Why Doesn't She Fight Back

HidesInPlainSight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD06jT53p-Y

Almost seems like there is something going on

TybaltKaine

Because they are fighting the boss and not worrying about you? I mean, sometimes people just want to farm pages and sets, especially during events. They probably know they can mitigate whatever damage you are dealing and focus on the boss. If you manage to deal enough burst to get their attention, they will respond.

HidesInPlainSight

TybaltKaine wrote: »

Because they are fighting the boss and not worrying about you? I mean, sometimes people just want to farm pages and sets, especially during events. They probably know they can mitigate whatever damage you are dealing and focus on the boss. If you manage to deal enough burst to get their attention, they will respond.

Ahh, yes. Surly not abuse the tri-focus.

emilyhyoyeon

HidesInPlainSight wrote: »

TybaltKaine wrote: »

Because they are fighting the boss and not worrying about you? I mean, sometimes people just want to farm pages and sets, especially during events. They probably know they can mitigate whatever damage you are dealing and focus on the boss. If you manage to deal enough burst to get their attention, they will respond.

Ahh, yes. Surly not abuse the tri-focus.

So I guess you figured it out already then?

TybaltKaine

You can just leave the area of the boss and get away from the splash damage, that's on you for staying engaged against a player who is clearly fighting an NPC with a lightning staff equipped. You can't complain about dying from Tri-focus when you allowed yourself to die from Tri-focus. Yes, you were there first, but they never attacked you directly, only the boss.

It's also worth noting that there are players who mainly play PVE and Don't know anything about the tri-focus issues in PVP. You may have run into a PVE player who is trying to participate in the event.

Defaulting to "they must be cheating" doesn't mean that is what happened.

EDIT: You also would have been able to come back and loot the boss after the fact since you dealt damage to them, so the "I wanted my loot" won't hold water here. You pursued with a full health bar and a shield on top and they never attacked you. They actively ran away and went back to the boss and engaged with them using the HA. You either played into the hands of an evil genius or got overzealous and tried to get easy tel-var but got stung for it.

LunaFlora

if people are fighting a boss or npc in imperial city please just calmly fight the boss with them.

the horrors are hard enough to fight alone and the style pages don't always drop.

not everyone wants to have a dull duel

HidesInPlainSight

TybaltKaine wrote: »

You can just leave the area of the boss and get away from the splash damage, that's on you for staying engaged against a player who is clearly fighting an NPC with a lightning staff equipped. You can't complain about dying from Tri-focus when you allowed yourself to die from Tri-focus. Yes, you were there first, but they never attacked you directly, only the boss.

It's also worth noting that there are players who mainly play PVE and Don't know anything about the tri-focus issues in PVP. You may have run into a PVE player who is trying to participate in the event.

Defaulting to "they must be cheating" doesn't mean that is what happened.

EDIT: You also would have been able to come back and loot the boss after the fact since you dealt damage to them, so the "I wanted my loot" won't hold water here. You pursued with a full health bar and a shield on top and they never attacked you. They actively ran away and went back to the boss and engaged with them using the HA. You either played into the hands of an evil genius or got overzealous and tried to get easy tel-var but got stung for it.

Bruh, you have no clue what you are talking about. The player is clearing abusing the Tri-focus bug. I initiated the fight with the boss, initiated fight with the player, the player refused to target me, with the bosss above 90% health. No one in pvp is going to sit and ignore an enemy player trying to kill you, using a heavy attack build.

They are abusing the bug to proc a Tri-Focus to kill me. There is a reason when I dip low, they make no effort to kill me. Because they have a guaranteed kill by procing Tri-Focus.

TybaltKaine

Yes, clearly my eyes don't work, and I don't PVP enough to know full well to move away from a player that is using a heavy attack with a lightning staff. You have found me out, I am a poseur and a talentless hack who cannot and will not adjust my playstyle to match what is actually happening in front of me.

