OPENING 130 BUOYANT ARMIGER CROWN CRATES

VvwvenomwvV

Hello.

I made a video of opening 130 Buoyant Armiger crown crates.

I bought seven 15 packs of crown crates, plus a special 25 pack that comes with the Spellscar Sheath skin.

I got some fantastic rewards!!!

I hope you enjoy the video.

https://youtu.be/kLjNq0DvC5k

ZOS_Hadeostry

Greetings,

After further review we have decided to move this thread to a category we think is more appropriate for this topic, as it's about crown crates.

Thank you for your understanding

Ra'Shtar

I hope Microsoft does something about this crates, even after so many years its insane to me that you can get duplicates of items such as costumes and mounts and only get a pittance of the number of gems you need to buy something of the same tier as the dupe, get rid of dupes for things that unlock the first time you get them or make them give you 80% of the gem cost of their tier!!!!

HedgeHugger

Did you buy them yourself?
Or did you rely on other people spending ridiculous of money and buy them with in game gold?

HedgeHugger

I missed the word "amounts" there
ridiculous amounts of money it should have been.
I get that people get crowns when they renew their ESO+, mine renewed today, but I do wish that the real monetary value was displayed alongside the crown rate.

Daoin

HedgeHugger wrote: »

Did you buy them yourself?
Or did you rely on other people spending ridiculous of money and buy them with in game gold?

atleast players that have been around only a few weeks cant be manipulated into selling crowns now though

ESO_CenturionPlayer

Serious question…

1- 25 crate bundle: 8k crowns
7- 15 crate bundles 35k crown
that’s ~43k in crowns

if you bought in gold at 1400 to 1 (about the current rate) it would take ~60 million.

if you paid in cash, best case scenario 21k crowns = 90 USD on sale.

It either cost you a couple hundred IRL USD dollars or millions in gold from buying from other players.

Is that right?

Daoin

yes but thats only around 20-30 mask styles in gold in cash its the whole rent allotment for the family

ESO_CenturionPlayer

Daoin wrote: »

yes but thats only around 20-30 mask styles in gold in cash its the whole rent allotment for the family

if you have time to grind that many mask motifs you don’t have a job and aren’t paying rent. lol

ESO_CenturionPlayer

alternately if you make about minimum wage (~10 bucks an hour where i live) it would take 20 hours of work or half a week of REAL work to buy them …at the best price when crowns are on sale that is.

Daoin

well i got 8 masks once just going unhallowed grave a couple times a day during style period, that would leave 12 at that point during the rest of the events to hit the mark by my calculations, whats that ? under 40 min per day or less considering group composition over something like 10 days = something like 7 hours. the last 2 events i got the mask on first visit and did not bother going back except to help with random groups getting thiers (groups that needed help not ones that thought they already knew what they were doing) i mean with not farming but checking with group for achievs too at start aleast ones that can be usually done like sr or nd too, would just like to add i buy my own crowns too so none of the gold was spent on those..never have bought crowns from another player for gold for thier crowns

Katheriah

ESO_CenturionPlayer wrote: »

Serious question…

1- 25 crate bundle: 8k crowns
7- 15 crate bundles 35k crown
that’s ~43k in crowns

if you bought in gold at 1400 to 1 (about the current rate) it would take ~60 million.

if you paid in cash, best case scenario 21k crowns = 90 USD on sale.

It either cost you a couple hundred IRL USD dollars or millions in gold from buying from other players.

Is that right?

I said it once and I'll say it again. If they lower the crownstore prices, they will actually make more money because more people will buy crates, houses, cosmetics, service tokens, et cetera.

It's so overpriced.

