Remove One-way whispers

Sedare38

ZOS, please remove players' ability to send a whisper to someone they've put on ignore or when they are in AFK mode/Do Not Disturb, or whatever it is.

All too often (mostly in PVP probably) someone will whisper another, put that person on ignore so the whisper recipient cannot respond, and then keep sending them whispers. "Put them on ignore." you might say, well if your ignore list is full up, then you have to either deal with the whispers or shuffle someone else off, which brings me to secondary topic: Add last logged in on the ignore list as it is on friends list so we can remove people who are obviously not playing any longer.

TLDR:

Problem:

• Toxic players sending 1-way whispers.

Solution:

• If a player puts you on ignore, they should not be able to send you a whisper.
• If a player is in AFK mode (where they won't receive whispers), then they should not be able to send you a whisper.

After One way whispers are a thing of the past, implement safeguards to prevent people from continually abusing this practice:

• Implement an Ignore cool down (like 72 hours or something) so a person cannot simply take you off ignore to send you a whispers and then immediately put you on ignore again. Maybe even implement an afk cooldown as well if they do the same kind of abuse.
• Expand ignore lists to be greater than 100 (sorry, but 100 isn't enough for some people as there is enough salt in Cyrodiil to start a mine).
• Add "last played/logged in" for ignored people so we can remove those not playing in order to add new offenders.

Unsolicited whispers of salt and hate are annoying. I and others are simply trying to enjoy the game. I get PVP is a high emotion environment, but I and others probably shouldn't have to deal with unsolicited whispers, especially those to which we cannot respond.

Bottom line, implement stronger systems to keep people from sending abuse.


EDIT: BTW, this is for my own sake as well. Removing 1-way whispers will remove my temptation to be salty, so yeah. I don't want to have to deal with it, and other shouldn't deal with me either. ;D

Amottica

I agree.

If a player has someone on ignore they should not be able to whisper them. If they are offline they should not be able to whisper anyone and should not be able to go into offline mode for several minutes after whispering or sending mail to another player.

I also suggest we should not be able to communicate with anyone on an enemy team while in Cyrodiil or in a BG. There is no justification for it.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

+1 support, those sound like excellent ideas.

Twig_Garlicshine

+1 agree with all of it.

danno8

Just copy/paste their hate tells in Zone chat and give everyone a good laugh at how sad they are. Make a character on their alliance and go share the whispers for all of their comrades to see.

Get creative!

Or just ignore them. People can be very insecure and place far too much worth in their ability to play an online video game.

tincanman

I could get behind that - provided the incoming pvp 'player kill' announcements also respect players set to offline mode, too and don't broadcast their presence.

vsrs_au

danno8 wrote: »

Just copy/paste their hate tells in Zone chat and give everyone a good laugh at how sad they are. Make a character on their alliance and go share the whispers for all of their comrades to see.

Get creative!

Or just ignore them. People can be very insecure and place far too much worth in their ability to play an online video game.

I would never copy-paste any private message to a public channel, no matter how hateful it is, do the game's T&Cs even allow that ? The best option for hateful private messages is to report the player.

wilykcat

I support this

gariondavey

This is a good idea. Also, this is kind of humorous because hateful messages from [redacted] are littered all over the salt mines of a couple discords I'm in.

chessalavakia_ESO

I think it would be better to lean more on enforcement than on just ignoring.

Ignoring just fixes the issue for the individual it doesn't stop the behavior from impacting other players.

Personally, I would recommend that the staff take a look at the individual's chat logs.

Either they are an innocent individual that is being abused in at a massive scale and deserve protection or they are behaving in a poor enough fashion to draw negative responses on a massive scale.

Amottica wrote: »

I agree.

If a player has someone on ignore they should not be able to whisper them. If they are offline they should not be able to whisper anyone and should not be able to go into offline mode for several minutes after whispering or sending mail to another player.

