PvP Arena Request

xCLAYWIZARDx

I'm making this post because I love arena in WoW, and would like to see the same in this game, not only the imperial arena, but developers could make several arenas to represent each faction, updating and adding new arenas with each patch, Arena could also serve as good PvE content, pitting players against interesting fights, and new creatures each fight. If this was to be implemented I would like to see it updated with each patch.

Reignskream

Although i see in the future this could be, i feel we have to much to fix for the time being. Lets focus on what we have for now and perfect that, then worry about this stuff later on. MUCH, later on.

trhall2ub17_ESO

I would welcome an arena.

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Zerl

There was me wondering how long it would take the plague of the temporary forums to pop into the new forums.

Your post pretty much highlighted what is wrong with the Western Gaming Mentality...

Quantity does not equal quality!

The majority of people seem to rush through content, do the "endgame dungeon" then complain that they are bored. This then pushed the Developers to churn out more and more content to compensate.

All of the work that they did prior is then forgotten, which is a complete waste in my opinion.

You look at the games of old (e.g. Ragnarok Online, RF Online, etc) and they didn't have what we would identify as endgame content. They utilised the content that they had and added bosses and rare mobs that you had to look for.

The top level gear was not X weapon from Y Boss in Z Dungeon, it was an item that was customised and upgraded to match your requirements. Some of these items were available at low levels ONLY, so there was a need by the high rollers to engage in communication with "lowbies". The upgrading process (which I am grateful TESO has it) is a good money sink, that keeps the economy healthy.

I hope Zeni don't simply turn TESO into (another) WoW Clone. If I wanted that, I would have signed up to WoW directly.

Stx

I would really enjoy a small scale structured PvP option either in Cyrodiil or at specific locations around Tamriel. Structured PvP offers a more pure form of PvP, and gives the "upper echelon" of PvPers a more competitive environment to challenge each other in.

The gladiator Arena in the Imperial City, or the dueling arena in Vivec from Morrowind are two great examples of lore friendly arenas that would add a really fun feature to the game!

The main concerns that most players have when arguing against an Arena type system are that it may affect class balance in a negative way, or that it would take players out of Cyrodiil campaigns. The first is a legitimate concern, but I can easily see Zenimax implementing Arenas without making game breaking changes to the classes. Class balance is a good thing, and should be encouraged. More balance = better gameplay. The important thing is that each class is fun to play.

Dignam

I would love to have a small scale structured pvp battle. I loved the style used in GW1 for that. Sometimes you just dont feel like going out into the mass style of cyrodil, and no real "world pvp" so would be nice to be able to Q up for some small team stuff while out adventuring. Its a great change of pace.

sardu821

Zerl wrote: »

Your post pretty much highlighted what is wrong with the Western Gaming Mentality...

Its not so different in the east...

Squallleanhartb14_ESO

Here's for hoping that they don't add an arena based system... If you want BG's/Arena based systems with small numbers then play World of Warcraft imo...

I know I and A LOT of people playing this game think that TESO is epic due to the enormous battles in Cyrodill like oldschool DAOC.

sardu821

Stx wrote: »

I would really enjoy a small scale structured PvP option either in Cyrodiil or at specific locations around Tamriel. Structured PvP offers a more pure form of PvP, and gives the "upper echelon" of PvPers a more competitive environment to challenge each other in.

As an old DAoC player, I have to say that I liked the way they handled things (broadly speaking). You could technically wander out in the endgame rvr areas at just about any level. However, they had level bracketed battle grounds that started at a basic level with little to no objectives and added complexity to each bracket...effectively giving players a way to train and practice for the main event.

Demonic_Wrath

I really really hope they add an arena system! What's better than developing a strategy with your guildy or friend and working your way up to the top!? Plus if players had to reach End Game to participate it would give some players (like me) a great motivation giver! Don't get me wrong Cryodiil is awesome and I will keep participating in the large scale battles but due too the high player amount you may be ganked by multiple enemy's and have no chance for survival. Yes I know Cryodiil is greatly focus on strategy and having to regroup with others before you lay chaos onto your enemies. I would just recommend another pvp type...one where the most elite players play against each other in a small scale (1v1, 2v2, 3v3) battle.

Dignam

Squallleanhartb14_ESO wrote: »

Here's for hoping that they don't add an arena based system... If you want BG's/Arena based systems with small numbers then play World of Warcraft imo...

I know I and A LOT of people playing this game think that TESO is epic due to the enormous battles in Cyrodill like oldschool DAOC.

I feel the same about Cyrodill but these dont have to be mutually exclusive. I love this game, like the style, the combat, like it all, and really like Cyrodill. But I would still enjoy a small structured pvp arena to go in with friends occasionally.

kevlarto_ESO

I have to vote no on arena, I found every kind of pvp in Cryodiil, I hate to see ESO go the way of Warhammer, and Cryodiil end up a empty..

korkibucek

Personally I would like to see battleground style PvP implemented before arena. With 10v10 or 15v15 style battlegrounds offering a very different PvP experience to cyrodil.

