Make Crowns Tradable ..

Eliran

Disclaimer: I am in no way shape or form support RMT.

Crown selling was huge benefit in ESO in my opinion, it was the "legit way" to buy/sell gold + ZoS earned money out of it as people actually had to buy the crowns, while players who lacked the funds benefited from it as they got to have the items they want from the crown stores by paying gold for it.

No Crown was stolen, why limit what we can do with them within the game borders? just make them tradable currency or make people able to sell crown items for Gold, much the same as another MMO who sell Tokens for subscriptions which people can buy with the in game currency.

I get that there where a lot of scams, however ... as many know, you can't stop people from committing illegal actions, and doing this so, will prevent scammers from scamming.

The so called people who bought crowns to sell them, will now buy gold from other and more "illegal" ways that won't benefit the players nor ZoS = everyone losses.

Crowns aren't stolen currency, people can only earn them by legit way of paying ZoS, aka Subscriptions or directly buying them.

What I am saying is, instead of fighting it, use it to everyone advantage and legalize the market.

Doing so will make people more safe, players will get what they want, people who need gold and don't mind paying for it will get it legit way, and above all, ZoS will earn all the profits from it, which means everyone benefit from it as more budget to improve the game and make content better.

I really don't see any worthy downside to this change.

And if you really want to combat inflation, make crown items/gold trades taxable by % of the gold, aka 10% or whatever, will be a really nice way to the gold pool in the game.

XSTRONG

They should have a Crown trading page in crownstore, it would get rid of all scam players and zos can more easily go threw the crown sellings better to notice suspect behavior

sarahthes

Eliran wrote: »

Disclaimer: I am in no way shape or form support RMT.

Crown selling was huge benefit in ESO in my opinion, it was the "legit way" to buy/sell gold + ZoS earned money out of it as people actually had to buy the crowns, while players who lacked the funds benefited from it as they got to have the items they want from the crown stores by paying gold for it.

No Crown was stolen, why limit what we can do with them within the game borders? just make them tradable currency or make people able to sell crown items for Gold, much the same as another MMO who sell Tokens for subscriptions which people can buy with the in game currency.

I get that there where a lot of scams, however ... as many know, you can't stop people from committing illegal actions, and doing this so, will prevent scammers from scamming.

The so called people who bought crowns to sell them, will now buy gold from other and more "illegal" ways that won't benefit the players nor ZoS = everyone losses.

Crowns aren't stolen currency, people can only earn them by legit way of paying ZoS, aka Subscriptions or directly buying them.

What I am saying is, instead of fighting it, use it to everyone advantage and legalize the market.

Doing so will make people more safe, players will get what they want, people who need gold and don't mind paying for it will get it legit way, and above all, ZoS will earn all the profits from it, which means everyone benefit from it as more budget to improve the game and make content better.

I really don't see any worthy downside to this change.

And if you really want to combat inflation, make crown items/gold trades taxable by % of the gold, aka 10% or whatever, will be a really nice way to the gold pool in the game.

Your suggestion does nothing to stop fraud from the crown purchasers themselves, i.e. using stolen credit cards and/or initiating chargebacks after they've completed all their trades.

rpa

When I last time did a purchase in ESO website store with my debt card (chapter from sale I think) I had to enter a code sent to my phone for verification. (And that part was all black on black, so I had to guess what was going on and select text to highlight it to see what I was doing but I do prefer the annoying buggy clunkiness of it all to someone else doing purchases with my debit.) My bank supports that feature. I don't know how vendor side works but its getting more common with my net purchases.

majulook

sarahthes wrote: »

Eliran wrote: »

Disclaimer: I am in no way shape or form support RMT.

Crown selling was huge benefit in ESO in my opinion, it was the "legit way" to buy/sell gold + ZoS earned money out of it as people actually had to buy the crowns, while players who lacked the funds benefited from it as they got to have the items they want from the crown stores by paying gold for it.

No Crown was stolen, why limit what we can do with them within the game borders? just make them tradable currency or make people able to sell crown items for Gold, much the same as another MMO who sell Tokens for subscriptions which people can buy with the in game currency.

I get that there where a lot of scams, however ... as many know, you can't stop people from committing illegal actions, and doing this so, will prevent scammers from scamming.

The so called people who bought crowns to sell them, will now buy gold from other and more "illegal" ways that won't benefit the players nor ZoS = everyone losses.

Crowns aren't stolen currency, people can only earn them by legit way of paying ZoS, aka Subscriptions or directly buying them.

What I am saying is, instead of fighting it, use it to everyone advantage and legalize the market.

