Do you think PvP should have role buffs & debuffs?

BenTSG

Lets make this a poll for ZoS to see the numbers
(Although I have doubts they'll actually care, it'll be fun to see responses anyways)

So I had a thought, what if PvP played on roles a little more and gave them buffs and debuffs? Something like, when Battle Spirit is active, Tanks have uncapped HP and armour, capped damage, and can only self heal (maybe at a slight cap). DD's could have a cap on HP and armour, no damage cap, but can only self heal (maybe a little less then tank), and Healer's might have capped HP, uncapped armour, but have uncapped healing and can cross heal. Roles can be changed inside a unflagged keep or home base.

'Course, these are all hyperthetical ideas for what sort of buffs and debuffs each role could get and not at all a hard "This should be it", just something as an example for the concept. So, do you think PvP should include role based buffs and debuffs?

(Forgive any mistakes, I'm having to use the 'Full Site' on my phone so ce apparently polls don't work on mobile version of the site, and I'm bored at work)

AstroST

Have you been in Cyro recently?
Is just people usinge those proc sets.
Yesterday there was an entire group of sorcs with the cheesy build.

In my opinion PVP in ESO is just dead.

BenTSG

AstroST wrote: »

Have you been in Cyro recently?
Is just people usinge those proc sets.
Yesterday there was an entire group of sorcs with the cheesy build.

In my opinion PVP in ESO is just dead.

I have, and unfortunately I'd have to agree with you on that. PvP is a state. Ravenwatch is fun, though pretty quiet it seems which sucks. I don't trust ZoS to ever make a proper attempt at balance outside of skills and new sets that never fix the problem, but it's at least fun to see what people think about things, if nothing else

Artim_X

No, I disagree with the concept.

PvP is like solo arenas, you should build with all three roles in mind, while being mindful that going too far in any one direction can have negative consequences (ex: tanky without damage, high damage but made of paper, strong heals/utility but need a group to shine, etc.)

Turtle_Bot

No, I disagree with the concept.

No, there doesn't need to be specific roles (and associated buffs/debuffs) applied to PvP.

What needs to happen is the classes be brought closer together in terms of power while keeping their strengths and weaknesses so that we have a true rock, paper, scissors meta like we used to have 6 years ago where 1 week sorc was king for its mobility until more nb logged in and outright burst the sorcs down, but then the following week people would log into dk to tank through nb burst then the week after that would be plars to out heal and counter the dks then the following week was sorcs again for their mobility to beat plars.

It kept the meta fresh and fun since you were always up against different classes and at times you would be ahead of the meta and wreck everyone then next minute you were behind and getting wrecked.

Now its just DK ahead of every other class except NB and every other class is just masters DW and vate destro since that specific proc combo is the only way the other classes can keep up.

edward_frigidhands

No, I disagree with the concept.

This goes against the core idea of the game.

Its been almost a decade since the game has been out and it has grown around the original core concept of play how you want rather than having strict roles and a class system.

Now is too late to be changing that for just about nothing to gain and a lot to lose.

There is already balance in the sense you have to make choices between defense, offense and sustain.

OBJnoob

No, I disagree with the concept.

I don't want to have debuffs imposed, but the act of character creation should force choices that would emulate this request anyway. And it does not. I do agree that this is a problem.

Main culprit? Healing scaling with weapon damage. The person who does the most damage also heals for the most and that's pretty dumb in my opinion.

DrNukenstein

I think they can achieve the same results less intrusively by reducing base stats through battle spirit while leaving invested stats unadjusted.

edward_frigidhands

No, I disagree with the concept.

DrNukenstein wrote: »

I think they can achieve the same results less intrusively by reducing base stats through battle spirit while leaving invested stats unadjusted.

Adjusting stats differently for PvP and further dividing how PvP and PvE function is bad game design and will lead to 2 isolated games that continue to bend away from each other and are difficult to keep up with balancing.

ZOS does not have the resources to do this and neither should they because the results are not going to be conducive to having a complete connected game that people want to play.

If there is an issue, the best way to address it is through introduction of new sets or balancing of the ones that exist. The solutions need to be targeted rather than blanket bandage fixes that break more than they fix.

Marcus684

No, I disagree with the concept.

I'm not a fan of the strict DD/tank/healer roles and don't want to see it imposed on PvP. I'd rather ZOS do a better job designing around the idea that you have to sacrifice survivability to increase damage output and vice versa.

Amottica

No, I disagree with the concept.

It would not make sense because ESO does not have true roles in PvP. This is not that type of game.

I am so glad this game is not ridged like WoW and FF14.

DrNukenstein

edward_frigidhands wrote: »

Adjusting stats differently for PvP and further dividing how PvP and PvE function is bad game design and will lead to 2 isolated games that continue to bend away from each other and are difficult to keep up with balancing.

ZOS does not have the resources to do this and neither should they because the results are not going to be conducive to having a complete connected game that people want to play.

If there is an issue, the best way to address it is through introduction of new sets or balancing of the ones that exist. The solutions need to be targeted rather than blanket bandage fixes that break more than they fix.

I'm gonna have to contend that point.

We get so many free stats. Which is great for PVE/single player purposes. Before making any exclusive build decisions, a levelled toon with unlocked passives and relevant cp has about 60% of a full damage dealers damage if they choose to do it. They also have comfortable pools for doing that damage. Since tool tip increases are linear, and scaling isn't great players in PVP are incentivized to push their damage to a particular margin then put everything else into anything else. If this isn't the root of the tank/do it all meta, then it's at least very close to it.

Now what if everyone's free 15k mag/stam, 1000 damage, and 500 sustain was cut in half? Well, everyone would have to specialize to do anything. You would need points in your pools and a sustain investment to not run out of juice after 6 seconds of fighting. You would need more than Markyn and Rallying Cry to do damage on any class. You could still be immortal, but you wouldn't have the oomph to turn tables on anyone. An adjustment like that could totally be tied to battle spirit, and would greatly increase the expression of build decisions which IMO is what PVP is all about.

edward_frigidhands

No, I disagree with the concept.

DrNukenstein wrote: »

edward_frigidhands wrote: »

Adjusting stats differently for PvP and further dividing how PvP and PvE function is bad game design and will lead to 2 isolated games that continue to bend away from each other and are difficult to keep up with balancing.

ZOS does not have the resources to do this and neither should they because the results are not going to be conducive to having a complete connected game that people want to play.

If there is an issue, the best way to address it is through introduction of new sets or balancing of the ones that exist. The solutions need to be targeted rather than blanket bandage fixes that break more than they fix.

I'm gonna have to contend that point.

Stats need to be uniform across both PvP and PvE. If you feel that they need to be adjusted then alright that should be the discussion. Having entire different stat sheets for PvP and PvE is a pandora's box that ZOS devs and the players that remain are not prepared for.