Daoin

ESO_CenturionPlayer wrote: »

alternately if you make about minimum wage (~10 bucks an hour where i live) it would take 20 hours of work or half a week of REAL work to buy them …at the best price when crowns are on sale that is.

working only 20 hours on minimum wage wont support rent and all household bills full stop ^^

ESO_CenturionPlayer

Daoin wrote: »

ESO_CenturionPlayer wrote: »

alternately if you make about minimum wage (~10 bucks an hour where i live) it would take 20 hours of work or half a week of REAL work to buy them …at the best price when crowns are on sale that is.

working only 20 hours on minimum wage wont support rent and all household bills full stop ^^

sadly, i live in one of the poorest areas of the country and people do get by with that little. by necessity and not choice. but they aren’t the ones sitting in front of a computer mindlessly for several hours a day.

Daoin

ESO_CenturionPlayer wrote: »

Daoin wrote: »

ESO_CenturionPlayer wrote: »

alternately if you make about minimum wage (~10 bucks an hour where i live) it would take 20 hours of work or half a week of REAL work to buy them …at the best price when crowns are on sale that is.

working only 20 hours on minimum wage wont support rent and all household bills full stop ^^

sadly, i live in one of the poorest areas of the country and people do get by with that little. by necessity and not choice. but they aren’t the ones sitting in front of a computer mindlessly for several hours a day.

i dont feel you, i never gew up with a silver spoon in my mouth either and sitting blindly and mindlessly infront of computers filled any gaps nicely. better than turning to the local abundant crime rate or the drugs people use to fill the gap and also seem to get by. lots of people in th UK get by on less than that even the government weekly payments they survive on are a joke. something like 70 pounds per week or less due to circumstances. seems to me those people in the poorest area you mention are pretty well off just dont realize it

ESO_CenturionPlayer

Daoin wrote: »

ESO_CenturionPlayer wrote: »

Daoin wrote: »

ESO_CenturionPlayer wrote: »

alternately if you make about minimum wage (~10 bucks an hour where i live) it would take 20 hours of work or half a week of REAL work to buy them …at the best price when crowns are on sale that is.

working only 20 hours on minimum wage wont support rent and all household bills full stop ^^

sadly, i live in one of the poorest areas of the country and people do get by with that little. by necessity and not choice. but they aren’t the ones sitting in front of a computer mindlessly for several hours a day.

i dont feel you, i never gew up with a silver spoon in my mouth either and sitting blindly and mindlessly infront of computers filled any gaps nicely. better than turning to the local abundant crime rate or the drugs people use to fill the gap and also seem to get by

predatory money behaviors can be found in small town crime rings and in online games.

i spent a lot of my time as a kid outside and on an old xbox with “elder scrolls: oblivion”. but that was one time purchase where you can play it indefinitely. the difference is that this elder scrolls online makes it almost impossible to enjoy if all you do is buy base game and play indefinitely.

Daoin

thats one of the issues i have with crown gifting, thats where theres a game like this nothing is going to stop the predatory behavior of other players to get those crowns, its nice now theres atleast time for new players to settle in but too little too late i think. it is true the base game is just more like a demo

ESO_CenturionPlayer

Daoin wrote: »

thats one of the issues i have with crown gifting, thats where theres a game like this nothing is going to stop the predatory behavior of other players to get those crowns, its nice now theres atleast time for new players to settle in but too little too late i think

I totally agree. I wish crown gifting wasn’t part of the game at all. Not just crates but all of it lends to very ethically questionable game play.

When I see videos about dozens of Crown
Crates being opened it makes me sad that they wasted an exorbitant amount of money on them or were able to finagle crowns out of other players.

It would balance out the in-game currency and help curtail people losing money to scammers. Just buy cosmetics for IRL cash and dump the gambling system.

Outside of straight up taking the money and running, confusion around currency conversions is how people lose their money at every step of the way. From IRL money to Crowns then Crowns to Gold and visa versa.

ESO_CenturionPlayer

A commenter on YouTube put it best:

“I feel your pain… I’ll buy several packs and end up [with] so much stuff I don’t want and never the Apex mounts I do want.”

This is the community sentiment around these gambling mechanics which can burn IRL money super quickly.

VvwvenomwvV

HedgeHugger wrote: »

Did you buy them yourself?
Or did you rely on other people spending ridiculous of money and buy them with in game gold?