Doing so will make people more safe, players will get what they want, people who need gold and don't mind paying for it will get it legit way, and above all, ZoS will earn all the profits from it, which means everyone benefit from it as more budget to improve the game and make content better.

I really don't see any worthy downside to this change.

And if you really want to combat inflation, make crown items/gold trades taxable by % of the gold, aka 10% or whatever, will be a really nice way to the gold pool in the game.

Your suggestion does nothing to stop fraud from the crown purchasers themselves, i.e. using stolen credit cards and/or initiating chargebacks after they've completed all their trades.

There are 3 issue ZOS has --

Issue 1- Thieves thought: "why would anyone buy 1500 crowns for $15USD when they can buy 5000 crowns worth of GOLD for $15USD on a 3rd party site out of reach from ZoS influence?"

Issue 2- In the US 5500 Crowns cost $39.99 USD, while in other countries 5500 Crowns in that countries currency are sold for less using the exchange rate of the USD, than the USD cost in the US Crown store. So thieves were buying in the less cost countries and selling the Crowns online to players in the US for less than the US Crown store.

Issue 3- Crown purchasers themselves, i.e. using stolen credit cards and/or initiating chargebacks after they've completed all their trades

All of issues are likely why the gold-to-crowncrate exchange was stopped.

TybaltKaine

You can solve all of these problems by getting rid of the crown store and making this stuff earnable/purchasable in game with gold.

Then focus on gold sellers (good luck) and get back to making a quality game.

EDIT: Make dungeon DLC's a direct purchase option like Chapters are. Making players jump through the extra hoop of buying Crowns to get DLC is scummy.

brylars

The point is to maximize earnings for ZOS conveniencing the crown traders does not do that.

thehilanderb14a_ESO

TybaltKaine wrote: »

You can solve all of these problems by getting rid of the crown store and making this stuff earnable/purchasable in game with gold.

Then focus on gold sellers (good luck) and get back to making a quality game.

EDIT: Make dungeon DLC's a direct purchase option like Chapters are. Making players jump through the extra hoop of buying Crowns to get DLC is scummy.

This solution would necessitate changing the entire game model away from microtransactions. ZoS isn’t going to completely gut their business model by removing the Crown store.

kargen27

TybaltKaine wrote: »

You can solve all of these problems by getting rid of the crown store and making this stuff earnable/purchasable in game with gold.

Then focus on gold sellers (good luck) and get back to making a quality game.

EDIT: Make dungeon DLC's a direct purchase option like Chapters are. Making players jump through the extra hoop of buying Crowns to get DLC is scummy.

Are you willing to go back to a subscription based game to make this happen?

thehilanderb14a_ESO

kargen27 wrote: »

TybaltKaine wrote: »

You can solve all of these problems by getting rid of the crown store and making this stuff earnable/purchasable in game with gold.

Then focus on gold sellers (good luck) and get back to making a quality game.

EDIT: Make dungeon DLC's a direct purchase option like Chapters are. Making players jump through the extra hoop of buying Crowns to get DLC is scummy.

Are you willing to go back to a subscription based game to make this happen?

Just going to a “sub only” model wouldn’t be enough to make up for the revenue stream that the Crown store generates.

TaSheen

kargen27 wrote: »

TybaltKaine wrote: »

You can solve all of these problems by getting rid of the crown store and making this stuff earnable/purchasable in game with gold.

Then focus on gold sellers (good luck) and get back to making a quality game.

EDIT: Make dungeon DLC's a direct purchase option like Chapters are. Making players jump through the extra hoop of buying Crowns to get DLC is scummy.

Are you willing to go back to a subscription based game to make this happen?

I would. I have always subbed the MMOs I've played - if i'm having fun, then I'm happy to pay for the fun. When it's not fun, I not only quit paying, I quit the game (and I don't post on forums for games I no longer play....)

I'm still having fun here, and I'm subbing 3 accounts.

[Edited for stupid typo....]

Carlos93

Let the city bankers exchange crowns for gold safely.

kargen27

TaSheen wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

TybaltKaine wrote: »

You can solve all of these problems by getting rid of the crown store and making this stuff earnable/purchasable in game with gold.

Then focus on gold sellers (good luck) and get back to making a quality game.

EDIT: Make dungeon DLC's a direct purchase option like Chapters are. Making players jump through the extra hoop of buying Crowns to get DLC is scummy.

Are you willing to go back to a subscription based game to make this happen?

I would. I have always subbed the MMOs I've played - if i'm having fun, then I'm happy to pay for the fun. When it's not fun, I not only quit paying, I quite the game (and I don't post on forums for games I no longer play....)

I'm still having fun here, and I'm subbing 3 accounts.

I've been subbing from the beginning on one account and about two years ago started subbing on a 2nd account.

