Leveling 25 - Too hard

Godofcheese

As the title says.
I'm a lvl 25 Imperial Templar
and I'm currently in Shadowfen, and I'm out of quests that are my lvl.. I don't know how that is possible, and I can't manage the 27-30 quests either.
I also get oneshotted in Cyrodill doing the daily quests against lvl 25s.

In other words, i'm stuck.
suggestions?

Laura

Nice name. What faction are you for starters that would help. I haven't had any issue leveling are you exploring and doing public dungeons? Remember that you get big exp bonus every time you fill in an icon on the map from black to white.

Veakoth

dude, took 47 hours for me and my friends to hit lvl 50, we got to vet and its going to take a bit over a day to get 1 level, wait till you get to veteran before you say its to hard.
veteran you cant even do alone unless you pro the basic mobs kill you. also you need to do basically every single quest in every zone to hit rank 10 vet since the mobs give you 42 exp and your target for lvl 2 vet is 425k

MomoDeviluke

Shadowfen is Ebonheart Pact i think. If you are having trouble it might be a good idea to either go back to a previous zone and complete quests you havent done/farm anchors/kill the skull&xbone event bosses. they all give great experience and gear. If u dont want to do that,maybe reset your skill points and/or stat points and see where u go from there. If u do reset those make sure know what exactly you spend those points on. Even 1 or 2 points spent wrong can really change your experience. It's also very costly.

hope this helps

smokytokie

Godofcheese wrote: »

As the title says.
I'm a lvl 25 Imperial Templar
and I'm currently in Shadowfen, and I'm out of quests that are my lvl.. I don't know how that is possible, and I can't manage the 27-30 quests either.
I also get oneshotted in Cyrodill doing the daily quests against lvl 25s.

In other words, i'm stuck.
suggestions?

Please make it stop...

TheGodless1

Veakoth wrote: »

dude, took 47 hours for me and my friends to hit lvl 50, we got to vet and its going to take a bit over a day to get 1 level, wait till you get to veteran before you say its to hard.
veteran you cant even do alone unless you pro the basic mobs kill you. also you need to do basically every single quest in every zone to hit rank 10 vet since the mobs give you 42 exp and your target for lvl 2 vet is 425k

Complaining about difficulty after 50, 2 days into launch is kind of...well...not exactly genius to put it politely. I'll just leave it at that lmao!

dcam86b14_ESO

Veakoth wrote: »

dude, took 47 hours for me and my friends to hit lvl 50, we got to vet and its going to take a bit over a day to get 1 level, wait till you get to veteran before you say its to hard.
veteran you cant even do alone unless you pro the basic mobs kill you. also you need to do basically every single quest in every zone to hit rank 10 vet since the mobs give you 42 exp and your target for lvl 2 vet is 425k

WOW this is why games don't usually lasts long because of people shooting to max level and then crying

thickerson_ESO

@TheGodless1 & @dcam86b14_ESO‌, I don't think he was crying or complaining, I'm excited to hear there is a good amount of difficulty at veteran ranks. And knowing it took someone who rushed to 50, 47 hours tells me I will have 150-200 hours of gameplay to enjoy until 50. If he rushed to 50 and then was complaining that there is no more content, then I would be disappointed with him or whatever.

TheGodless1

only this isn't the first post he has complained about the leveling after 50...I too am glad it's difficult...just don't see how he can complain after getting to 50 in a day...just ridiculous on that point

Captainkrunch96

difficulty is good, and OP, make sure you have finished every quest in every zone.
though it may be good to pvp for a bit, or pve in cyrodiil. or just grind a level.

Yevon

Leveling is fine you are just not exploring everything. If there are areas on the map that do not have icons then go there, find quests, complete quests, and stop asking for ZOS to dumb the game down. Thanks.

LonePirate

I am amazed at some of the scorn and derision directed to the OP, who may not be as experienced with the game as some others are or the person may not be as good of a player as some of the hardcore elitists think they are. We were all new and inexperienced at some point. Besides, what is easy (or difficult) for one person may not be easy (or difficult) for another person. We should all be mindful of that.

