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Pillar of Nirn Nerf (Patch 40)
LokiPagan
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They're nerfing 22% of the damage.
So...what do y'all think the new meta set will be?
So...what do y'all think the new meta set will be?
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LokiPagan✭✭✭✭
Surprisingly, not every player is an arcanist. Shocking, I know.Azureblight or Deadly, same as now, because the meta class is arcanist not DK.
I knew it.SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »ashen grip
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sarahthes✭✭✭✭✭
✭boi_anachronism_ wrote: »
Yeah but right now meta comp is a ZenDK (with or without kosh), an EC cro, a MK spec, and 5 parse arcanists. One of them may have to run Zena's.
The support DDs will all run a trial set as their second set or they miss out on Minor Slayer, so they wouldn't have been running Pillar anyway.Edited by sarahthes on September 19, 2023 4:48PM4 -
Twohothardware✭✭✭✭✭
✭Pillar of Nirn will still be a solid choice just because of how easy it is to use.7 -
Dr_Con✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Aegis Caller + Whorl probably. Aegis Caller was always non-inferior in terms of damage, but the issue is that the mobs could walk out of it.1 -
Necrotech_Master✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Aegis Caller + Whorl probably. Aegis Caller was always non-inferior in terms of damage, but the issue is that the mobs could walk out of it.
yeah thats always the problem i had with aegis, i liked the set, the fun graphics with the spinny arm guy, but it was too easy for mobs to avoid like any other ground dot
me personally ill probably still stick with pillar unless i notice my dmg changes too much then ill look for a replacement setplays PC/NA
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boi_anachronism_✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭boi_anachronism_ wrote: »
Yeah but right now meta comp is a ZenDK (with or without kosh), an EC cro, a MK spec, and 5 parse arcanists. One of them may have to run Zena's.
The support DDs will all run a trial set as their second set or they miss out on Minor Slayer, so they wouldn't have been running Pillar anyway.
Lol no one should be running kosh anymore. Crimson is a way better set choice. Things have been shuffled around quite a bit with support sets since mt has no reason to wear yolo.
At the end of the day it plain funny to me that people compare the two. Dk has remained a pillar through patch after patch while other classes were gutted. Arc will be nerfed, my guess would be early next year
Its how it goes, the only question really is how badly. Necro and warden were devastated by their class nerf and necro arguably never recovered at release they were powerhouse classes as well. When that happens dk will simply float back to the top as it always does. Its basically the only constant in this game.
It was honestly nice to not have them be the uber meta dps/dps support/tank class for a minute.
My prediction just based on skills and passives is that they will end up in more of a support capacity down the road.. because what are they gonna nerf? Damage. There damage is beam. If they nerf that welp its suddenly a lot less viable as a dd class because they got no other hard hitting damage skills.Edited by boi_anachronism_ on September 19, 2023 11:15PM1 -
WrathOfInnos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Twohothardware wrote: »Pillar of Nirn will still be a solid choice just because of how easy it is to use.
This. And with the change to a 2pc crit bonus this is barely a nerf overall. I’m expecting to see about 0.5% DPS loss on stamina Nirn builds, and Magicka builds should see a slight increase in damage.6 -
Tenthirty2✭✭✭✭✭
✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »Twohothardware wrote: »Pillar of Nirn will still be a solid choice just because of how easy it is to use.
This. And with the change to a 2pc crit bonus this is barely a nerf overall. I’m expecting to see about 0.5% DPS loss on stamina Nirn builds, and Magicka builds should see a slight increase in damage.
I really hope this is the case cuz I was a bit crestfallen when I read about the nirn nerf. I recently got enough pieces for the 5-pc bonus for my stam build and am LOVING this set.
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Dr_Con✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭boi_anachronism_ wrote: »boi_anachronism_ wrote: »
Yeah but right now meta comp is a ZenDK (with or without kosh), an EC cro, a MK spec, and 5 parse arcanists. One of them may have to run Zena's.
The support DDs will all run a trial set as their second set or they miss out on Minor Slayer, so they wouldn't have been running Pillar anyway.
Lol no one should be running kosh anymore. Crimson is a way better set choice. Things have been shuffled around quite a bit with support sets since mt has no reason to wear yolo.
