Rather disappointed and saddened for a possible bleak future.

HjorrMundGandr

Its been a while everyone!
How are you all doing?

I took a break from playing eso for work reasons back in 2021.
My gameplay with eso had stagnated a little with only really having endgame achievements left to complete, thinking that content would at least build up for me to play when I come back.
And there is. Two whole years almost of content.
High Isle and now Necrom. I am so tempted to jump back in and at least skyshard hunt or do the fishing with the time I have.

But every time I dip my toes in for a crafting writ or siege merit as of late (2023).
I have 230 ping from the average 70-90 and IC is 345 for the average 90-120.
I have tried to ignore this, but now its every log in. It was/is easy to just say " oh ill wait until they have fixed the issues" " they must have just had a patch" "when I come back to the game it will be better and fixed"
I am just lying to myself.
Its been years and these issue are not any better, they are actually worse.

Where is the future of ESO going to be if I wait even longer?.
Its really a shame to see this degradation happen. My fear is that the next 4 years are not going to be any different, ES 6 will release and the player base for ESO will drop off considerably.

Coming here to the forums to get an explanation, & to see others are experiencing similar situations. Just to see every post being flagged and closed by ZOS for

"As there are multiple threads discussing latency, we have decided to close this thread. Our help article linked below offers different troubleshooting you can try for latency issues while playing ESO.

This is beyond an simple latency issue and no matter how many times you port forward and reset your router this is not going to get better.
Stop shutting these discussions down.

You know & we know this game needs a massive kick in the pants for performance.
But is seems like this back and forth, talking about fixes for the last 4 years and its now gotten even worse.

Is this a case of "its gotta get worse before it gets better"? Or is this just blatant ZOS don't give a S*&t anymore.
"The game works for the most part so *shurgs, who cares about following through with the "FIX"?
I don't want this to be a giant dump on ZOS, I just want to know if they are ever going to follow through with a fix and have a more conducive discussion here on the forums other than a palm off as if its our network issues.

I really do look forward to coming back to something fun and playable for future content.

Snamyap

It might help to add on which server you're having this issues, that way people can tell you whether they are experiencing the same issues or whether it's more likely the issue is with your ISP for instance. Personally my connection to the game on PC-EU is just fine.

bighamancheese

I am on Pc Na and dont have any of those issues

freespirit

I have to say I'm on PC-EU and very rarely if ever have any of the issues you mention.

Are you by any chance on Xbox-EU as that hasn't yet had the upgrade work all other servers have had?

Hawkeye

PC NA and I have no lag at all.

Marcus684

PC/NA and only have serious lag when facing ball groups in Cyrodiil.

Zodiarkslayer

PvP is D.E.A.D.

The lag is only part of the Problem...

Tandor

Snamyap wrote: »

It might help to add on which server you're having this issues, that way people can tell you whether they are experiencing the same issues or whether it's more likely the issue is with your ISP for instance. Personally my connection to the game on PC-EU is just fine.

That, and where you're playing from. Plus, of course, the platform and machine specs.

Also, if on PC make sure you are not playing with any outdated and unsupported add-ons.

Marcus684

Tandor wrote: »

Snamyap wrote: »

It might help to add on which server you're having this issues, that way people can tell you whether they are experiencing the same issues or whether it's more likely the issue is with your ISP for instance. Personally my connection to the game on PC-EU is just fine.

That, and where you're playing from. Plus, of course, the platform and machine specs.

Also, if on PC make sure you are not playing with any outdated and unsupported add-ons.

I'd venture this is the crux of their problem, as they really shouldn't be having such severe latency problems just doing writs. PC players returning after a multi-year break may not have updated drivers/addons/etc that can really bog things down.

Since the OP says they were having these issues before their break though, it's more likely that it's a problem on their end. Slow or shared internet connection, outdated or poorly maintained equipment, or something like that. I've had 2 times when I had really bad performance in this game, right after launch when I had barely enough RAM to run the game, and once when my PC got so dusty inside that it started heat-throttling. Players tend to blame ZOS for every problem when sometimes it's out of their hands.

