Most dangerous/OP damage ultimates in PvP.

MindOfTheSwarm

Feel free to explain choices from the list below.

Bashev

Other (Provide)

It is only one and it is not on the list

Corrosive armor!

StarOfElyon

Other (Provide)

MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »

Feel free to explain choices from the list below.

Maybe I'm going blind but I don't see Corrosive Armor on that list.

Leap and Dawnbreaker are the best ones but not OP.

Incap is good.

Atronarch isn't bad but I can just run away from it.

Crescent Sweep is good if you can even use it with the stupid cast time.

Meteor is bad. It's a zergling ultimate.

Unblinking Eye is ok so far.

CameraBeardThePirate

Other (Provide)

Corrosive is the strongest ulti in PvP at the moment.

The highest damage ultimate in the game is Animate Blastbones; however, while the damage ceiling is incredibly high, the ultimate is inconsistent at best and more often than not is a wasted cast.

Syiccal

Other (Provide)

So Corrosive doesn't make the list lolz. This poll was definitely made by a dk main

GrimStyx

Other (Provide)

Animate Blastbones and corrosive armor. As for the first, it's really OP in the right hands, it can resurrect the whole group of players at once, about blastbones is debatable, but still they are really very effective and have big potential in damage if done correctly, if other factors will not accidentally interfere with this. Ult DK - corrosive, well, it’s obvious, broken builds are built on it, especially with the current semi-tank meta

Melzo

Unblinking Eye

GrimStyx wrote: »

Animate Blastbones and corrosive armor. As for the first, it's really OP in the right hands, it can resurrect the whole group of players at once, about blastbones is debatable, but still they are really very effective and have big potential in damage if done correctly, if other factors will not accidentally interfere with this. Ult DK - corrosive, well, it’s obvious, broken builds are built on it, especially with the current semi-tank meta

It looks like that person with the right hands has not yet been born. Or necromancers are born crooked.

MindOfTheSwarm

Dragon Leap

Bashev wrote: »

It is only one and it is not on the list

Corrosive armor!

Didn’t include because “technically” not a damage Ultimate and more of utility.

GrimStyx

Other (Provide)

Melzo wrote: »

GrimStyx wrote: »

Animate Blastbones and corrosive armor. As for the first, it's really OP in the right hands, it can resurrect the whole group of players at once, about blastbones is debatable, but still they are really very effective and have big potential in damage if done correctly, if other factors will not accidentally interfere with this. Ult DK - corrosive, well, it’s obvious, broken builds are built on it, especially with the current semi-tank meta

It looks like that person with the right hands has not yet been born. Or necromancers are born crooked.

Now necro is not popular, and besides, this ability is of a group nature, when most of the players prefer the game with an emphasis on solo, but you agree that respawning 3 killed allies instantly, and also launching blastbones is quite powerful? The problem lies in that blastbones are quite buggy, and they cannot be directed to one target if there are several targets , also most players ignore skills with corpse mechanics, because they are useless and do not spawn as often as they would like. I think if someone decided to play a necro support, she could show her best side, but I almost never met a support necro in pvp, perhaps this is the answer, if talk about PvE, this is a very powerful skill and perhaps one of the few skills that makes necro unique, i just think the ability to resurrect the whole group at once and still do some decent damage is exactly what OP is, but again, this only applies to well-coordinated group play, and not in every situation it will be so useful

CameraBeardThePirate

Other (Provide)

GrimStyx wrote: »

Melzo wrote: »

GrimStyx wrote: »

Animate Blastbones and corrosive armor. As for the first, it's really OP in the right hands, it can resurrect the whole group of players at once, about blastbones is debatable, but still they are really very effective and have big potential in damage if done correctly, if other factors will not accidentally interfere with this. Ult DK - corrosive, well, it’s obvious, broken builds are built on it, especially with the current semi-tank meta

It looks like that person with the right hands has not yet been born. Or necromancers are born crooked.

Now necro is not popular, and besides, this ability is of a group nature, when most of the players prefer the game with an emphasis on solo, but you agree that respawning 3 killed allies instantly, and also launching blastbones is quite powerful? The problem lies in that blastbones are quite buggy, and they cannot be directed to one target if there are several targets , also most players ignore skills with corpse mechanics, because they are useless and do not spawn as often as they would like. I think if someone decided to play a necro support, she could show her best side, but I almost never met a support necro in pvp, perhaps this is the answer, if talk about PvE, this is a very powerful skill and perhaps one of the few skills that makes necro unique, i just think the ability to resurrect the whole group at once and still do some decent damage is exactly what OP is, but again, this only applies to well-coordinated group play, and not in every situation it will be so useful

And the fact of the matter is that it isn't just "decent" damage, but can be insanely potent. On the right build you can drop 45k+ instant damage on a group of clumped up players. That's instant death if they're not blocking for pretty much anyone.

