Compleaning about purges and cleanes, but this is what happens

Skander

I love getting fatally damaged while people are on the defensive but they pressed 1 offensive skill four seconds ago

FriendlyGuy

That is 1 spammable +1 ha+l 1la+ 1ult, and most likely an ele sus before the engage as well, otherwise maarselok would not hit that hard. Thats surely more than just „1skill 4 seconds ago“.

Rhaegar75

Typical encounter with a proc sorc: such fun!!

Marcus684

Old meta: tank their damage until they run out of resources and then burst them down

New meta: tank their damage while your procs kill them

BetterAtChess

You obviously lost to a top-tier player.

I mean, the skill levels needed to heavy attack AND cast rending slashes....I can only aspire to be that good.

CameraBeardThePirate

Who on earth is complaining about Purges anymore? It's a pretty common opinion that Purges are close to worthless in the current meta.

Oblivion_Protocol

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Who on earth is complaining about Purges anymore? It's a pretty common opinion that Purges are close to worthless in the current meta.

I think the OP meant that people used to complain about purges before the Mara’s Balm nerf, and now they don’t. Which…is mostly false. While the mass purge was a pain, it was the spectacular healing that came with it that more people complained about. Wardens and Templars are still running around purging at will.

The thing is that purges aren’t worthless in the current meta. In fact, this Master’s Dual Wield/Vateshran/Maarselok clown show is exactly why purges are still vital. There just aren’t enough good ones. Most classes end up going without a decent cleanse unless they slot some ability that shreds their Magicka or Stamina in seconds.

With the Mara’s nerf, people said “screw it, I can handle some DoTs”. Little did they know…

CameraBeardThePirate

Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Who on earth is complaining about Purges anymore? It's a pretty common opinion that Purges are close to worthless in the current meta.

I think the OP meant that people used to complain about purges before the Mara’s Balm nerf, and now they don’t. Which…is mostly false. While the mass purge was a pain, it was the spectacular healing that came with it that more people complained about. Wardens and Templars are still running around purging at will.

The thing is that purges aren’t worthless in the current meta. In fact, this Master’s Dual Wield/Vateshran/Maarselok clown show is exactly why purges are still vital. There just aren’t enough good ones. Most classes end up going without a decent cleanse unless they slot some ability that shreds their Magicka or Stamina in seconds.

With the Mara’s nerf, people said “screw it, I can handle some DoTs”. Little did they know…

Purges do nothing in the current meta other than dump your resources. The popular DoT proc sets apply far more effects than any active ability purge can remove, for far fewer resources. You're better off slotting another HoT instead.

Marcus684

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Who on earth is complaining about Purges anymore? It's a pretty common opinion that Purges are close to worthless in the current meta.

I think the OP meant that people used to complain about purges before the Mara’s Balm nerf, and now they don’t. Which…is mostly false. While the mass purge was a pain, it was the spectacular healing that came with it that more people complained about. Wardens and Templars are still running around purging at will.

The thing is that purges aren’t worthless in the current meta. In fact, this Master’s Dual Wield/Vateshran/Maarselok clown show is exactly why purges are still vital. There just aren’t enough good ones. Most classes end up going without a decent cleanse unless they slot some ability that shreds their Magicka or Stamina in seconds.

With the Mara’s nerf, people said “screw it, I can handle some DoTs”. Little did they know…

Purges do nothing in the current meta other than dump your resources. The popular DoT proc sets apply far more effects than any active ability purge can remove, for far fewer resources. You're better off slotting another HoT instead.

Cleanses do still remove some effects, which is probably actually better for balance than removing all of them. Can you imagine the exact opposite complaint, proc/dot users coming to the forums to complain about how "1 button cancels out 100% of my offense!"? ZOS probably just needs to tone down this 1 particular build that so easily procs so many effects, or maybe buff cleansing a bit to counterbalance it.