At the end of the day it plain funny to me that people compare the two. Dk has remained a pillar through patch after patch while other classes were gutted. Arc will be nerfed, my guess would be early next year
Its how it goes, the only question really is how badly. Necro and warden were devastated by their class nerf and necro arguably never recovered at release they were powerhouse classes as well. When that happens dk will simply float back to the top as it always does. Its basically the only constant in this game.
It was honestly nice to not have them be the uber meta dps/dps support/tank class for a minute.
My prediction just based on skills and passives is that they will end up in more of a support capacity down the road.. because what are they gonna nerf? Damage. There damage is beam. If they nerf that welp its suddenly a lot less viable as a dd class because they got no other hard hitting damage skills.
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sarahthes✭✭✭✭✭
✭boi_anachronism_ wrote: »boi_anachronism_ wrote: »
Yeah but right now meta comp is a ZenDK (with or without kosh), an EC cro, a MK spec, and 5 parse arcanists. One of them may have to run Zena's.
The support DDs will all run a trial set as their second set or they miss out on Minor Slayer, so they wouldn't have been running Pillar anyway.
Lol no one should be running kosh anymore. Crimson is a way better set choice. Things have been shuffled around quite a bit with support sets since mt has no reason to wear yolo.
Zena's is only good in fights where you have to stack inside its radius. While that covers a lot of fights, it doesn't cover 100% of fights and it definitely doesn't cover fights where the group splits but stay in range of Yoln proc.
Crimson has a shorter radius/range than Alkosh. So again, it is superior in some fights but not others - for example in my PB group, we run kosh on Bahsei as Crimson was not reliably hitting the Aboms (arc beam reaches further than crimson, so cleave is still really good). We run Crimson on the other bosses.
Crimson also does not offer as much pen as Alkosh. So if you run crimson, then any non arcanist dds need to run pen CP plus 2 light to reach pen cap. In a casual group especially, where players aren't taking that into consideration, Alkosh is superior because it's easier for the entire group to be at pen cap.
Also, I see so many groups dropping Yoln and running double sax instead of crimson, to increase major force uptimes or allow for a barrier instead of a horn. You would need Alkosh in these cases as well.2 -
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✭boi_anachronism_ wrote: »boi_anachronism_ wrote: »
Yeah but right now meta comp is a ZenDK (with or without kosh), an EC cro, a MK spec, and 5 parse arcanists. One of them may have to run Zena's.
The support DDs will all run a trial set as their second set or they miss out on Minor Slayer, so they wouldn't have been running Pillar anyway.
Lol no one should be running kosh anymore. Crimson is a way better set choice. Things have been shuffled around quite a bit with support sets since mt has no reason to wear yolo.
Zena's is only good in fights where you have to stack inside its radius. While that covers a lot of fights, it doesn't cover 100% of fights and it definitely doesn't cover fights where the group splits but stay in range of Yoln proc.
Crimson has a shorter radius/range than Alkosh. So again, it is superior in some fights but not others - for example in my PB group, we run kosh on Bahsei as Crimson was not reliably hitting the Aboms (arc beam reaches further than crimson, so cleave is still really good). We run Crimson on the other bosses.
Crimson also does not offer as much pen as Alkosh. So if you run crimson, then any non arcanist dds need to run pen CP plus 2 light to reach pen cap. In a casual group especially, where players aren't taking that into consideration, Alkosh is superior because it's easier for the entire group to be at pen cap.
Also, I see so many groups dropping Yoln and running double sax instead of crimson, to increase major force uptimes or allow for a barrier instead of a horn. You would need Alkosh in these cases as well.
So how about CrimZen? (Yes, i had to do it..)"I don't know who you are, but i will find you and i will rob you." - Liam Thiefsson3 -
sarahthes✭✭✭✭✭
✭boi_anachronism_ wrote: »boi_anachronism_ wrote: »
Yeah but right now meta comp is a ZenDK (with or without kosh), an EC cro, a MK spec, and 5 parse arcanists. One of them may have to run Zena's.
The support DDs will all run a trial set as their second set or they miss out on Minor Slayer, so they wouldn't have been running Pillar anyway.
Lol no one should be running kosh anymore. Crimson is a way better set choice. Things have been shuffled around quite a bit with support sets since mt has no reason to wear yolo.