Edit to add that I was also around 4-5 years ago when Cyrodiil performance was so bad that literally everyone was experiencing a slide show during large battles, so it's entirely possible for issues to be caused by ZOS' shortcomings, but then EVERYONE would be having these problems and not just a few.

Sarannah

PC EU, and I'm not having any issues. My ping is a constant 50, 67, or 83. And 83 is only if the server is really busy during prime time.

Best you could do is troubleshoot the issue. Make sure to allocate enough bandwidth, to discard LAN and WAN packages, to have a steady connection(good ISP, etc), to disable anything else from using the internet, scan for virusses, make sure your router can handle the load, etc. A connection often seems good while it actually isn't, and the only person to solve that is the person experiencing the issues. (for example: a speedtest will not show a steady connection)

But there is no reason to graveyard a game simply for having an issue you can't solve. So hopefully you can get it resolved.

PS: Disable any program from collecting data(including windows), and disable any program from automatically checking for updates. This takes quite a bit of bandwidth, and keeps your router/modem busy for no good reason.

ArchangelIsraphel

PC/NA, and I don't have any of these issues. The only time I experience severe lag is in the Grayhost Cyrodil campaign around ball groups, and very rarely in the Imperial City for similar reasons.

But I was around tons of players during the recent Zeal event, all of them spamming skills, and experienced no lag at all in regular overland.

HjorrMundGandr

Thanks for all the comments.

PC/EU

Its just very strange that it has happened within these past 2-ish years & progressively getting worse to the state its at now.
I have done their recommended tests.

• Disabled all addons,
• Flushed DNS
• Reduced Graphics.
• Pathping
• Tracert

And still logging in today Vivec only a handful of people around 144fps/ 375ping

I would never cast this game to the graveyard. Its more of what the title says, saddened and disappointed.
I would like to truly know if this is a network issue beyond the test ZOS details. But I would not have any idea what to look for to begin troubleshooting further.

Wired Connection
Asus RT-AX86U
1Gb/200Mb

ixthUA

Ping goes up if there is something downloading on the local network.

HjorrMundGandr

Checking down packets via the asus router shows no alarming downloading that would cause this.
Logged in again to test after a hard reset of the router and modem. still 300+ IC was 700.
This is not normal.
It only seems to be effecting eso for me. But also another computer on the network also just eso.
Has our ISP just all of a sudden gotten a *** connection out to eso's ip?

TaSheen

Might be time to ask the ISP that pointed question. Also talk to them about the routing they use to access the ESO megaserver.

You might also want to check how it seems on PC NA, because the routing might be totally different, and that would give you an insight when you talk to the ISP.

Are both computers playing ESO at the same time, ie you and a partner?

Tandor

Also, what are the machine specs? Where are you playing from?

HjorrMundGandr

TaSheen wrote: »

Might be time to ask the ISP that pointed question. Also talk to them about the routing they use to access the ESO megaserver.

You might also want to check how it seems on PC NA, because the routing might be totally different, and that would give you an insight when you talk to the ISP.

Are both computers playing ESO at the same time, ie you and a partner?

Checking PC/NA
Ping 160-199
I'm guessing that is normal for someone in EU to be connecting to NA?
Its still lower than the 399 from EU...?

Not at the same time as of late. So for we are both experiencing the same ping. Only with ESO whenever we play regardless of being at the same time or not.

Portugal (ISP:MEO)

Going to have to have a little chat with MEO to see what is going on.
I don't really have much faith in getting an answer but I will report back if I do find anything.

HjorrMundGandr

Tandor wrote: »

Also, what are the machine specs? Where are you playing from?

Asus TUF x570
Ryzen 3700x OC:4.1
16GB RAM
GTX 1060 6GB

More than enough for ESO.