CameraBeardThePirate

Marcus684 wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Who on earth is complaining about Purges anymore? It's a pretty common opinion that Purges are close to worthless in the current meta.

I think the OP meant that people used to complain about purges before the Mara’s Balm nerf, and now they don’t. Which…is mostly false. While the mass purge was a pain, it was the spectacular healing that came with it that more people complained about. Wardens and Templars are still running around purging at will.

The thing is that purges aren’t worthless in the current meta. In fact, this Master’s Dual Wield/Vateshran/Maarselok clown show is exactly why purges are still vital. There just aren’t enough good ones. Most classes end up going without a decent cleanse unless they slot some ability that shreds their Magicka or Stamina in seconds.

With the Mara’s nerf, people said “screw it, I can handle some DoTs”. Little did they know…

Purges do nothing in the current meta other than dump your resources. The popular DoT proc sets apply far more effects than any active ability purge can remove, for far fewer resources. You're better off slotting another HoT instead.

Cleanses do still remove some effects, which is probably actually better for balance than removing all of them. Can you imagine the exact opposite complaint, proc/dot users coming to the forums to complain about how "1 button cancels out 100% of my offense!"? ZOS probably just needs to tone down this 1 particular build that so easily procs so many effects, or maybe buff cleansing a bit to counterbalance it.

I'm not saying they should remove everything, but the cost of casting a purge that removes ~4 negative effects is way more than the cost of abilities that add 5+ effects.

Ele Sus is free. There's no point in purging off the multiple effects applied by ele sus if they can throw them all back on immediately at no cost outside of a GCD. That's the problem. There's far too many abilities in this game that load up a target with negative effects at very little cost to the user.

gariondavey

Really simple. If 1 offensive spell from 1 person gives you more debuffs than 1 purge removes, with 0 cost (or even half cost) compared to a 4k+ mag spell, you are going to lose the resource war.

Marcus684

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Marcus684 wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Who on earth is complaining about Purges anymore? It's a pretty common opinion that Purges are close to worthless in the current meta.

I think the OP meant that people used to complain about purges before the Mara’s Balm nerf, and now they don’t. Which…is mostly false. While the mass purge was a pain, it was the spectacular healing that came with it that more people complained about. Wardens and Templars are still running around purging at will.

The thing is that purges aren’t worthless in the current meta. In fact, this Master’s Dual Wield/Vateshran/Maarselok clown show is exactly why purges are still vital. There just aren’t enough good ones. Most classes end up going without a decent cleanse unless they slot some ability that shreds their Magicka or Stamina in seconds.

With the Mara’s nerf, people said “screw it, I can handle some DoTs”. Little did they know…

Purges do nothing in the current meta other than dump your resources. The popular DoT proc sets apply far more effects than any active ability purge can remove, for far fewer resources. You're better off slotting another HoT instead.

Cleanses do still remove some effects, which is probably actually better for balance than removing all of them. Can you imagine the exact opposite complaint, proc/dot users coming to the forums to complain about how "1 button cancels out 100% of my offense!"? ZOS probably just needs to tone down this 1 particular build that so easily procs so many effects, or maybe buff cleansing a bit to counterbalance it.

I'm not saying they should remove everything, but the cost of casting a purge that removes ~4 negative effects is way more than the cost of abilities that add 5+ effects.

Ele Sus is free. There's no point in purging off the multiple effects applied by ele sus if they can throw them all back on immediately at no cost outside of a GCD. That's the problem. There's far too many abilities in this game that load up a target with negative effects at very little cost to the user.

I agree elem sus adding 4 effects for basically no cost is overtuned and should probably be nerfed.

mmtaniac

Purge is bad in current pvp , should be better and have it's own status effect "You are resist to last purged effect for 4seconds" If i purge Major breach than i have 4seconds resist to this debuff like other small debuffs this time it's buff for person with purge on the skill bar. This way i have at least second or two to react and counterattack.