This game needs to appeal to all players regardless of their game knowledge, experience or abilities. For some people, the game is too easy. For others, the game is too difficult. Fortunately, this game provides a nice balance as regular questing can be relatively simple with some mildly tougher end bosses on occasion, especially the ones that are instanced to the player. More challenging questing is available in the veteran ranks, which has been confirmed by pretty much everyone. Then there are the skull bosses, the dark anchors, the public dungeon group challenges and the private four player dungeons all of which offer more difficult content for players at that zone's level. If this stuff is too easy for the hardcore players, try removing some armor, use a less powerful weapon (or stop using ranged weapons), stop using your class skills, etc. to increase the difficulty. There are several ways to make this game more difficult without requiring the devs to nerf the content.

For the OP who has supposedly exhausted the quests available for his/her level, I recommend checking your map. Are there areas on the map where roads intersect or where you see an empty space with no map markers? Chances are there is a settlement there or quests to be had. Also, check the Achievements tab in your Journal. Each zone has a questing achievement related to a specific (but not quite maximum) number of quests to complete. Check those achievements to see how many quests you have completed and how many remain. As mentioned above, the skull bosses and dark anchors are good sources of XP, provided you have not outleveled them too much.

If you are still level 25 and in Shadowfen, go back to Deshaan and grind your way through bosses and enemies on the east side of the map, all of which are in the lower 20s level wise. You will still gain XP as they are within 5 levels of you and you can easily kill them. Also, Shadowfen contains quests up to around level 30. There should be plenty to do there. Go find all of the skyshards and lore books in Stonefalls and Deshaan if you have not already done so. Plenty of sites offer maps for finding them.

As for Cyrodiil, make sure your armor and weapons are fully upgraded to your level. Anything more than 2-3 levels below you should be replaced. Unless you are questing with someone, I would advise against attempting any mob greater than 2 as you could be in for some pain, especially if you are only an average player. Also, your class skills will be very handy in Cyrodiil. If you do not have a few of them morphed, you should spend some time doing so. Until you reach the high 40s or the veteran ranks, the enemies can easily and quickly kill you as they do not mess around. Tread very carefully in Cyrodiil, especially if you are questing alone.

Godofcheese

Thanks for all the replies!

Currently I'm farming the 20kill quest in Cyrodill and trying to do some of the solo quests, It's going "well"

Deshaan is a option yes, but I have done "all" of the quests there I could find.
and was kinda forced to go to Shadowfen, which was ofc too high for me, but that was kinda the only place for me.

But, plan is, Cyrodill > LVL 28-29 and then go back to Shadowfen!
Hopefully that will go better.

Rapscallion74

Godofcheese wrote: »

As the title says.
I'm a lvl 25 Imperial Templar
and I'm currently in Shadowfen, and I'm out of quests that are my lvl.. I don't know how that is possible, and I can't manage the 27-30 quests either.
I also get oneshotted in Cyrodill doing the daily quests against lvl 25s.

In other words, i'm stuck.
suggestions?

I am not as far as you, but it sounds like you might be skipping a lot of stuff. I was just about to leave Stonefalls nearly at level 18 when the server went down for maintenance.

Are you getting your achievements for completing all the quests in the zone?

Godofcheese

Rapscallion74 wrote: »

Godofcheese wrote: »

As the title says.
I'm a lvl 25 Imperial Templar
and I'm currently in Shadowfen, and I'm out of quests that are my lvl.. I don't know how that is possible, and I can't manage the 27-30 quests either.
I also get oneshotted in Cyrodill doing the daily quests against lvl 25s.

In other words, i'm stuck.
suggestions?

I am not as far as you, but it sounds like you might be skipping a lot of stuff. I was just about to leave Stonefalls nearly at level 18 when the server went down for maintenance.

Are you getting your achievements for completing all the quests in the zone?

What I am seeing/experiencing, I am completing all the zone stuff, "black/white" markers etc etc, stay on the roads to find more quests etc etc.
and I have searched Deshaan and Shadowfen thoroughly and Haven't found any more quests.

So I don't know what I am doing wrong ^^
My character might be bugged and my xp rates are off? haha

Dixa

47 hours to hit level 50 is not an achievement. You just blasted through all of the quest content or you possibly used the rings of mara + group xp exploit and farmed mobs like pryda. Either way, the game was not designed for you nor are the masses going to care much about your sob story.

