PvEvP Love

Ramzdonb16_ESO

Pvp has been neglected for too long, how many big expansions has there been since morrowind? And no pvp updates

We even have pvers trying to steal Ic away from us.

We need more focus on BGs to turn it in to something actually competitive with pre-made sets for 4 man groups.

How about free for all death match?

Bounty hunter mode top player gets buffs and then ever has to hunt them down?

How about a mini version of cyrodil keep vs keep 24 man vs 24 man? Can be in activity finder too!

I have no idea how many people if any play tales of tribute, certainly none of my friends do…

Edit: also to make imp city and bgs more popular put some strong pve sets behind these modes, pvpers always have to do dungeons and trials for the best gear why shouldn’t pvers have to do the same?

Victor_Storm

We need Arena pvp 1v1 and Arena leaderboard

Ramzdonb16_ESO

Victor_Storm wrote: »

We need Arena pvp 1v1 and Arena leaderboard

If ZoS provided balanced sets for that I’d be down!

Syldras

Ramzdonb16_ESO wrote: »

I have no idea how many people if any play tales of tribute, certainly none of my friends do…

I have no idea how many people if any pvp, certainly none of my friends do...

Ramzdonb16_ESO wrote: »

We even have pvers trying to steal Ic away from us.

All I saw were suggestions for an optional, extra pve version of Cyrodiil, nothing about removing the pvp map.

Ramzdonb16_ESO

Syldras wrote: »

Ramzdonb16_ESO wrote: »

I have no idea how many people if any play tales of tribute, certainly none of my friends do…

I have no idea how many people if any pvp, certainly none of my friends do...

Ramzdonb16_ESO wrote: »

We even have pvers trying to steal Ic away from us.

All I saw were suggestions for an optional, extra pve version of Cyrodiil, nothing about removing the pvp map.

A rare tribute player! I was wondering if it was just my social circle that doesn’t play 😅

Syldras

Ramzdonb16_ESO wrote: »

A rare tribute player! I was wondering if it was just my social circle that doesn’t play 😅

Nah, not even I play Tribute But there are players. At least I see them having arguments in the Tribute subforum all the time.

Jierdanit

Syldras wrote: »

Ramzdonb16_ESO wrote: »

I have no idea how many people if any play tales of tribute, certainly none of my friends do…

I have no idea how many people if any pvp, certainly none of my friends do...

Ramzdonb16_ESO wrote: »

We even have pvers trying to steal Ic away from us.

All I saw were suggestions for an optional, extra pve version of Cyrodiil, nothing about removing the pvp map.

And there we have the PvE player coming up as soon as PvPers ask for the most basic stuff ever that PvE players get every update.

Syldras

Jierdanit wrote: »

And there we have the PvE player coming up as soon as PvPers ask for the most basic stuff ever that PvE players get every update.

Have I said anything about not wanting you to get any updates? I think the pvp and pve crowd should be treated equally and a bigger pvp update would be long-due, even if I personally don't need it. I know this game doesn't cater to me alone but to a big variety of different people.

Jierdanit

Syldras wrote: »

Jierdanit wrote: »

And there we have the PvE player coming up as soon as PvPers ask for the most basic stuff ever that PvE players get every update.

Have I said anything about not wanting you to get any updates? I think the pvp and pve crowd should be treated equally and a bigger pvp update would be long-due, even if I personally don't need it. I know this game doesn't cater to me alone but to a big variety of different people.

No you didn't. I just assumed cause that is what most pve players in these forums are going to do.
Rarely ever get PvE players in pvp threads for other reasons than to complain.
Sorry if I misjudged you.

The sad thing is PvP players aren't even really asking to be treated equally, but simply to actually be treated like paying customers.
Atm PvPers are effectively paying the same as PvEers while getting maybe 10% of the content and that's just sad.

Marcus684

Jierdanit wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

Ramzdonb16_ESO wrote: »

I have no idea how many people if any play tales of tribute, certainly none of my friends do…

I have no idea how many people if any pvp, certainly none of my friends do...

Ramzdonb16_ESO wrote: »

We even have pvers trying to steal Ic away from us.