The thing just never lands because of the targeting issues. Since you can't tell the Blastbones who to target like with the normal ability, the ultimate will be a wasted cast ~40% of the time (excluding any possible instant rez of course)

SkaraMinoc

Other (Provide)

Animate Blastbones is the highest damage ultimate in the game if all 3 blastbones land. It's equivalent to 3 dawnbreakers.

<<2>> = 0.15 MaxStat + 1.575 MaxPower x 3 = 4.725 MaxPower

Pestilent Colossus is the next highest at 1.3667 x 3 = 4.1001 MaxPower if all 3 smashes land.

Others:

Gravity Crush (Solar Prison) = 0.231809 MaxStat + 2.434 MaxPower
Take Flight = 0.216801 MaxStat + 2.27641 MaxPower
Ice Comet = 0.198853 MaxStat + 2.08795 MaxPower
Incapacitating Strike = 0.16528 MaxStat + 1.73544 MaxPower
Dawnbreaker of Smiting = 0.15495 MaxStat + 1.62698 MaxPower
Crescent Sweep = 0.1033 MaxStat + 1.08465 MaxPower (weak, overnerfed)

Tide King's Gaze = 0.049584 MaxStat + 0.520632 MaxPower every 0.5 seconds for 16 seconds. This is equivalent to an Ice Comet every 2 seconds or 4 Ice Comets over the 8 second duration. 0.520632 x 16 = 8.330112 over the full duration.

Northern Storm = 0.05165 MaxStat + 0.542325 MaxPower every 1 second for 12 seconds. This is equivalent to an Ice Comet every 4 seconds or 2 Ice Comets over the 8 second duration. 0.542325 x 8 = 4.3386 over the full duration.

tl;dr

Strongest Burst = Animate Blastbones
Highest Pressure = Tide King's Gaze
Weakest Ultimate = Crescent Sweep

OBJnoob

Meteor

I voted Meteor. Now I do agree with whoever had said that it's kinda a Zerg ulti. But it can be good on a sorc or a templar or basically anyone that has an unblockable stun.

Mostly though I voted for it because I've been using a toon with Gaze of Sithis lately. Two things really kick my butt and they are Meteor and beamplars.

Urzigurumash

Dragon Leap

"Burst Ult" may have been more clear, many are saying Corrosive because Sleet Storm and Atro are on here, i.e. "Pressure Ults". Corrosive, Sleet Storm, Atro, Vamp Ult, Goliath, Abyssal Sea, Consuming Darkness, Lacerate, Destro Ult, Negate, etc, all "Pressure Ults".

From this view missing from this list is Bear, Berserker Strike, Soul Shred, Toxic Barrage, etc.

Another way to view the question: Imagine the game is "no skills besides Ults, most kills within 5 minutes wins".

From that view, to me the answer is clear: Leap (particularly Ferocious Leap so long as Vampire unjustly suffers its Flame Damage Taken Penalty).

SandandStars

Corrosive.

By a wide margin.

MindOfTheSwarm

Dragon Leap

Urzigurumash wrote: »

"Burst Ult" may have been more clear, many are saying Corrosive because Sleet Storm and Atro are on here, i.e. "Pressure Ults". Corrosive, Sleet Storm, Atro, Vamp Ult, Goliath, Abyssal Sea, Consuming Darkness, Lacerate, Destro Ult, Negate, etc, all "Pressure Ults".

From this view missing from this list is Bear, Berserker Strike, Soul Shred, Toxic Barrage, etc.

Another way to view the question: Imagine the game is "no skills besides Ults, most kills within 5 minutes wins".

From that view, to me the answer is clear: Leap (particularly Ferocious Leap so long as Vampire unjustly suffers its Flame Damage Taken Penalty).

I understand this criticism but unfortunately you can only have a maximum of 10 options in a poll which makes it difficult, which is why I had the tenth as “Other”.

Kory

MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

It is only one and it is not on the list

Corrosive armor!

Didn’t include because “technically” not a damage Ultimate and more of utility.

Corrosive is indeed a utility... for major pain and damage.

CameraBeardThePirate

Other (Provide)

MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

It is only one and it is not on the list

Corrosive armor!

Didn’t include because “technically” not a damage Ultimate and more of utility.

Calling Corrosive a "Utility" is like calling Dawnbreaker a "Utility" just because it stuns.