The only way to be forced to do content over your level is because you skipped content everywhere. Look at your journal. Do you have every skyshard in deshaan? no? then you didn't explore the entire map and are missing a LOT of content.

Stonefalls took me to level 18 with zero mob farming. You did something very wrong. Deshaan will take me to 25 and beyond at this point.

Alestair

Thing is, People exploited to 50... I never read Quests, click click click, go here kill go there come back, Fast as possible..played 26 hours straight and only got to level 17.. Skipping through the scenes like i did, still impossible to get to 50... I played non stop..did not even stop to look at the freaking map, i knew where to go , where the item was and such..so no....People used some exploit to get to 50.. Don't care what someone says.. If i was skipping through every speech, completing 100 quests under 2 hours, there is still no possible way they got to 50... because I was skipping, so no..they exploited.

charlesbr

dont make the game easier, it must be difficult, theres so many things that can be done to progress in the game

illipthgore

If doing the PvE stuff all over again is the only way to lvl vet lvls I wont be subbing past the first month, I hate the non stop questing as the only way to lvl at a decent rate and if that's all you do again at 50 ill be bored long before that hell im bored out of my tree now, I can get my TES fix in morrowind/oblivion and skyrim, I still play all 3 and with mods that's my questing fix and single player content.

As for cyrodiil that place is a snore fest I spent all day from lvl 10 doing the quests I could find and didn't hit 11 until my second day there, the speed you die at low lvls makes it hard as a melee to gain kills the all players to 50 system is a cheap nasty WOW like uninspired way of doing things as the diff between a lvl 10s gear and a lvl 14s is quite noticeable so all you can do is join a group and hope they get kills for your bounty quest which makes me feel kinda cheap and useless.

As a DAoC player for many years I cannot for the life of me figure out how ppl can call cyrodiil being like it in any way apart from three factions and castles, There should be separate shards for every 5-10 lvls so that there is some sence of being able to help, the constant zerg or be eaten is boreing in any PVP system even worse when there is no decent way to do your own thing, In DAoC I did the zerg the 8 man and the solo but I always had option depending on how I wanted to play at any given time and ESO seems intent on touting play the way you want while taking away most of the options.

Now im sure this game will change a lot and I know theres a lot of stuff not in game for no other reason than the devs wanted a more immersion type feeling but the fact that they seem to have ignored the fast majority of players outside of the RPer to accomplish this leaves me cold since many of the basic MMO options are removed/dumbed down to the point of uselessness.

LonePirate

illipthgore wrote: »

If doing the PvE stuff all over again is the only way to lvl vet lvls I wont be subbing past the first month, I hate the non stop questing as the only way to lvl at a decent rate and if that's all you do again at 50 ill be bored long before that hell im bored out of my tree now, I can get my TES fix in morrowind/oblivion and skyrim, I still play all 3 and with mods that's my questing fix and single player content.

As for cyrodiil that place is a snore fest I spent all day from lvl 10 doing the quests I could find and didn't hit 11 until my second day there, the speed you die at low lvls makes it hard as a melee to gain kills the all players to 50 system is a cheap nasty WOW like uninspired way of doing things as the diff between a lvl 10s gear and a lvl 14s is quite noticeable so all you can do is join a group and hope they get kills for your bounty quest which makes me feel kinda cheap and useless.

There are veteran dungeons which can be repeated/grinded to earn points for increasing your veteran rank. The veteran dungeons offer new bosses and quests, I believe. Also, you're not replaying content. You are simply taking your character to the next counterclockwise zone and completing the content with a significantly ramped up difficulty level.

Also, there are PVE quests and dungeons in Cyrodiil which can be completed to increase your level. You do not simply need to rely on the PVP action and war board quests in order to level up in that zone.

Dixa

illipthgore wrote: »

If doing the PvE stuff all over again is the only way to lvl vet lvls I wont be subbing past the first month, I hate the non stop questing as the only way to lvl at a decent rate and if that's all you do again at 50 ill be bored long before that hell im bored out of my tree now, I can get my TES fix in morrowind/oblivion and skyrim, I still play all 3 and with mods that's my questing fix and single player content.