All I saw were suggestions for an optional, extra pve version of Cyrodiil, nothing about removing the pvp map.

And there we have the PvE player coming up as soon as PvPers ask for the most basic stuff ever that PvE players get every update.

How do you know if an ESO player hates PvP? Don't worry, they'll tell you.

Dr_Con

a while back i wrote about an idea where it's a gladiator-style arena fight, and like in ancient rome you choose ahead of time what you want your arena bonuses to be (archers, beasts on the sides, traps). Each one of these buffs you in some way and can be used to counteract some "unkillable" builds if utilized appropriately. There could also be people spectating and rewards at the end of the month.

TaSheen

Marcus684 wrote: »

How do you know if an ESO player hates PvP? Don't worry, they'll tell you.

ROFL!

endgamesmug

I played ic before the flags were installed and it was awesome, tons of people and brawls everywhere! I miss that alot, if changes were introduced and it was pvp only id return and give it a go!😁

Froil

PvEvP is Player versus Environment versus Player. Doesn't as much sense as PvPvE, Player versus Player versus Environment. Small nit-pick I guess.

Ramzdonb16_ESO

Froil wrote: »

PvEvP is Player versus Environment versus Player. Doesn't as much sense as PvPvE, Player versus Player versus Environment. Small nit-pick I guess.

I would have just written pvp but I saw that somewhere 😅

El_Borracho

Ramzdonb16_ESO wrote: »

Edit: also to make imp city and bgs more popular put some strong pve sets behind these modes, pvpers always have to do dungeons and trials for the best gear why shouldn’t pvers have to do the same?

I would love to get some new PVP sets through playing PVP. Plus, it will lead to people incessantly complaining about those new sets, like they did when Dark Convergence came out, so the forums can stay full of content. A win-win!

Syldras

Marcus684 wrote: »

How do you know if an ESO player hates PvP? Don't worry, they'll tell you.

Same goes for people who hate Tales of Tribute, obviously, as that was the original quote that I was humourously mirroring word by word in my reply (and that was the only reason I wrote it, actually I do even have friends who pvp, I just don't care for it myself) Interesting, that you took offence at my reply but not at the original.

That said: Yup, I don't care for pvp. Others don't care for pve or for housing or for Tales of Tribute. And that's fine. No one has to like anything. I find Tribute horrible boring, and fishing a waste of time, but who even cares?! I do mine, you do yours, plain and simple. I think it's weird when some people complain that others don't like their favorite activity. Like: Why would I be bothered by what other people don't do with their game?! It has no effect on my gaming experience.

Jierdanit wrote: »

No you didn't. I just assumed cause that is what most pve players in these forums are going to do.
Rarely ever get PvE players in pvp threads for other reasons than to complain.
Sorry if I misjudged you.

People just seem to love to complain. Everywhere in this forum. I saw people complaining about companions because "I don't need them!!!", complaining about antiquities because "I don't want that!!!", complaining about that card game, which I also find horrible, but, as I said: If others like it, fine with me. It's ridiculously silly how many people seem to be unable to accept that not everyone is like them and that not everyone likes the same things as them. Let alone that ZOS also gives other players attention and not them alone. I sometimes wonder how many people here have actually reached the minimum age required for registration, and suspect that some are as old as they behave: 12 at most.

Lumsdenml

Just a thought, but can you imagine the outrage that you would see on the forum if they released a pvp only update?

Syldras

Lumsdenml wrote: »

Just a thought, but can you imagine the outrage that you would see on the forum if they released a pvp only update?

Why make it an either/or question? At best ZOS should release content for different playstyles within one update.

Marcus684

Syldras wrote: »

Marcus684 wrote: »

How do you know if an ESO player hates PvP? Don't worry, they'll tell you.

Same goes for people who hate Tales of Tribute, obviously, as that was the original quote that I was humourously mirroring word by word in my reply (and that was the only reason I wrote it, actually I do even have friends who pvp, I just don't care for it myself) Interesting, that you took offence at my reply but not at the original.