Corrosive is not a Utility, it's an overtuned damage ultimate with a built in tgm console command.

Janni

Other (Provide)

No love for the destro ult? What about Negate? Bah!

katorga

Other (Provide)

Corrosive Armor.

MindOfTheSwarm

Dragon Leap

Janni wrote: »

No love for the destro ult? What about Negate? Bah!

Limited space for votes. Which is why I had Other as the final option. The polls only allow ten options

Reverb

Other (Provide)

How are Corrosive and Negate not on the list?

I get that there are limited poll options, but in a question about the most powerful ultimates you left off the most high performing ones.

There is simply no better selfish ultimate than Corrosive. And there is no better ultimate against coordinated groups than Negate.

MindOfTheSwarm

Dragon Leap

Reverb wrote: »

How are Corrosive and Negate not on the list?

I get that there are limited poll options, but in a question about the most powerful ultimates you left off the most high performing ones.

There is simply no better selfish ultimate than Corrosive. And there is no better ultimate against coordinated groups than Negate.

The poll focused on damage ultimates. Although Negate can deal damage it’s not really used for that, Corrosive also does not deal high damage itself but enables damage through skills. They are support ultimates not direct damage ones.

CameraBeardThePirate

Other (Provide)

MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

How are Corrosive and Negate not on the list?

I get that there are limited poll options, but in a question about the most powerful ultimates you left off the most high performing ones.

There is simply no better selfish ultimate than Corrosive. And there is no better ultimate against coordinated groups than Negate.

The poll focused on damage ultimates. Although Negate can deal damage it’s not really used for that, Corrosive also does not deal high damage itself but enables damage through skills. They are support ultimates not direct damage ones.

Again, Corrosive is NOT a support ultimate. Calling it that is being either disingenuous or completely naive. It's a damage ultimate.

TybaltKaine

Meteor

I voted Meteor, but Ice Comet on a Winter Warden who is buffing frost damage with a set is much more dangerous.

EDIT: Try dropping an Ice Comet on a group while wearing Nunatak as a Winter Warden.

MerguezMan

Other (Provide)

So, nobody thinks about Onlslaught ?

VaranisArano

Other (Provide)

Negate.

As a group healer, there's only one Ultimate I fear, and that's a well timed Negate in the middle of a heated keep battle.

(2nd Place goes to Meteor during the patch when it was bugged so it would drag me across the battlefield, deliver the hit, then drop me off where it took me, now meters behind my group where the enemy tore me to shreds because I was a lone healer.)

MindOfTheSwarm

Dragon Leap

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

How are Corrosive and Negate not on the list?

I get that there are limited poll options, but in a question about the most powerful ultimates you left off the most high performing ones.

There is simply no better selfish ultimate than Corrosive. And there is no better ultimate against coordinated groups than Negate.

The poll focused on damage ultimates. Although Negate can deal damage it’s not really used for that, Corrosive also does not deal high damage itself but enables damage through skills. They are support ultimates not direct damage ones.

Again, Corrosive is NOT a support ultimate. Calling it that is being either disingenuous or completely naive. It's a damage ultimate.

But it’s not a direct damage ultimate. It’s a buff.

MindOfTheSwarm

Dragon Leap

TybaltKaine wrote: »

I voted Meteor, but Ice Comet on a Winter Warden who is buffing frost damage with a set is much more dangerous.

EDIT: Try dropping an Ice Comet on a group while wearing Nunatak as a Winter Warden.

Done this many times, but I prefer Icy Rage just as my Arctic Blast stun hits. They usually die before they can break free, dodge roll and get out of the area.

StarOfElyon

Other (Provide)

Melzo wrote: »

GrimStyx wrote: »

Animate Blastbones and corrosive armor. As for the first, it's really OP in the right hands, it can resurrect the whole group of players at once, about blastbones is debatable, but still they are really very effective and have big potential in damage if done correctly, if other factors will not accidentally interfere with this. Ult DK - corrosive, well, it’s obvious, broken builds are built on it, especially with the current semi-tank meta

It looks like that person with the right hands has not yet been born. Or necromancers are born crooked.

Such a person would be a nuisance, not even a threat.

TybaltKaine

Meteor

MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »

Done this many times, but I prefer Icy Rage just as my Arctic Blast stun hits. They usually die before they can break free, dodge roll and get out of the area.

That's a great combo too. Ice Warden has a ton of killer combos if you build around frost damage.

edward_frigidhands

Other (Provide)

MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

It is only one and it is not on the list

Corrosive armor!

Didn’t include because “technically” not a damage Ultimate and more of utility.

Corrosive is a damage ultimate.