to be more impactful?
So you're no longer in favour of squishing it, but instead buffing it?

You've been on the forums since 2016 so you should be well aware how much it's been nerfed over the years for precicely the kind of attitudes you were complaining about earlier where people were telling you not to do vet dungeons until you are cp 600 or whatever. The devs have gone out of their way for years now to try and pull back on the impact of CP because of the perception that it matters so much.

Yeah, as I just told you last reply. Actual changes, not tweaking the numbers. That's 1.

I don't need to necessarily say "that's a great idea" exactly word for word to agree with someone. You can easily piece together my replies yourself and come to that conclusion that I did not shun, nor drive away their better suggestion. Not to mention when I say I did agree with someone's comment, you can trust me that I did. That's 2.

No, not really one CP nodes. More like all CP nodes since my whole idea was to reduce the overall CP level cap since as others stated again, they say that anything past 1400 is more just for convenience. I also already explained how it'd be less convoluted, because the reduced cap, along with the value tweaks of each stage to still equal the same value as stage 50 would still be the same result, just without the unnecessary high amount of points. While also raising the required XP amount to reach the next CP level. I decided against this after reading the comments I mentioned the names of who had better solutions. That's 3.

I didn't answer, because I already stated before Ph1p's comment that some have already had better solutions than mine. It's clear enough that I stopped, so there wasn't a need for an answer. Anyone can piece that part together easily, so I have no idea why that's difficult for you to do so. That's 4.

If you can't find it, that means you didn't do exactly what I told you to, now did you? Your assumption is anything but logical since I even told you on my reply before this one, that I did not in no way say I wanted CP 800 to be the appropriate amount to have passives unlocked. I only mentioned that to only state what my CP level is for reference. That's 5.

You're finally correct on something. I did say I want CP gaining to be more impactful. You're saved from a count.

My time on the forums has nothing to do with my knowledge over ESO. Especially since you have no absolute clue how often I log in to this forums. All you see is when my account was created, not how often I browse the forums. To shut down your assumption once more, no. I was not aware of the CP system being nerfed at all. Using my date of account creation to judge my knowledge over anything related to ESO, makes about as much sense as assuming someone who is high level, means they know everything about the game. As in it makes zero sense. Someone could have stopped playing ESO for at least a year while they was CP 1552, then they just recently get online and they have to relearn the game. It happens a lot of people who haven't played something in a while. It's called being rusty. Don't confuse "level" with "familiarity".

Suffice to say, you disappointed me when I didn't want you to. I've counted 5 of you asking the same question, and giving you the same answers. Each proving you wrong because you skimmed half of each comment without reading the rest of it. 5 instances you didn't read like you was told to. The fact that you said "or whatever" is a dead giveaway you didn't even try. I had hope that maybe you was in a fit of anger and weren't focusing. But I tried to tell you. Really, I did. Yet you didn't listen for three replies straight, and I even told you straight up when you clearly didn't read, so I made it easy for you. That was still useless to you, since once again, you're asking the same questions with clear answers right in front of you.

You still seem hellbent on labeling me as condescending, but it ain't gonna happen. Pretty obvious you're trying to guilt trip me over something I already said I'm done with several comments ago, and several times you've strawmanned and instigated. Truly, I really do hope you have a good night. Because I am done humoring you.

Tannus15

No

@GuardianStriker yes, not condescending at all.

No one will read a long post where you claim someone has "disappointed" you and you're giving "strikes" like you're a high school teacher with an unruly student and could possibly think you're being condescending.

"If you can't find it, that means you didn't do exactly what I told you to, now did you?" yes, this is how normal people talk to each other.

and you still haven't defined your position apart from "make the numbers smaller" except you have walked back from that so I literally don't know what you are suggesting.
Is it "what they said" ?
I'm not afraid to say i'm lost here.

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