I also suggest we should not be able to communicate with anyone on an enemy team while in Cyrodiil or in a BG. There is no justification for it.

People go offline for innocent reasons as well.

For example, I was doing surveys the other day and I went offline while doing it so my friends list would not be bombarded with player has logged off player has logged on as I did surveys at the same location over and over and over by logging in and out.

During that time I believe I also whispered someone on zone chat the answer to a simple question they were asking. (I could see allowing people you whisper while offline to be able to message you back)

Most of my interactions with the opposing factions in BG and Cyrodiil on chat have been positive not negative. I generally find that my own side is more of a pain in chat than the other side.

Auldwulfe

Amottica wrote: »

I agree.

If a player has someone on ignore they should not be able to whisper them. If they are offline they should not be able to whisper anyone and should not be able to go into offline mode for several minutes after whispering or sending mail to another player.

I also suggest we should not be able to communicate with anyone on an enemy team while in Cyrodiil or in a BG. There is no justification for it.

My only argument for this is that I like to compliment players that take me down in creative ways ....
If you impress me, I am going to tell you that you did so, and congratulate you ......
Then again, I don't do the ignore, thing..... so maybe a bit different.

Auldwulfe

CameraBeardThePirate

Lol. I've had groupmates get hate tells from the OP of this post. SMH dude.

Zankoh

As others been saying, the idea is good, but there is no credit to be given to who is suggesting it, as it only shows how hypocrisy is something often overlooked.

ketsparrowhawk

Fully agree. You shouldn't be able to whisper anyone who isn't on your friends list if you're offline mode. I'd also like an option to block all whispers unless they are on a friend or guild list of mine.

gariondavey

Edit: see cam's response below. Says it perfectly.

ezmaye

All valid points. It's just a shame that you are part of the problem so it feels very disingenuous.
Maybe you should stop hate whispering people and then blocking them? That will free up your block list.

wilykcat

I have the whisper chat turned off.

ZOS_Icy

Greetings,

We have recently removed some unnecessary back and forth from this thread in addition to some naming-and-shaming.

• Naming-and-Shaming: We do not allow posts or threads that are created for the purpose of “naming-and-shaming” other community member(s). “Naming-and-shaming” is the act of creating a post to call out an individual or group by name, and making them the subject of public accusation, ridicule and/or shaming. Generally, naming-and-shaming involves an in-game situation and/or Terms of Service violation, which the ESO Community Team is unable to assist with. A certain amount of rivalry and competitive razzing is healthy for any game community, especially one with PVP elements, but naming-and-shaming goes well beyond that. It typically elevates to a point where the subject feels legitimately harassed. We believe that naming-and-shaming posts and threads can be abused and are very harmful to the community. We also don't feel that publicly calling out or accusing others by name on our forums is in spirit of the game or our community. If you genuinely believe someone has violated our Terms of Service, you should report them in-game via the support interface — do not bring the situation onto the official ESO community forums.

This is a reminder to keep the discussion civil and constructive. Please keep our Community Rules in mind moving forward.

Thank you for your understanding.

danno8

vsrs_au wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

Just copy/paste their hate tells in Zone chat and give everyone a good laugh at how sad they are. Make a character on their alliance and go share the whispers for all of their comrades to see.

Get creative!

Or just ignore them. People can be very insecure and place far too much worth in their ability to play an online video game.

I would never copy-paste any private message to a public channel, no matter how hateful it is, do the game's T&Cs even allow that ? The best option for hateful private messages is to report the player.

I would in the right circumstances. It's not like these hate-tells are given in confidence nor does the person sending them have any reasonable expectation of privacy. Nor is the content of the message sensitive. I mean if they sent you their banking info then sure leave that part out.

But telling you you have no talent, or crying about how they would beat you in a one-on-one, or you are a zerger, or swearing at you and calling you names? Yah I have no problem sharing that stuff with other people.

I can see it now, "Hey! I told you you were a loser in confidence!"