That said: Yup, I don't care for pvp. Others don't care for pve or for housing or for Tales of Tribute. And that's fine. No one has to like anything. I find Tribute horrible boring, and fishing a waste of time, but who even cares?! I do mine, you do yours, plain and simple. I think it's weird when some people complain that others don't like their favorite activity. Like: Why would I be bothered by what other people don't do with their game?! It has no effect on my gaming experience.

Jierdanit wrote: »

No you didn't. I just assumed cause that is what most pve players in these forums are going to do.
Rarely ever get PvE players in pvp threads for other reasons than to complain.
Sorry if I misjudged you.

People just seem to love to complain. Everywhere in this forum. I saw people complaining about companions because "I don't need them!!!", complaining about antiquities because "I don't want that!!!", complaining about that card game, which I also find horrible, but, as I said: If others like it, fine with me. It's ridiculously silly how many people seem to be unable to accept that not everyone is like them and that not everyone likes the same things as them. Let alone that ZOS also gives other players attention and not them alone. I sometimes wonder how many people here have actually reached the minimum age required for registration, and suspect that some are as old as they behave: 12 at most.

Don't worry I wasn't offended. I just thought I'd add some humor to the conversation. It take a lot more than that to rile me up

Yes, the forums are about 99.998% negativity because happy players are too busy playing the game. I firmly believe the only reason game companies have forums is to keep tabs on the amount of anger their decisions are generating.

I also don't really understand the mentality of players that want to get rid of parts of the game they don't like. I suspect it's because ZOS kind of forces us to at least dabble in parts that we don't like. PvPers have to run PvE content for the best sets, PvEers have to dip a toe into PvP for events and things like Continuous Attack passive, and we all have to do the ToT intro quest just to shut that gods-cursed NPC up.

Syldras

Marcus684 wrote: »

Don't worry I wasn't offended. I just thought I'd add some humor to the conversation. It take a lot more than that to rile me up

Fine then In this forum, you never know!

Marcus684 wrote: »

I also don't really understand the mentality of players that want to get rid of parts of the game they don't like. I suspect it's because ZOS kind of forces us to at least dabble in parts that we don't like.

Which is, in my opinion, an extremely strange design decision. What advantage does it bring? There might be some players who try something new because of that and like it, but most will probably just force themselves through to get the reward they actually want/need, but still dislike the activity itself. Unneccessary frustration.

kargen27

I don't think PvP needs more content. We are an already thin population. We really could use performance improvements to the existing content. That would bring a good number of players back.
I would like to see something done with Imperial City to get the population back. Before the flags there were some really great battles happening in Imperial City. All three factions and one fight could last for a couple of hours easy. The flags give the controlling faction an advantage and that makes any fight that happens one sided and much shorter.
I would like to see weekend events where one district in Imperial City allowed all factions to recall to the faction balcony no matter which faction controls the flag. Maybe give the faction that holds the flag a slight AP boost in that zone?
Not sure Cyrodiil needs anything other than to work properly.
Battlegrounds sometimes can be really fun. Not sure what to do about when it isn't so fun. Seems to me the not so fun battlegrounds happen either when one team completely dominates or most players just ignore the objectives.

Marcus684

Syldras wrote: »

Marcus684 wrote: »

Don't worry I wasn't offended. I just thought I'd add some humor to the conversation. It take a lot more than that to rile me up

Fine then In this forum, you never know!

Marcus684 wrote: »

I also don't really understand the mentality of players that want to get rid of parts of the game they don't like. I suspect it's because ZOS kind of forces us to at least dabble in parts that we don't like.

Which is, in my opinion, an extremely strange design decision. What advantage does it bring? There might be some players who try something new because of that and like it, but most will probably just force themselves through to get the reward they actually want/need, but still dislike the activity itself. Unneccessary frustration.

I'd bet that ZOS' data shows that overall, the more aspects of the game players engage in the longer they stick around, which means more subscriptions and microtransactions. Sure, being forced firmly encouraged to participate in content we don't like may annoy us and drive us away from the game altogether, but sometime the opposite happens. For example, I used to hate 4-person dungeons because I hated having to research and memorize mechanics, and fear of being a burden to my groupmates gave me a lot of anxiety, so I basically never did them. The introduction of the Collections system, along with ZOS gating Antiquitiy leads in dungeons, triggered my completionist nerve hard enough for me to finally give them a whirl, and now I've collected probably half the dungeon stickers and do RNDs on a regular basis without a second thought.