I used crown gifting from several people.

VvwvenomwvV

I see there is a lot of conversation about the price of crates.

An old friend ( who passed away a few years ago ) once said to me "I can make real money faster than in-game money." He and his wife drove truck for a living and they loved to play Eso when they had time. Crown gifting allows a bridge between the casual and hard-core gamers to enjoy the game.

I can make in-game gold faster than real money.

For example, just doing crafting on 20 characters a day is 5,100g per toon. 5.1k x 20 = 102,000g a day. That's over 3,000,000g gold a month just handing in the quests. That's not counting all of the other stuff you get like materials, surveys, etc. It takes time to do. Some people don't have time in their day to do things like this. They work all of the time.

I don't take advantage of anyone, or force them to sell crowns. There are people advertising crowns for sell in zone chat, and there people I've known for many years that are very happy to sell crowns.

I understand that this helps support the game. It's vital in fact. We will continue to get awesome content added to the game we all love as long as we the community help support the game.

While I do wish the RNG was better, perhaps a curated system were in place so we don't get duplicates on legendary, and radiant tier rewards, I am thankful that we do have crown gems that we can spend to eventually get the items we really want.

I enjoyed opening the crates and the rewards I received. I was able to buy the mount I really wanted. I hope you enjoyed the video!

Daoin

people just want things without having to earn or pay for it themselves, while this de-appreciates from the value of working for and owning something yourself nothing in the world will change that fact. and if gifting was removed people may leave game yes but at least it would be a safer enviroment theress no way people should be spending that amount of cash on strangers in a game for any reason they have been told they need it if people want to be helpful with cash in a good way and they dont need it, then i suggest one of the many charities that need it way more in todays climate and are a bit more trustworthy, with it being a whole better cause and if the ingame economy cannot work around this fact theres a basic flaw in the programme anyway then

daim

The first rule of crown crates is: You do not talk about crown crates.
The second rule of crown crates is: you DO NOT talk about Crown Crates!
Third rule of crown crates when your mind yells "stop!", goes limp, your credit card taps out - buy more crown crates with gift card!
Fourth rule: you can't win.

ESO_CenturionPlayer

I still find crown gifting to be unethical. Especially when it comes to gifting crates.

Incentivizing immoral behavior IMO. There are more legitimate ways for an MMORPG to make money than expensive gambling crates.

VvwvenomwvV

The way I think about crates and "gambling" is, it's not really gambling. Why you ask? Because you acquire crown gems. These allow you to eventually buy the item you really want. You still have a chance to get lucky and roll it for free. It seems like win-win to me.

Imagine if your state lottery had lottery gems you acquire, so you could eventually hit the jackpot. That'll never happen.

I think the problem is, people just want it for free, or to purchase directly. Then people would complain about micro-transactions.

Story time: Years ago at my old job during a meeting, my boss said "I could give everyone here a brand new Corvette and I guarantee you that a couple guys would still complain...one guy would say he doesn't like the color!"

Moral of the story is, it's impossible to please everyone. You could give them something they didn't ask to have for free and it's awesome...but some people will still be upset about it.

*Edit: I forgot to mention that there is Endeavors you can do in-game to earn rewards you like for free! I've earned a few Radiant Apex mounts this way so far!

ESO_CenturionPlayer

I don’t agree at all on the seals of endeavors. To me, it’s a way of getting eyes on crown items. Marketing for more crown crate purchases.

Crown crates are time limited and if you don’t happen to have seals you will either have to buy with cash, finagle crowns from others or wait many years for them to return to the store and you have saved up endeavors.

The time-limited nature combined with gambling mechanic make for a very unethical product.

Daoin

hey in the end i guess its upto the individual if they want to get up and go to the bar while leaving thier wallet open on the table at a husslers bar

daim

VvwvenomwvV wrote: »

The way I think about crates and "gambling" is, it's not really gambling. Why you ask? Because you acquire crown gems. These allow you to eventually buy the item you really want. You still have a chance to get lucky and roll it for free. It seems like win-win to me.