TaSheen

Yeah, please do let us know! Some ISPs are more cooperative than others.

A friend playing from Germany gets between 120 and 160 ping to NA (she only plays on NA - she married a German, and all her friends are still on NA) so your ping to NA server sounds close.

HjorrMundGandr

What would I ask my ISP specifically?

TaSheen

Explain your situation in as much detail as they will let you (and if they stonewall you, ask for a supervisor!), then tell them your ping to 159.100.230.1 (EU) and your ping to 198.20.200.1 (NA). Ask them if they can improve the routing on their end to the EU server, considering you're closer to that one than the NA one.

You might want to do a pathping to have handy when you talk to them:

https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/#en/answer/30903

Pelanora

Try playing pc-eu from New Zealand (or Australia). Then you'll really know about ping.

TaSheen

Pelanora wrote: »

Try playing pc-eu from New Zealand (or Australia). Then you'll really know about ping.

Or by satellite from the US southwest.... my ping on a GOOD day is 750 + ms.

Kappachi

PC NA here no latency issues, likely on your end. keep in mind that badly outdated addons can hamper your gameplay experience or even cause you to completely desync from the server, so make sure all your addons work with the current game version.

ProudMary

Latency during high APM with many players around at the same time, whether in trials or PvP has been a serious problem for ESO for years now. The problem is not on the user end.

prof-dracko

The S. Pacific laughs at you. 350+ ping is a GOOD day. Learn to adapt, it's not that hard. I've done pretty much all the in-game content at least once. Only thing that's really hard is PvP, and even that's doable if you luck out and end up fighting someone really incompetent.

rothan117

PC NA, not seeing any of the issues the OP is talking about.

JoeCapricorn

> bleak future

> thread is full of people offering advice and help

Honestly not so bleak. ESO has a great community. And in spite of times when I may seem critical, the devs have kept the hamster wheels oiled and hamster fed.

I hope you are able to get the ping issues sorted out. I kinda am in a lucky area, only about 130 miles from PC-NA so my latency is usually low. I only ever see high ping lately if it's my own internet going hiccup, like earlier in the summer the transformer by the road was arcing and hitting the cable-line, which would cause my internet to slow down or cut out (I thought I had a faulty modem for a bit there) but my roommate said to me "hey that transformer is gonna go boom" so I went to Met-Ed and said, "hey this transformer is gonna go boom" and they went out and were like, "you're right it would have gone boom" and I feel good for preventing boom.

ArchangelIsraphel

HjorrMundGandr wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Also, what are the machine specs? Where are you playing from?

Asus TUF x570
Ryzen 3700x OC:4.1
16GB RAM
GTX 1060 6GB

More than enough for ESO.

So, judging by the age of your graphics card, how old is your machine and have you upgraded your network card/router since 2016?

Before I upgraded to a new machine with a modern network card and new router this year, I was running on similar specs to you, albeit my machine was a Lenovo Legion rather than an Asus.

I was experiencing heavy latency issues running on old stuff. Even though I had upgraded the speed of my internet, everything was bottlenecking at the router, and my network card had gone bad.

You may not think so, but your network adapter can go bad, and slow internet/latency worsening over time is a symptom. Even if your specs are technically "enough" for ESO, the game runs much smoother on modern equipment. (Yes, I was also getting huge ping spikes due to my aged hardware- I no longer do now) Even if you are on a wired connection, you can still have hardware issues that can bottleneck your internet's actual speed.

Tandor

If you're using a wired connection, as should always be the case, it's important to use the latest CAT connection cables. Using old cables of lower CAT rating can also bottleneck your internet speed.

vsrs_au

Pelanora wrote: »

Try playing pc-eu from New Zealand (or Australia). Then you'll really know about ping.

Yes, my ping (from Melbourne) averages 380-390, although recently it was a bit more variable (upwards, not downwards), but that was probably due to the triple combination of ESO+ free trial, an in-game event, and free ESO via Epic.