Zama666

Agree. Block like a 1h & Shield!!!!

aru

I didn't encounter a single player like that, but it must be a serious problem given that everyone in the comments complains about it. I know it is forbidden to ''teabag'' people if they say not to, and I think this is something similar. Of course, it wouldn't be wise to ban people for just sending one-way whispers, so your solutions seem appropriate to me.

Jierdanit

aru wrote: »

I didn't encounter a single player like that, but it must be a serious problem given that everyone in the comments complains about it. I know it is forbidden to ''teabag'' people if they say not to, and I think this is something similar. Of course, it wouldn't be wise to ban people for just sending one-way whispers, so your solutions seem appropriate to me.

You know another nice thing about people who are in offline mode or who have you on ignore is that you couldn't tell them to stop tbagging you, even if you wanted.

CameraBeardThePirate

Jierdanit wrote: »

aru wrote: »

I didn't encounter a single player like that, but it must be a serious problem given that everyone in the comments complains about it. I know it is forbidden to ''teabag'' people if they say not to, and I think this is something similar. Of course, it wouldn't be wise to ban people for just sending one-way whispers, so your solutions seem appropriate to me.

You know another nice thing about people who are in offline mode or who have you on ignore is that you couldn't tell them to stop tbagging you, even if you wanted.

Doesn't matter anymore; they updated the ToS so that you can get banned for bagging even without being asked to stop. Pretty ridiculous imo and I don't even bag.

tsaescishoeshiner

This should also apply to offline players. People go offline in PvP and send toxic chats. Bit silly, and there's no real consequence to removing outgoing messages from offline players, because no one can respond to them anyway.

CameraBeardThePirate

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

This should also apply to offline players. People go offline in PvP and send toxic chats. Bit silly, and there's no real consequence to removing outgoing messages from offline players, because no one can respond to them anyway.

It would also fix the issue I've come across more than once of someone whispering you for help with something not knowing they're set to offline and aren't able to receive replies.

Sedare38

ezmaye wrote: »

All valid points. It's just a shame that you are part of the problem so it feels very disingenuous.
Maybe you should stop hate whispering people and then blocking them? That will free up your block list.

i don't send 1-way whispers. i don't initiate (mostly), i respond and in kind. I've no shame, but if you want to send crap my way, it better be a 2 way street.

Sedare38

additionally, removing the ability for all this 1-way nonsense goes for me as well. remove my temptation when [Snip] are on the loose.

[Edited for profanity bypass]

gariondavey

Sedare38 wrote: »

ezmaye wrote: »

All valid points. It's just a shame that you are part of the problem so it feels very disingenuous.
Maybe you should stop hate whispering people and then blocking them? That will free up your block list.

i don't send 1-way whispers. i don't initiate (mostly), i respond and in kind. I've no shame, but if you want to send crap my way, it better be a 2 way street.

This is not truthful at all. As mentioned by myself and others, there is a colossal mount of evidence of hate messages you send people, found in salt mines of discord channels of many servers.

Major_Toughness

100%.

If they are appearing offline they should not be able to whisper.
If they have you on ignore, they should not be able to whisper you.

Kappachi

Amottica wrote: »

I agree.

If a player has someone on ignore they should not be able to whisper them. If they are offline they should not be able to whisper anyone and should not be able to go into offline mode for several minutes after whispering or sending mail to another player.

I also suggest we should not be able to communicate with anyone on an enemy team while in Cyrodiil or in a BG. There is no justification for it.

have you never literally sent someone a message saying you're going afk and then went offline immediately after? the second point you make doesn't make much sense, but yes if you have someone on ignore list you shouldn't be able to send a message to that person, maybe even make it so that if you ignore someone the messages you sent to them disappear so you can't get a quick toxic quip in before ignoring someone too.

Sleep724

It’ll be on the crown store.

Expand your ignore list for only 3,000 crowns! Limited time only!