YMMV though.

geonsocal

Victor_Storm wrote: »

We need Arena pvp 1v1 and Arena leaderboard

Ramzdonb16_ESO wrote: »

Victor_Storm wrote: »

We need Arena pvp 1v1 and Arena leaderboard

If ZoS provided balanced sets for that I’d be down!

Syldras

Marcus684 wrote: »

I'd bet that ZOS' data shows that overall, the more aspects of the game players engage in the longer they stick around, which means more subscriptions and microtransactions. Sure, being forced firmly encouraged to participate in content we don't like may annoy us and drive us away from the game altogether, but sometime the opposite happens. For example, I used to hate 4-person dungeons because I hated having to research and memorize mechanics, and fear of being a burden to my groupmates gave me a lot of anxiety, so I basically never did them. The introduction of the Collections system, along with ZOS gating Antiquitiy leads in dungeons, triggered my completionist nerve hard enough for me to finally give them a whirl, and now I've collected probably half the dungeon stickers and do RNDs on a regular basis without a second thought.
YMMV though.

In my case the main problem probably is that, because I have only very limited time, I want to focus on things I actually enjoy doing. I've had a completionist mindset in the beginning, but with more and more achievements that seem like a hassle to me, it got clearer that I'll never get them all done anyway. I've done a few things I actually don't like much before, even had in mind to at least get the Tales of Tribute achievements (and rewards) before I stop playing it, but I've even given up that because it was so boring to me and I began to wonder why I would waste hours of my freetime for that, if I could so something more interesting instead. There was really nothing I did so far only to get its achievement or reward, that I came to like after trying. Either I already found the activity interesting, good rewards or not, then I did it. Or it's something that doesn't appeal to me, then rewards change nothing. It's a personal thing, of course; other people might enjoy a bigger variety of different things. I personally have a very clear opinion on what I enjoy and what not, including some hard dislikes.

TaSheen

Syldras wrote: »

In my case the main problem probably is that, because I have only very limited time, I want to focus on things I actually enjoy doing. I've had a completionist mindset in the beginning, but with more and more achievements that seem like a hassle to me, it got clearer that I'll never get them all done anyway. I've done a few things I actually don't like much before, even had in mind to at least get the Tales of Tribute achievements (and rewards) before I stop playing it, but I've even given up that because it was so boring to me and I began to wonder why I would waste hours of my freetime for that, if I could so something more interesting instead. There was really nothing I did so far only to get its achievement or reward, that I came to like after trying. Either I already found the activity interesting, good rewards or not, then I did it. Or it's something that doesn't appeal to me, then rewards change nothing. It's a personal thing, of course; other people might enjoy a bigger variety of different things. I personally have a very clear opinion on what I enjoy and what not, including some hard dislikes.

Exactly this. You certainly said it better than I could!

ArchMikem

I did just recently think about a medium scale PvP map where teams fight over a keep, though sounds like just another Battleground Map, which would still be welcome. They led us to believe the new BG Map packs would be a recurring thing.

...oh yeah also give us PvE Cyrodiil and Imp City.

Ramzdonb16_ESO

ArchMikem wrote: »

I did just recently think about a medium scale PvP map where teams fight over a keep, though sounds like just another Battleground Map, which would still be welcome. They led us to believe the new BG Map packs would be a recurring thing.

...oh yeah also give us PvE Cyrodiil and Imp City.

Recurring every 6 years maybe.

Cyro is unplayable atm the moment so I wouldn’t even care.

Imp city can’t be touched it’s the only fun pvp area left. (Asides from removal of alliances which don’t even make sense anyway as it doesn’t have any impact on the emperor of cyrodil)

Mayrael

Awesome ideas! Can we have at least one?

derkaiserliche

And finally some more nice rewards to buy with tel var and ap. Mostly after like 1 pvp event, you are stucked with nothing to buy except things, that are easily exchangable to gold..

I would love to grind a hell lot ap or tel var for some really nice looking mounts, or special unique weapon motifs.