Zena's is only good in fights where you have to stack inside its radius. While that covers a lot of fights, it doesn't cover 100% of fights and it definitely doesn't cover fights where the group splits but stay in range of Yoln proc.
Crimson has a shorter radius/range than Alkosh. So again, it is superior in some fights but not others - for example in my PB group, we run kosh on Bahsei as Crimson was not reliably hitting the Aboms (arc beam reaches further than crimson, so cleave is still really good). We run Crimson on the other bosses.
Crimson also does not offer as much pen as Alkosh. So if you run crimson, then any non arcanist dds need to run pen CP plus 2 light to reach pen cap. In a casual group especially, where players aren't taking that into consideration, Alkosh is superior because it's easier for the entire group to be at pen cap.
Also, I see so many groups dropping Yoln and running double sax instead of crimson, to increase major force uptimes or allow for a barrier instead of a horn. You would need Alkosh in these cases as well.
So how about CrimZen? (Yes, i had to do it..)
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virtus753✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I'd seen the patch note before, but I have to admit I'm still very confused by the phrase "seen it pull ahead." Nirn became meta without it having been changed. It became meta because everything else was nerfed so much that procs sets were the best thing left. (This was before Arcanist.)
Nirn didn't "pull ahead" of anything. Everything else was nerfed so it fell behind. The process of curbing anything that stands out is a result of continuously "lowering their standards" for damage (their phrase, not mine). It severely impairs the class-specific power fantasies they claim they want to offer when 1) generic sets are left as the go-to for damage and 2) everything outstanding gets curbed to fit ever-lower standards rather than the standards feeling both powerful and unique to each class.18 -
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✭✭✭@virtus753 agreed. Nirn was always a consistently good set. I remember using it in PVP before it became PVE meta. Then once they put in the crit cap, Nirn was a better group option than formerly powerful sets like AY and Mother's Sorrow.
The fact that they are comparing it to Viper's and Unleashed in baffling, though. Those sets are trash, so who cares that Nirn is better. Terror was moderately useful in PVP when paired with the original Crimson Twilight on a werewolf, but then they wrecked Crimson and werewolves.
The funny part is by changing Nirn, they are intentionally trying to make Aegis Caller the new Nirn, so Aegis Caller will be next up on the chopping block. Although, I am still using Nirn because Aegis requires a martial melee attack to proc, where Nirn does not, which works better on the Arcanist, which Nirn is ideal for. So, good job, devs.
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virtus753✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭El_Borracho wrote: »@virtus753 agreed. Nirn was always a consistently good set. I remember using it in PVP before it became PVE meta. Then once they put in the crit cap, Nirn was a better group option than formerly powerful sets like AY and Mother's Sorrow.
The fact that they are comparing it to Viper's and Unleashed in baffling, though. Those sets are trash, so who cares that Nirn is better. Terror was moderately useful in PVP when paired with the original Crimson Twilight on a werewolf, but then they wrecked Crimson and werewolves.
The funny part is by changing Nirn, they are intentionally trying to make Aegis Caller the new Nirn, so Aegis Caller will be next up on the chopping block. Although, I am still using Nirn because Aegis requires a martial melee attack to proc, where Nirn does not, which works better on the Arcanist, which Nirn is ideal for. So, good job, devs.
Speaking of Aegis Caller, I suppose we shouldn't mention the fact that it still doesn't drop weapons it should, severely limiting build possibilities for no good reason. Apparently none of us can bash and there's no such thing as a class or guild melee skill that does martial damage...?
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MidniteOwl1913✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭And people wonder why I hate updates. There is *never* enough good to compensate for the bad!
I'm just so tired of having to retune after every update. I'd really rather just focus on other things. Like having fun.
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Morgaledh✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »Twohothardware wrote: »Pillar of Nirn will still be a solid choice just because of how easy it is to use.
This. And with the change to a 2pc crit bonus this is barely a nerf overall. I’m expecting to see about 0.5% DPS loss on stamina Nirn builds, and Magicka builds should see a slight increase in damage.
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francesinhalover✭✭✭✭✭
✭They're nerfing 22% of the damage.
So...what do y'all think the new meta set will be?
the crit chance makes up for at least 5?% of the dmg nerf. that being said set will still be really usefull on parses.I am @fluffypallascat pc eu if someone wants to play together
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