As for cyrodiil that place is a snore fest I spent all day from lvl 10 doing the quests I could find and didn't hit 11 until my second day there, the speed you die at low lvls makes it hard as a melee to gain kills the all players to 50 system is a cheap nasty WOW like uninspired way of doing things as the diff between a lvl 10s gear and a lvl 14s is quite noticeable so all you can do is join a group and hope they get kills for your bounty quest which makes me feel kinda cheap and useless.

As a DAoC player for many years I cannot for the life of me figure out how ppl can call cyrodiil being like it in any way apart from three factions and castles, There should be separate shards for every 5-10 lvls so that there is some sence of being able to help, the constant zerg or be eaten is boreing in any PVP system even worse when there is no decent way to do your own thing, In DAoC I did the zerg the 8 man and the solo but I always had option depending on how I wanted to play at any given time and ESO seems intent on touting play the way you want while taking away most of the options.

Now im sure this game will change a lot and I know theres a lot of stuff not in game for no other reason than the devs wanted a more immersion type feeling but the fact that they seem to have ignored the fast majority of players outside of the RPer to accomplish this leaves me cold since many of the basic MMO options are removed/dumbed down to the point of uselessness.

You don't do the same PVE content over and over, you do the other 2 factions content. Doing them will take you to vr10 and beyond.

and there is NO LOGICAL REASON why you would NOT want to do them. you do NOT get skill points for each vr rank at all, only a boost in stats. you are going to want to get all of the skyshards in the other two faction areas. there are over 300 skillpoints in the game. Your starting faction will net you just over 120 or so if you get every skyshard in your starting faction, the skyshards in your part of cyrodiil and do every dungeon.

you can't compare this game to daoc. this is not 2001. the people we have playing these games now were just young children or possibly not even BORN when daoc came out AND daoc was never that big of a success - it never even exceeded EQ1's peak sub count of 500,000. By today's standards that's not a runaway hit.

and many of you have rose colored glasses. yes, i enjoyed how my guild - sancti graal on igraine - owned every keep and all of the relics for the first 6 months after daoc launch. i enjoyed being that winner. But eventually the zerging got boring - just as it got boring in guild wars 2 for just about everyone. Then spellcrafting came in, then ToA (had a dagger that proc'd life stealing skulls that made my minstrel unkillable with less than a full group) then new frontiers in early 2004. 2003 was the last year DAOC was DAOC.

in 2001..hell in 2004...western workers weren't quite the slaves to their jobs as they are since the great recession. people have even LESS time to play these games than they did in 2001 or 2004. You can NOT compare a game that was designed around the old DIKU model to a game made today, and dont forget - the very first expansion for daoc added a ton of - yep - PVE content and NOTHING for pvp (except spellcrafting which just made op classes even more OP). MOST of your time in daoc was spent in pve, and you had a buffbot, and likely a crafting muel, and likely 2-3 boxed darkness falls to farm for crafting mats, etc.

illipthgore

LonePirate wrote: »

illipthgore wrote: »

If doing the PvE stuff all over again is the only way to lvl vet lvls I wont be subbing past the first month, I hate the non stop questing as the only way to lvl at a decent rate and if that's all you do again at 50 ill be bored long before that hell im bored out of my tree now, I can get my TES fix in morrowind/oblivion and skyrim, I still play all 3 and with mods that's my questing fix and single player content.

As for cyrodiil that place is a snore fest I spent all day from lvl 10 doing the quests I could find and didn't hit 11 until my second day there, the speed you die at low lvls makes it hard as a melee to gain kills the all players to 50 system is a cheap nasty WOW like uninspired way of doing things as the diff between a lvl 10s gear and a lvl 14s is quite noticeable so all you can do is join a group and hope they get kills for your bounty quest which makes me feel kinda cheap and useless.

There are veteran dungeons which can be repeated/grinded to earn points for increasing your veteran rank. The veteran dungeons offer new bosses and quests, I believe. Also, you're not replaying content. You are simply taking your character to the next counterclockwise zone and completing the content with a significantly ramped up difficulty level.

Also, there are PVE quests and dungeons in Cyrodiil which can be completed to increase your level. You do not simply need to rely on the PVP action and war board quests in order to level up in that zone.