Imagine if your state lottery had lottery gems you acquire, so you could eventually hit the jackpot. That'll never happen.

I think the problem is, people just want it for free, or to purchase directly. Then people would complain about micro-transactions.

Story time: Years ago at my old job during a meeting, my boss said "I could give everyone here a brand new Corvette and I guarantee you that a couple guys would still complain...one guy would say he doesn't like the color!"

Moral of the story is, it's impossible to please everyone. You could give them something they didn't ask to have for free and it's awesome...but some people will still be upset about it.

*Edit: I forgot to mention that there is Endeavors you can do in-game to earn rewards you like for free! I've earned a few Radiant Apex mounts this way so far!

Have you ever counted how many crates you need to buy to get gems for a radiant epax and how much that is in real money?

Having multiple tiers of in-game currencies on top of each other is ... well yea I know what happens if I continue that sentence.

Anyways, long story short it's everyones choice if you buy them or not.

ESO_CenturionPlayer

We can be critical of what we perceive to be unethical business practices. Especially as end game user it should be important to the management.

That being said, people buy them! I just don’t like videos that highlight it. It’s like watching people gamble on Twitch. Just not healthy or encouraging in my opinion.

VvwvenomwvV

daim wrote: »

VvwvenomwvV wrote: »

The way I think about crates and "gambling" is, it's not really gambling. Why you ask? Because you acquire crown gems. These allow you to eventually buy the item you really want. You still have a chance to get lucky and roll it for free. It seems like win-win to me.

Imagine if your state lottery had lottery gems you acquire, so you could eventually hit the jackpot. That'll never happen.

I think the problem is, people just want it for free, or to purchase directly. Then people would complain about micro-transactions.

Story time: Years ago at my old job during a meeting, my boss said "I could give everyone here a brand new Corvette and I guarantee you that a couple guys would still complain...one guy would say he doesn't like the color!"

Moral of the story is, it's impossible to please everyone. You could give them something they didn't ask to have for free and it's awesome...but some people will still be upset about it.

*Edit: I forgot to mention that there is Endeavors you can do in-game to earn rewards you like for free! I've earned a few Radiant Apex mounts this way so far!

Have you ever counted how many crates you need to buy to get gems for a radiant epax and how much that is in real money?

Having multiple tiers of in-game currencies on top of each other is ... well yea I know what happens if I continue that sentence.

Anyways, long story short it's everyones choice if you buy them or not.

I did some research a while back. There were some people who did an extensive study on this. They determined that a Radiant apex mount on average, drops about 1 in every 180 crates you buy per season.

Keep in mind tho, I have a friend who got a Radiant apex from the 1 free crate you occasionally get. Then there's me who spent 695 crates in one season to get one Radiant apex mount. The 695 I bought was before you were able to buy Radiant apex mounts with gems. That's why I'm happy we have the ability to buy what we want instead of "gambling" or acquire them with Seals of Endeavors.

I've been on the other end of really bad RNG. It stinks. I'm glad Zos changed this. 😃

karthrag_inak

Well, nobody asked this one, but he is feeling chatty, so...

Khajiit always has a balance of between 30-40k crowns. He also makes more than enough money in an hour IRL to purchase that many crowns should he need a refresh. Stay in school, kids .

Furthermore, he is a big boy, this one is, and more than capable of appropriately managing his finances, tyvm. Khajiit cannot help but think that most folks in game, especially those who decide to post 'un-crating' videos, are also acutely aware of their own financial limitations as well as the financial implications of purchasing crown crates, but perhaps this one is just optimistic on that point.

To be honest, though, khajiit can not understand those folks who always have to chime in with the 'ooo'ing and the 'aaah'ing about the money other folks are willing to spend on their own entertainment. Why is this criticism-worthy? Perhaps khajiit is just being overly critical himself, though.

Or perhaps these folks are simply unaware of the crown sale going on RIGHT NOW, over in the Business district, on the corner of Nunya Ave and Mine Derown St.