This could pave the way to an arena style system.

Zerl

korkibucek wrote: »

Personally I would like to see battleground style PvP implemented before arena. With 10v10 or 15v15 style battlegrounds offering a very different PvP experience to cyrodil.

This could pave the way to an arena style system.

This is the thing I don't get...

You can have pretty much any type of PvP that you are after in Cyrodill. If you are determined to have some sort of structured PvP then why not try and arrange it within Cyrodill?

Post here and try and arrange some sort of structured PvP event. If it proves successful, then perhaps the Developers will take notice and perhaps add a feature.

I haven't taken part in PvP yet (but will definitely be part of it as I'm PvP-orientated), but through my time in Beta I took part in a nice variety of instances, ranging from solo ganking up to being part of a Zerg.

Mazdek

I did not participate in PvP much in SWTOR because I felt there was no point. Dying over and over again to accomplish... what? In ten minutes everything was reset and you move on to a new map. At least in the RvR model of ESO and DAoC, being professional cannon fodder lets you die for a cause. You can see what you helped achieve, or failed to.

Blood for the Pact!

Tr1cksh0t

I vote yes for arena
They should make it accessible at lv 10 and scale your stats up just like Cyrodill

Jake71887

Personally I hated the arenas in WoW, I'm int he camp that feels that unforgivably messed up PVP, but it's strange they don't have any considering The Elder Scrolls game's history.... Hopefully we get a PVE version, or a PVP one that doesn't supersede Cyrodiil.

Wolfaen

I would love to see Arenas added at some point. It would totally make sense in the lore for a TES game. PvE Arena battles with friends would be awesome as well as structured PvP Arenas. If it had to be one, I would be happy with either!

Maybe even a survival Arena where you see how long you can survive with your team against waves of creatures and enemies.

Jake71887

Wolfaen wrote: »

I would love to see Arenas added at some point. It would totally make sense in the lore for a TES game. PvE Arena battles with friends would be awesome as well as structured PvP Arenas. If it had to be one, I would be happy with either!

Maybe even a survival Arena where you see how long you can survive with your team against waves of creatures and enemies.

I like that last bit a lot, but I'm not sure how well it could be implemented.

adal8807b14_ESO

Well, I love the idea of Arenas. In WoW they were great, it was a new level of competition and a way to get really good gear in the game.

If Elder Scrolls Online does incorporate something like this there needs to be something different. I personally don't think the model WoW used would fit ESO.

My suggestion would be to have a Olympic style competition. For instance, lets say all arenas are 3v3, you have 6-7 different kinds of arenas, one could be 3v3 capture the flag, or domination, hold the deadric artifact to gain points, secure a point to gain points, TDM, etc. And there are leaderboards for all the different types of arenas. And the end of the Olympic/Campaign period the number one teams get some sort of Elder Scrolls centered reward ( could be a boat load of alliance points, chests with gear, rare deadric artifacts, etc) and the top ten all get smaller prizes while the top 100 get a small amount of alliance points.

To sum my point up, I just think it would be extremely appealing to incorporate different PvP modes for small groups that actually distinguish the best for what they accomplished in a month or two month time period. The only thing i fear is that this will bring about rewards that you can only get doing these modes. I think if arena style game modes are incorporated the rewards need to be things that are in line with other rewards and also have stats that are balanced. Cosmeticly go crazy lol but stats wise id suggest keeping it extremely general so you arent forcing people to arena to get the best gear..

My second suggestion would be to incorporate some sort of casual pvp.

Edit: This is going to be quick, going back to Oblivion days, I think 1v1 arenas would be extremely appealing. Pit one person against another in some Colosseum that gets bigger and more populated as you advance up the ranks. Maybe you could even incorporate an anonymous gambling system so you can bet on the matches. Either way 1v1 duels that have structure and a leaderboard and their own separate community would be amazing. I hate the 1v1 open world duels that mean nothing. A random but structured dueling system with ranks and with its own rewards and leaderboards would be amazing.

Sample

Add Arena and you lose me. I do not want to hear "1v1 me @ Vivec bro" in this game ever. I will stop playing. People will quit doing Cyrodil if you implement this and that's why I'm playing your game. Structured PvP already exists in a plethora of titles. If these players want Arena let them travel to Azeroth, there are entire guilds and gaming communities that left those games because they ruined the massive aspect of MMO PvP.

There is nothing massively multiplayer about deathmatch player versus player.

NordJitsu

Sample wrote: »

Add Arena and you lose me. I do not want to hear "1v1 me @ Vivec bro" in this game ever. I will stop playing. People will quit doing Cyrodil if you implement this and that's why I'm playing your game. Structured PvP already exists in a plethora of titles. If these players want Arena let them travel to Azeroth, there are entire guilds and gaming communities that left those games because they ruined the massive aspect of MMO PvP.

There is nothing massively multiplayer about deathmatch player versus player.

