350k netch shreds -Trader guild piracy

merevie

Trader guilds have been an issue for awhile, but over the year, with billions in the bank, they've really wrecked the game for players.

Example today, is people are selling netch shreds for 3k, and these people are staking out traders are relisting for 250-300k each.
Not to mention the orchestrated crash of gold plating's known to be organized, and bragged about, by two top trade guilds last week, and evident today.

For most of us, on a daily basis, it's things like columbine that make it not possible for most players to do simple tasks, like an hour of pvp, due to the insane costs of simple items like immov pots.

Right now, it's wrecking the event for many players who otherwise would have had no trouble sourcing a ghost pet, like in the past.

Trade Guilds are beyond arrogant at this point and don't give a monkey's tail about wrecking the game. Could you please ensure content that's meant to be basic fun for everyone doesn't fall under their control in the future.

Araneae6537

But none of these items are limited but are available to everyone: The pet can be bought from the Impressario with event tickets. I collect all columbine I come across and regularly sell it (and no, I am not wealthy nor part of any consortium, just earning doing what I can to make gold to fund housing and fashion, and pay others for the Scribes of Mora motif, for instance, which I could also earn myself and actually was lucky enough to get the head and chest drops, but I was impatient to make my arcanist look awesome and so pay for others’ time, even as others pay for me to pick flowers for them).

MrGarlic

merevie wrote: »

SNIP

For most of us, on a daily basis, it's things like columbine that make it not possible for most players to do simple tasks, like an hour of pvp, due to the insane costs of simple items like immov pots.

SNIP

That's the price you pay for following the meta.

Spend time harvesting your own mats. If you are not prepared to do that, then it's a self-inflicted problem.

Katheriah

merevie wrote: »

For most of us, on a daily basis, it's things like columbine that make it not possible for most players to do simple tasks, like an hour of pvp, due to the insane costs of simple items like immov pots.

How long does it take you to farm enough columbine for *re-reads* an hour of pvp?

endgamesmug

Theres varied interests in the game, i know it frustrates me too for sure. But some people literally get sweaty at trading, its their version of "winning the game".

kargen27

There are over 200 trade locations in the game. Nobody is staking out all the traders to corner a market. It is impossible. Maybe they can monitor a few trade locations that are near each other. Most members of the guilds that have prime locations would know that new items early in an event sell for tons and lost accordingly. So any bargains are probably going to be found at traders out and away from everything.
Fun thing is if they don't sell their fragments quick they eat the cost of listing. Prices drop really fast in these events. That is why it is a good strategy to save items dropped during an event and put them up for sale the next year when the event rolls around the day before the event begins.

valenwood_vegan

It's really not the fault of trading guilds that event items have been made rarer / more grindy in the last couple years. That's all on zos.

A couple years ago, most event items dropped so often that they couldn't even be given away (like the Dremora pages still do). ZoS has gone maybe too far in the other direction. But the crazy prices aren't some grand conspiracy - they're more a reflection of scarcity vs. demand vs. the fact that some people will pay ANYTHING to get the NEW SHINY RIGHT NOW.

IMO, "fun" yearly events like witches / jesters / new life / etc... *should* be set up so anyone casually playing the event most days has a good chance of getting most of the items. It's moving away from this philosophy that is causing crazy prices.

Carcamongus

In 4 days of event, I got a single shred. This abysmal drop rate means I won't be able to finish the achievement (10 are required) without buying from other players or the Impresario. According to TTC last night, there were about 240 shreds listed. How many thousands, maybe millions, play this game, again? I expect prices to fall a bit by the end of the event, but with such scarcity, I doubt it'll be by much. Remember the fragments to create the daedroth costume from Jesters? Unfortunately, it appears the arbitrary low supply of desirable items is here to stay.

dvonpm

merevie wrote: »

Trader guilds have been an issue for awhile, but over the year, with billions in the bank, they've really wrecked the game for players.

Example today, is people are selling netch shreds for 3k, and these people are staking out traders are relisting for 250-300k each.
Not to mention the orchestrated crash of gold plating's known to be organized, and bragged about, by two top trade guilds last week, and evident today.

For most of us, on a daily basis, it's things like columbine that make it not possible for most players to do simple tasks, like an hour of pvp, due to the insane costs of simple items like immov pots.

Right now, it's wrecking the event for many players who otherwise would have had no trouble sourcing a ghost pet, like in the past.

Trade Guilds are beyond arrogant at this point and don't give a monkey's tail about wrecking the game. Could you please ensure content that's meant to be basic fun for everyone doesn't fall under their control in the future.