With this, I am ruined.

jaws343

HidesInPlainSight wrote: »

TybaltKaine wrote: »

You can just leave the area of the boss and get away from the splash damage, that's on you for staying engaged against a player who is clearly fighting an NPC with a lightning staff equipped. You can't complain about dying from Tri-focus when you allowed yourself to die from Tri-focus. Yes, you were there first, but they never attacked you directly, only the boss.

It's also worth noting that there are players who mainly play PVE and Don't know anything about the tri-focus issues in PVP. You may have run into a PVE player who is trying to participate in the event.

Defaulting to "they must be cheating" doesn't mean that is what happened.

EDIT: You also would have been able to come back and loot the boss after the fact since you dealt damage to them, so the "I wanted my loot" won't hold water here. You pursued with a full health bar and a shield on top and they never attacked you. They actively ran away and went back to the boss and engaged with them using the HA. You either played into the hands of an evil genius or got overzealous and tried to get easy tel-var but got stung for it.

Bruh, you have no clue what you are talking about. The player is clearing abusing the Tri-focus bug. I initiated the fight with the boss, initiated fight with the player, the player refused to target me, with the bosss above 90% health. No one in pvp is going to sit and ignore an enemy player trying to kill you, using a heavy attack build.

They are abusing the bug to proc a Tri-Focus to kill me. There is a reason when I dip low, they make no effort to kill me. Because they have a guaranteed kill by procing Tri-Focus.

Eh, when I am running my heavy attack build to farm tel var, and I am fighting a boss, I am 100% ignoring another player during the boss fight if they show up, unless they are a serious threat to me.

And that is on any build I am running really.

Because, if I target them and they kill me before the boss dies, I get zero tel var from the boss.

So, it is 100% on the player who gets within the area of a boss knowing that they player is heavy attacking. Like, sorry, not going to stop attacking the boss just because you decided to be close to it.

Also, way too many players try to use NPCs to body block heavy attacks. I am going out of my way to only attack a player when I am focusing the player, and they are pulling or dodging behind NPCs. Sorry, my heavy is going to attach to that NPC now. You did it to yourself.

HidesInPlainSight

jaws343 wrote: »

HidesInPlainSight wrote: »

TybaltKaine wrote: »

You can just leave the area of the boss and get away from the splash damage, that's on you for staying engaged against a player who is clearly fighting an NPC with a lightning staff equipped. You can't complain about dying from Tri-focus when you allowed yourself to die from Tri-focus. Yes, you were there first, but they never attacked you directly, only the boss.

It's also worth noting that there are players who mainly play PVE and Don't know anything about the tri-focus issues in PVP. You may have run into a PVE player who is trying to participate in the event.

Defaulting to "they must be cheating" doesn't mean that is what happened.

EDIT: You also would have been able to come back and loot the boss after the fact since you dealt damage to them, so the "I wanted my loot" won't hold water here. You pursued with a full health bar and a shield on top and they never attacked you. They actively ran away and went back to the boss and engaged with them using the HA. You either played into the hands of an evil genius or got overzealous and tried to get easy tel-var but got stung for it.

Bruh, you have no clue what you are talking about. The player is clearing abusing the Tri-focus bug. I initiated the fight with the boss, initiated fight with the player, the player refused to target me, with the bosss above 90% health. No one in pvp is going to sit and ignore an enemy player trying to kill you, using a heavy attack build.

They are abusing the bug to proc a Tri-Focus to kill me. There is a reason when I dip low, they make no effort to kill me. Because they have a guaranteed kill by procing Tri-Focus.

Eh, when I am running my heavy attack build to farm tel var, and I am fighting a boss, I am 100% ignoring another player during the boss fight if they show up, unless they are a serious threat to me.

And that is on any build I am running really.

Because, if I target them and they kill me before the boss dies, I get zero tel var from the boss.

So, it is 100% on the player who gets within the area of a boss knowing that they player is heavy attacking. Like, sorry, not going to stop attacking the boss just because you decided to be close to it.

Also, way too many players try to use NPCs to body block heavy attacks. I am going out of my way to only attack a player when I am focusing the player, and they are pulling or dodging behind NPCs. Sorry, my heavy is going to attach to that NPC now. You did it to yourself.