Yea I get that but as I said, I hate PVE content in this game and the missing MMO features that made PvE tolerable in other MMOs and I wont be doing it,

Also I hate the forced to do over once you get 50 just to advance another poor lame way of keeping the mindless playing with no real good reason for it since they have so many options that they seem to avoid. The PvP at 50 idk about but im guessing its much of the same.

Dixa

illipthgore wrote: »

LonePirate wrote: »

illipthgore wrote: »

If doing the PvE stuff all over again is the only way to lvl vet lvls I wont be subbing past the first month, I hate the non stop questing as the only way to lvl at a decent rate and if that's all you do again at 50 ill be bored long before that hell im bored out of my tree now, I can get my TES fix in morrowind/oblivion and skyrim, I still play all 3 and with mods that's my questing fix and single player content.

As for cyrodiil that place is a snore fest I spent all day from lvl 10 doing the quests I could find and didn't hit 11 until my second day there, the speed you die at low lvls makes it hard as a melee to gain kills the all players to 50 system is a cheap nasty WOW like uninspired way of doing things as the diff between a lvl 10s gear and a lvl 14s is quite noticeable so all you can do is join a group and hope they get kills for your bounty quest which makes me feel kinda cheap and useless.

There are veteran dungeons which can be repeated/grinded to earn points for increasing your veteran rank. The veteran dungeons offer new bosses and quests, I believe. Also, you're not replaying content. You are simply taking your character to the next counterclockwise zone and completing the content with a significantly ramped up difficulty level.

Also, there are PVE quests and dungeons in Cyrodiil which can be completed to increase your level. You do not simply need to rely on the PVP action and war board quests in order to level up in that zone.

Yea I get that but as I said, I hate PVE content in this game and the missing MMO features that made PvE tolerable in other MMOs and I wont be doing it,

Also I hate the forced to do over once you get 50 just to advance another poor lame way of keeping the mindless playing with no real good reason for it since they have so many options that they seem to avoid. The PvP at 50 idk about but im guessing its much of the same.

that is your problem, and not a problem shared by the masses. you are in the minority. if you don't want to do pve or pvp, why in the hell are you even playing an mmorpg?

and it's not a FORCED DO OVER. you are not doing the EXACT SAME CONTENT a second or third time. you are exploring the other two factions. you won't be re-doing guild quests or the main story. what part of this is not clear to you that you typed that phrase a second time?

illipthgore

The reason I play a mage is to feel powerfull and weak, blowing lotsa stuff up at once from range and being knocked over by a stray twig its that balance that made PvE fun in DaoC and AC and AoC and even in the short time I played that WOW thing. All my morrowind/obl/skyrim adventures had that but this one hell even the first two did.

The reason im not playing DAoC anymore and why 85% of ppl left it was because of that very system of do over in the form of the ToA expansion which by its sheer implementation would have totally screwed up the whole game that we stuck through 3 years of nerfs to get to the point of near perfection, if you didn't have the ToA skills high lvl all your prevous work was for nothing as you couldn't PVP, AoC uses the same thing as that in the form of its do over content at 50 and because of the lack of any decent large scale PvP content.

the play the way you want is in need of a moto change, because they have thrown out so much and dumbed it down to a point that I a big fan am bored playing this game, I have never been bored playing any of the old games frustrated and lost esp in the early ones but never bored.

Simple things like talking to others in a MMO is a pain in the arse all because the devs who tout play the way you want don't want this or that cluttering up their screen so they are lying to us it should say play the way we want you to play.

circilion

There are some pretty strong opinions here from people who are either in the very begining stages of the game and character development, or players that blasted through the content to 50 and are not sure what game they are even playing as a result.

I myself enjoy the game for what it is, nothing is perfect. And if in 4 months if I decide to walk away from it or stay, it will be for reasons clearly understood.

TC3LL

Veakoth wrote: »

dude, took 47 hours for me and my friends to hit lvl 50, we got to vet and its going to take a bit over a day to get 1 level, wait till you get to veteran before you say its to hard.
veteran you cant even do alone unless you pro the basic mobs kill you. also you need to do basically every single quest in every zone to hit rank 10 vet since the mobs give you 42 exp and your target for lvl 2 vet is 425k

illipthgore

circilion wrote: »

There are some pretty strong opinions here from people who are either in the very begining stages of the game and character development, or players that blasted through the content to 50 and are not sure what game they are even playing as a result.