How does one orchestrate a price crash in chromium when there will be literally 10 times more in circulation overnight? It's eventually going to be in line with ther gold mats.

jle30303

10 times more in circulation is what causes a price crash. Massive increase in supply, reduction in demand.

ShadowPaladin

Regarding those event items like shreds or the *new* style pages (which do only drop once per day, per account).

During next years Witches Festival those items will drop in abundance, because they will be old items instead of new ones. That means drop chances will be better/higher. In addtion to that. The Crowborne styles pages won't be limited to once per day, per account anymore and will drop without limitations during next years event.

With that said. I do recommend to all of you who do have problems collecting those items during this years event, wait for the next year. You will have it way easier to get them then.

TaSheen

jle30303 wrote: »

10 times more in circulation is what causes a price crash. Massive increase in supply, reduction in demand.

As a "market correction" ZOS has managed an exemplary lesson in same. I find it very interesting, and somewhat laughable - for reasons....

NeuroticPixels

Carcamongus wrote: »

How many thousands, maybe millions, play this game, again?

Keep in mind that the player base is split between servers (NA & EU) and also by platform. It makes the populations feel much, much, much smaller.

Elowen_Starveil

Heh. I just started a thread a week ago about people using their "capital" to corner a market. It's happened with items I've wanted more times than I can count, in just a couple of years. I believe TTC helps to coordinate this. I didn't have this problem on PS. Several people suggested centralized guild banking, like some other games have. That sounds like a great idea to me, in general, but I suppose it still doesn't stop people from cornering markets on items, and I don't even have a good idea how to stop that, but make it fair for someone to buy "a lot" of something.

SeaGtGruff

This is a "people" problem, caused by people (sellers), and only people (buyers) can solve it.

Sellers can ask for whatever prices they feel like charging, no matter how outrageous. That's fine; it's a free market.

If the buyers don't like the prices being charged, the best thing they can do about it is refuse to buy at those prices, because as long as buyers are willing to pay those prices, sellers will keep charging those prices and keep raising them.

So for myself, I just refuse to participate in buying from guild traders except on relatively rare occasions, and then I generally shop around for the best prices and avoid buying more than I need.

As for flipping, I despise flippers, but as long as there are no mechanisms in place to prevent buying and then reselling items there is nothing to do about it but refuse to pay more than you feel is fair.

Hapexamendios

I found all the style pages I needed for reasonable prices at traders and that frees my event tickets up to use on the netch shreds.

wolfie1.0.

merevie wrote: »

Trader guilds have been an issue for awhile, but over the year, with billions in the bank, they've really wrecked the game for players.

Example today, is people are selling netch shreds for 3k, and these people are staking out traders are relisting for 250-300k each.
Not to mention the orchestrated crash of gold plating's known to be organized, and bragged about, by two top trade guilds last week, and evident today.

For most of us, on a daily basis, it's things like columbine that make it not possible for most players to do simple tasks, like an hour of pvp, due to the insane costs of simple items like immov pots.

Right now, it's wrecking the event for many players who otherwise would have had no trouble sourcing a ghost pet, like in the past.

Trade Guilds are beyond arrogant at this point and don't give a monkey's tail about wrecking the game. Could you please ensure content that's meant to be basic fun for everyone doesn't fall under their control in the future.

Market prices are not set by the traders they are set by the buyers. Buyers decide if the price offered is worth the time saved from having to farm said items. Whether it be event tickets or normal methods, crowns or gold.

Ultimately it'd the buyer that decides if this worth the price.

EF321

If item sells at that price, why sell it lower? Blame buyers, not sellers.

Don't forget you always have an option to farm your own stuff

Ph1p

With event fragments, you’re unfortunately paying the price for ZOS setting drop chances impractically low.

With Columbine, you’re paying the price for someone else spending their precious time farming the material and not using it themselves.

In both cases, there seem to be people willing to pay, so why should a seller list them lower? Why should the Possessed Shreds sell for 3k instead of 250-300k? You might as well demand that the next ESO chapter costs 50 cents…

xilfxlegion

everything in this game is free. you just have to go get it.


if you dont want to spend the time to go get it --- then yes you will have to pay someone else that went and got it.

the buyer decides the market --- if it is priced too high it simply will not sell.
no one can corner the market on anything because thankfully there is no central auction house, and the " despised " flippers paid for the same game you did and can play it however we want. if you dont like flippers either ignore them or beat them to the punch.

boi_anachronism_

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

This is a "people" problem, caused by people (sellers), and only people (buyers) can solve it.