TaSheen

kargen27 wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

TybaltKaine wrote: »

You can solve all of these problems by getting rid of the crown store and making this stuff earnable/purchasable in game with gold.

Then focus on gold sellers (good luck) and get back to making a quality game.

EDIT: Make dungeon DLC's a direct purchase option like Chapters are. Making players jump through the extra hoop of buying Crowns to get DLC is scummy.

Are you willing to go back to a subscription based game to make this happen?

I would. I have always subbed the MMOs I've played - if i'm having fun, then I'm happy to pay for the fun. When it's not fun, I not only quit paying, I quit the game (and I don't post on forums for games I no longer play....)

I'm still having fun here, and I'm subbing 3 accounts.

I've been subbing from the beginning on one account and about two years ago started subbing on a 2nd account.

Well, I haven't been here "since the beginning" - but 6 years on, I'm still happy to sub. Because I am having fun....

Eliran

sarahthes wrote: »

Eliran wrote: »

Disclaimer: I am in no way shape or form support RMT.

Crown selling was huge benefit in ESO in my opinion, it was the "legit way" to buy/sell gold + ZoS earned money out of it as people actually had to buy the crowns, while players who lacked the funds benefited from it as they got to have the items they want from the crown stores by paying gold for it.

No Crown was stolen, why limit what we can do with them within the game borders? just make them tradable currency or make people able to sell crown items for Gold, much the same as another MMO who sell Tokens for subscriptions which people can buy with the in game currency.

I get that there where a lot of scams, however ... as many know, you can't stop people from committing illegal actions, and doing this so, will prevent scammers from scamming.

The so called people who bought crowns to sell them, will now buy gold from other and more "illegal" ways that won't benefit the players nor ZoS = everyone losses.

Crowns aren't stolen currency, people can only earn them by legit way of paying ZoS, aka Subscriptions or directly buying them.

What I am saying is, instead of fighting it, use it to everyone advantage and legalize the market.

Doing so will make people more safe, players will get what they want, people who need gold and don't mind paying for it will get it legit way, and above all, ZoS will earn all the profits from it, which means everyone benefit from it as more budget to improve the game and make content better.

I really don't see any worthy downside to this change.

And if you really want to combat inflation, make crown items/gold trades taxable by % of the gold, aka 10% or whatever, will be a really nice way to the gold pool in the game.

Your suggestion does nothing to stop fraud from the crown purchasers themselves, i.e. using stolen credit cards and/or initiating chargebacks after they've completed all their trades.

This is irrelevant to this argument, not sure what you on about ..

Tigertron

ZOS = Zenimax Online Studios

ZoS = something made up.

Zenimax of Studios? Zenimax on Studios?

FeedbackOnly

sarahthes wrote: »

Eliran wrote: »

Disclaimer: I am in no way shape or form support RMT.

Crown selling was huge benefit in ESO in my opinion, it was the "legit way" to buy/sell gold + ZoS earned money out of it as people actually had to buy the crowns, while players who lacked the funds benefited from it as they got to have the items they want from the crown stores by paying gold for it.

No Crown was stolen, why limit what we can do with them within the game borders? just make them tradable currency or make people able to sell crown items for Gold, much the same as another MMO who sell Tokens for subscriptions which people can buy with the in game currency.

I get that there where a lot of scams, however ... as many know, you can't stop people from committing illegal actions, and doing this so, will prevent scammers from scamming.

The so called people who bought crowns to sell them, will now buy gold from other and more "illegal" ways that won't benefit the players nor ZoS = everyone losses.

Crowns aren't stolen currency, people can only earn them by legit way of paying ZoS, aka Subscriptions or directly buying them.

What I am saying is, instead of fighting it, use it to everyone advantage and legalize the market.

Doing so will make people more safe, players will get what they want, people who need gold and don't mind paying for it will get it legit way, and above all, ZoS will earn all the profits from it, which means everyone benefit from it as more budget to improve the game and make content better.

I really don't see any worthy downside to this change.

And if you really want to combat inflation, make crown items/gold trades taxable by % of the gold, aka 10% or whatever, will be a really nice way to the gold pool in the game.

Your suggestion does nothing to stop fraud from the crown purchasers themselves, i.e. using stolen credit cards and/or initiating chargebacks after they've completed all their trades.

What someone probably did was gift you from account then have send good to B account.

If that's the issue then you could stop it better with direct trading

TybaltKaine

kargen27 wrote: »

TybaltKaine wrote: »

You can solve all of these problems by getting rid of the crown store and making this stuff earnable/purchasable in game with gold.

Then focus on gold sellers (good luck) and get back to making a quality game.