I myself enjoy the game for what it is, nothing is perfect. And if in 4 months if I decide to walk away from it or stay, it will be for reasons clearly understood.

Well since most games are something to someone and something else to others what exactly is it that the game is for you, some insight would be good, I mean ive never been the one to rush to end game just for the sake of it, hell in DaoC I played everyday and it took me years to get my first 50,

Mind you I was playing all 3 realms on diff servers for a few months at a time playing all the classes and finding my own favorites so for a game that was all about RvR for many myself included there was a lot of fun lvling and fighting mobs in different ways with groups and so on.

But in this game even early on I find myself more bored than I have been simply due to the lack of options, maybe having played the other titles in the series and having fav parts is a downside in this version.

Rapscallion74

Godofcheese wrote: »

What I am seeing/experiencing, I am completing all the zone stuff, "black/white" markers etc etc, stay on the roads to find more quests etc etc.
and I have searched Deshaan and Shadowfen thoroughly and Haven't found any more quests.

So I don't know what I am doing wrong ^^
My character might be bugged and my xp rates are off? haha

Did you check your journal to see how many incomplete quests there are? There are achievements for completing all the quests in a zone. For instance, while I was wrapping up stonefalls, I checked my achievement and it said I had only completed 67/69 quests.

I took a look at the map, and looked for any areas that looked a group of buildings, tents, as all the quests seem to be in either hubs or mini hubs. Lo and behold, there was an area of buildings that didn't have a marker and it ended up being the place where my two remaining quests were.

To recap, check you quest achievements to see how many quests were missed, and check your map for unexplored areas.

EDIT - Just noticed you said you were in Shadowfen, but did not see any mention of Deshaan. Can you confirm that you already completed Deshaan? Deshaan comes after Stonefalls.

TC3LL

47 hours to hit lvl 50, That is absolutely mind boggling! I thought I was a hardcore gamer, guess I still need to install chord jack into base of skull. I have played pretty much every mmo out there and I used to be a power leveler but I found that for me it totally killed the enjoyment of the game itself and always found myself as one of those bored, jaded players unsatisfied with paying a monthly fee to do so.
Its like when you feed a piece of juicy mouthwatering steak to a dog, they just inhale it instantly with no idea of how yummy it was. Nowadays it is actually a tribute I feel I owe the Developers and Artists that spent years of their lives creating something wonderful to take my time and enjoy what they have created Thank You so much guys for creating a game I totally lose myself in and care not about what lvl I am or how fast I get there. Keep up the Outstanding Job!

circilion

illipthgore wrote: »

But in this game even early on I find myself more bored than I have been simply due to the lack of options, maybe having played the other titles in the series and having fav parts is a downside in this version.

Oh man, I hear you there. I was crazy hyped for this game, as I have been a long time Elder Scrolls fan. I was a little disappointed to find it kinda "World of Warcrafty" albeit with far more innovation than that bread and butter game.

I think I had expected a lot more of Bethsada's developer flavour to come out in this game. But I suppose there is only so much you can do with an MMO, and the logistics of these things are far far beyond me.

illipthgore

circilion wrote: »

illipthgore wrote: »

But in this game even early on I find myself more bored than I have been simply due to the lack of options, maybe having played the other titles in the series and having fav parts is a downside in this version.

Oh man, I hear you there. I was crazy hyped for this game, as I have been a long time Elder Scrolls fan. I was a little disappointed to find it kinda "World of Warcrafty" albeit with far more innovation than that bread and butter game.

I think I had expected a lot more of Bethsada's developer flavour to come out in this game. But I suppose there is only so much you can do with an MMO, and the logistics of these things are far far beyond me.

I wish that was true but with their budget anything was possible, How ever it seems to me that they are wanting to make the first ever RP MMO only as most of my friends who like it are RPers.

Hell if a shoe string full of part time coders can bring a game like SWG back on a few grand a week and spare time between work/school RL in 5-7 years I had high hopes for this.