Sellers can ask for whatever prices they feel like charging, no matter how outrageous. That's fine; it's a free market.

If the buyers don't like the prices being charged, the best thing they can do about it is refuse to buy at those prices, because as long as buyers are willing to pay those prices, sellers will keep charging those prices and keep raising them.

So for myself, I just refuse to participate in buying from guild traders except on relatively rare occasions, and then I generally shop around for the best prices and avoid buying more than I need.

As for flipping, I despise flippers, but as long as there are no mechanisms in place to prevent buying and then reselling items there is nothing to do about it but refuse to pay more than you feel is fair.

Personally i dont flip even though i have a guild trader in a big city. Im looking for decent prices on stuff i need for content. That said im also ps/na, prices are way more affordable.Things like alchemy mats you just gotta be smart. Get the double drop passive. Do alchemy surveys, if you dont like what you get dont pick it, ride out like you would to reset if you have multiple surveys and go back, they spawn different mats. I never have to pay for mine and i both pve and pve. The one exception to this is perfect row. Prices are ridiculous.

kah

valenwood_vegan wrote: »

It's really not the fault of trading guilds that event items have been made rarer / more grindy in the last couple years. That's all on zos.

A couple years ago, most event items dropped so often that they couldn't even be given away (like the Dremora pages still do). ZoS has gone maybe too far in the other direction. But the crazy prices aren't some grand conspiracy - they're more a reflection of scarcity vs. demand vs. the fact that some people will pay ANYTHING to get the NEW SHINY RIGHT NOW.

IMO, "fun" yearly events like witches / jesters / new life / etc... *should* be set up so anyone casually playing the event most days has a good chance of getting most of the items. It's moving away from this philosophy that is causing crazy prices.

Agreed. Also, there isn't a lot of new stuff released each event, so players with all previous rewards, many of which typically have a decent amount of money, are willing to pay these high prices to get the small amount of new stuff since that's all there is to really go after during these events.

merevie

People shouldn't have to wait a year to get an event item due to piracy. There are multiple ways Zos can manage their event drops.

Why blame the seller? Because the seller leaves 10k of the item in their bank, and selectively sell just a few, at greatly inflated prices -it benefits them and their guild to do so. The 'diamond' barons of ESO, as it were.

'Go get your own - I do'. Um... if one is employed, one does not have 10hrs a day to do that. As pvpr, I'm sure the poster knows how many pots they need per hour?

tubdidi

Honestly, if you are not willing to farm the mats yourself nor to buy the price others are obviously willing to pay, why do you expect others to farm stuff for you and give it away for a bargain to you?

Araneae6537

‘Piracy’ is a clearly inappropriate term; nothing is being stolen.

I don’t have lots of time either and all the old stuff cluttering the golden skulls has discouraged me from trying to farm them, so I will have to choose how to best spend my tickets and choose among the drops I haven’t gotten this year. Why should I expect someone with more time or better luck than me to give away fragments or style pages?

EF321

merevie wrote: »

People shouldn't have to wait a year to get an event item due to piracy. There are multiple ways Zos can manage their event drops.

Why blame the seller? Because the seller leaves 10k of the item in their bank, and selectively sell just a few, at greatly inflated prices -it benefits them and their guild to do so. The 'diamond' barons of ESO, as it were.

'Go get your own - I do'. Um... if one is employed, one does not have 10hrs a day to do that. As pvpr, I'm sure the poster knows how many pots they need per hour?

If you don't have time to play the game and earn rewards in game, why do you feel entitled to have them?

JavaRen

As someone who has been an active member and/or officer of several trade guilds over the years I can only laugh and shake my head when I hear about the actions of traders as if they are some organized cabal, some de Beers wannabes. But I know that those who make those claims won't listen when I refute them. So I laugh at the absurdity and shake my head.

SpacemanSpiff1

time to sell some netch shreds. heck yea

daim

What's the big deal? Get shreds from impresario if you dont want to farm or buy them - 1 / per day

disintegr8

While some items are RNG based and tend to send you to traders if you're unlucky with drops, most items can be obtained by every player in the game free (other than investing time). If you don't want to spend time farming, then you have to be prepared to pay what others are selling things for.

Blade_07

kargen27 wrote: »

That is why it is a good strategy to save items dropped during an event and put them up for sale the next year when the event rolls around the day before the event begins.

When I'm playing Final Fantasy 11(FFXI), I do the same thing. I send event items to mules(other accounts) for safe keeping until the even comes back around. 😎👍👍