Why would more features bother you? Just ignore it.

An Oblivion style Arena would be great for this game.

CrispZ

id love to see pvp and pve arenas there was arena in other elder scrolls too so it will fit all you people mentioning wow it was in oblivion i believe but make it like 2v2 or something because eventually people may get bored of cyrodiil.
Im not saying they will because im loving it for now im just saying its early days and its good to think of new game types maybe on a smaller scale.
This is the best way for longevity in a game cater for every sort of player.
Ok you've mentioned wow so i may as well go ahead that game has been going how ever long they didn't manage that off just having 1 pvp ground they broadened it into a bunch.
Same with pve yes some people may call it bad and i agree but there most probably still holding 5 mill subs yes it dropped down alot due to cataclysm and mists of pandaria but that's still alot you shouldn't be going for quantity or quality in anything it should be your 100% every time if you want a successful game.
Maybe in reading this you may disagree but this is just my opinion and if you want to post calling me names go ahead i wont lose no sleep over it i am just saying what i believe anyway if you managed to read it all good job lol.

Sorry for the wall of text haha

tengri

Small scale, organized PvP? I smell the foul stench of MLG all over this. No, keep them away from ruining yet another game with all their "competitive ideas".

Kiash

The day this game adds arenas is the day I lose faith in ESO. It's really that simple for me.

The last thing we need is another MMO with the BOOM HEADSHOT FPS crowd destroying every community they touch.

To each their own, this is just how I feel.

steveyoungworkb16_ESO

We need this type of system as a lot of people like them..

Faber

You like arena? Go wow or swtor. Its worst thing that could happen to mmo like eso. Read what Blizzard writes about arena. Its first step lose balance in game and to destroy large scale pvp. It happened in wow. I was playing arenas alot and was sick cause of all the class changes and rotations. Dont do any arena.

Psionyxz

I think the naysayers may be taking this too far in thinking it would kill Cyrodil's AvA.
I really don't think it would.

As an avid PvPer, the MMO I spent a lot of my time in was (unsurprisingly) WoW.

I loved all forms of PvP, but I was always wishing we had WAY more OWPvP. It was non-existent because people had no reasons to stay in the leveling areas once they were done leveling. OWPvP became who can gank the lowbie. Even in daily areas people would avoid fights because they just wanted to finish their dailies in peace.

ESO doesn't have that problem because Cyrodil already exists.

I've seen other posts about people wanting more intimate PvP where it isn't about who can throw their numbers around the most. Don't get me wrong, Cyrodil is what I've been craving from PvP for a long time, but having a way to gauge your skills in small scale skirmishes and arenas is just another form of PvP to get good at.

It's not about who gets the jump on who or who has more numbers.
It's you and few others starting on a level playing field. You have to have a different kind of coordination with your teammates than you do in large scale battles. CC chaining is so satisfying when you can successfully complete it. On the opposing side, ruining that chain with a Purify or the like could win the skirmish for you. It's more mind games and requires you to outplay your opponents on a level I don't feel is possible with a zerg of randoms.

I don't think that you can have that level of "intimacy" with the current state of things in Cyrodil. I love Cyrodil the way it is and I don't want it to change. Another solution would be to offer some form of arena or battleground for those that prefer it or even just want a break from Cyrodil.

For players that love PvE they have a fair amount of variance for what they could do at any given moment. For PvPers, we have Cyrodil. Even if things never changed, I would still love this game, but I feel all PvPers could benefit from another form of PvP to partake in.

Ovidius

No interest in small scale PvP at all.
The purpose of the game is to conquer Cyrodiil for your faction and I don't really see how having gladiatorial games helps in that endeavor.

Now if there aren't any rewards for doing such meaningless things then fine, that is how it should be. Right now you get rewarded for fighting in Cyrodiil and that is how it should stay. There should be no alliance points gained nor equipment awarded for doing battlegrounds or arenas if they are ever implemented because it does nothing to further the war effort of your alliance. Personally I hope they aren't added.

Psionyxz

Ovidius wrote: »

No interest in small scale PvP at all.
The purpose of the game is to conquer Cyrodiil for your faction and I don't really see how having gladiatorial games helps in that endeavor.

Now if there aren't any rewards for doing such meaningless things then fine, that is how it should be. Right now you get rewarded for fighting in Cyrodiil and that is how it should stay. There should be no alliance points gained nor equipment awarded for doing battlegrounds or arenas if they are ever implemented because it does nothing to further the war effort of your alliance. Personally I hope they aren't added.

In that respect I could agree. For me personally, just being able to gauge my personal ability against others is enough. I would go as far as to say titles or cosmetics would be ok too, but that is not how it would work.

I can say, with a good amount of certainty, that it would never stay that way. With the way people go on about having everything equal (from xp gains to gold gains, etc) they would want to be able to achieve the same things through all forms of PvP. I feel that even if we (the players that want Arenas) got our way, the crying wouldn't stop there.