EDIT: Make dungeon DLC's a direct purchase option like Chapters are. Making players jump through the extra hoop of buying Crowns to get DLC is scummy.

Are you willing to go back to a subscription based game to make this happen?

Yes. My wife and I both buy yearly subs. It's a non-issue. It would also clean up the botting problem quite a bit, I think. Not many people willing to shell out $15 a month a couple dozen times over to farm for fake money in a game.

FireBreathingNord

majulook wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

Eliran wrote: »

Disclaimer: I am in no way shape or form support RMT.

Crown selling was huge benefit in ESO in my opinion, it was the "legit way" to buy/sell gold + ZoS earned money out of it as people actually had to buy the crowns, while players who lacked the funds benefited from it as they got to have the items they want from the crown stores by paying gold for it.

No Crown was stolen, why limit what we can do with them within the game borders? just make them tradable currency or make people able to sell crown items for Gold, much the same as another MMO who sell Tokens for subscriptions which people can buy with the in game currency.

I get that there where a lot of scams, however ... as many know, you can't stop people from committing illegal actions, and doing this so, will prevent scammers from scamming.

The so called people who bought crowns to sell them, will now buy gold from other and more "illegal" ways that won't benefit the players nor ZoS = everyone losses.

Crowns aren't stolen currency, people can only earn them by legit way of paying ZoS, aka Subscriptions or directly buying them.

What I am saying is, instead of fighting it, use it to everyone advantage and legalize the market.

Doing so will make people more safe, players will get what they want, people who need gold and don't mind paying for it will get it legit way, and above all, ZoS will earn all the profits from it, which means everyone benefit from it as more budget to improve the game and make content better.

I really don't see any worthy downside to this change.

And if you really want to combat inflation, make crown items/gold trades taxable by % of the gold, aka 10% or whatever, will be a really nice way to the gold pool in the game.

Your suggestion does nothing to stop fraud from the crown purchasers themselves, i.e. using stolen credit cards and/or initiating chargebacks after they've completed all their trades.

There are 3 issue ZOS has --

Issue 1- Thieves thought: "why would anyone buy 1500 crowns for $15USD when they can buy 5000 crowns worth of GOLD for $15USD on a 3rd party site out of reach from ZoS influence?"

Issue 2- In the US 5500 Crowns cost $39.99 USD, while in other countries 5500 Crowns in that countries currency are sold for less using the exchange rate of the USD, than the USD cost in the US Crown store. So thieves were buying in the less cost countries and selling the Crowns online to players in the US for less than the US Crown store.

Issue 3- Crown purchasers themselves, i.e. using stolen credit cards and/or initiating chargebacks after they've completed all their trades

All of issues are likely why the gold-to-crowncrate exchange was stopped.

For each hypothesized issue:

If the main fraud is from third party sellers (Issue 1):

Targeted vetting and limits on high-volume gift transfers could help deter sellers, while allowing normal player gifting.

If geographic price arbitrage is the concern (Issue 2):

Region locking gifts/trades would be one option, but still risks angering legitimate cross-region players.
The onus is on ZOS to address pricing discrepancies between regions. Players exploit gaps, not inherent flaws.

If stolen cards and chargebacks are the core problem (Issue 3):

Upfront verification could help, though challenges exist without being too intrusive.
Accounts with multiple fraudulent purchases could be flagged or restricted temporarily after investigations.
Clearer messaging on risks and speedy assistance for innocent victims could help address concerns.
Ideally ZOS can provide more transparency on the specific problems. Targeted solutions depend on the nature of the issues.

Idelise

Maybe ZOS could go WoW way...? Start selling ESO+ monthly sub tokens that you can buy from crown store - and then if you wish, you can sell the token at an Auction house...? This way crowns traded to in game gold would be 'legal' and balanced. Idk. Not sure if that would be attractive to people or not.
Would that help?

FireBreathingNord

Idelise wrote: »

Maybe ZOS could go WoW way...? Start selling ESO+ monthly sub tokens that you can buy from crown store - and then if you wish, you can sell the token at an Auction house...? This way crowns traded to in game gold would be 'legal' and balanced. Idk. Not sure if that would be attractive to people or not.
Would that help?

Selling exchangeable ESO Plus subscription tokens through the crown store is an intriguing idea. It creates a structured path for crowns to flow to gold that ZOS can oversee directly.

Building sanctioned, developer-approved ways for players to exchange crowns and gold could reduce demand for unsafe third party trades. Adding friction via auction houses rather than direct exchanges also enables more monitoring.

There are still plenty of opportunities to combat fraud through innovation versus blanket restrictions. Tokenized subscriptions are one example of a controlled compromise, and I'm sure other ideas exist that satisfy player needs while addressing developer concerns.