And you are using a Lightening staff and prociing the Tri-Focus. Anyone that uses that build in IC knows, what they are doing.

It is a well known bug.

jaws343

HidesInPlainSight wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

HidesInPlainSight wrote: »

TybaltKaine wrote: »

You can just leave the area of the boss and get away from the splash damage, that's on you for staying engaged against a player who is clearly fighting an NPC with a lightning staff equipped. You can't complain about dying from Tri-focus when you allowed yourself to die from Tri-focus. Yes, you were there first, but they never attacked you directly, only the boss.

It's also worth noting that there are players who mainly play PVE and Don't know anything about the tri-focus issues in PVP. You may have run into a PVE player who is trying to participate in the event.

Defaulting to "they must be cheating" doesn't mean that is what happened.

EDIT: You also would have been able to come back and loot the boss after the fact since you dealt damage to them, so the "I wanted my loot" won't hold water here. You pursued with a full health bar and a shield on top and they never attacked you. They actively ran away and went back to the boss and engaged with them using the HA. You either played into the hands of an evil genius or got overzealous and tried to get easy tel-var but got stung for it.

Bruh, you have no clue what you are talking about. The player is clearing abusing the Tri-focus bug. I initiated the fight with the boss, initiated fight with the player, the player refused to target me, with the bosss above 90% health. No one in pvp is going to sit and ignore an enemy player trying to kill you, using a heavy attack build.

They are abusing the bug to proc a Tri-Focus to kill me. There is a reason when I dip low, they make no effort to kill me. Because they have a guaranteed kill by procing Tri-Focus.

Eh, when I am running my heavy attack build to farm tel var, and I am fighting a boss, I am 100% ignoring another player during the boss fight if they show up, unless they are a serious threat to me.

And that is on any build I am running really.

Because, if I target them and they kill me before the boss dies, I get zero tel var from the boss.

So, it is 100% on the player who gets within the area of a boss knowing that they player is heavy attacking. Like, sorry, not going to stop attacking the boss just because you decided to be close to it.

Also, way too many players try to use NPCs to body block heavy attacks. I am going out of my way to only attack a player when I am focusing the player, and they are pulling or dodging behind NPCs. Sorry, my heavy is going to attach to that NPC now. You did it to yourself.

And you are using a Lightening staff and prociing the Tri-Focus. Anyone that uses that build in IC knows, what they are doing.

It is a well known bug.

I use it because it makes farming NPCs easier. You and other players could literally just avoid it by not engaging NPCS that are being attacked by players who are using it. And not hiding behind NPCs when you know a player is using it.

We aren't talking about Cyrodil where the guards are unavoidable. We are talking about Imperial City where you don't have to be anywhere near another player if you don't want to be.

TybaltKaine

It is a well known bug to PVP players.

You are again omitting the fact that there is an event active and people who don't normally, if ever participate in PVP wouldn't know about it.

Most players aren't on the forums, or read the Reddit. I'd argue that like 75% of the player base doesn't even care about patch notes. They just show up, play, and enjoy themselves.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. In this case it was a HA Lightning staff Warden fighting a boss and ignoring you. HA Lightning staff is BIS for PVE damage right now.

Occam's razor man, a PVE HA player, who wanted to fight the boss for a style page drop, ran away from you and you kept after them and died.

FENGRUSH

LunaFlora wrote: »

if people are fighting a boss or npc in imperial city please just calmly fight the boss with them.

the horrors are hard enough to fight alone and the style pages don't always drop.

not everyone wants to have a dull duel

Yes but everyone wants to have an exciting duel

Braffin

LunaFlora wrote: »

if people are fighting a boss or npc in imperial city please just calmly fight the boss with them.

the horrors are hard enough to fight alone and the style pages don't always drop.

not everyone wants to have a dull duel

You can't really cooperate with a player using lightning HA in a PvP environment due to unavoidable splash dmg based on PvE dmg-calculations via tri-focus.

This bug is literally destroying IC. @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Kevin

Surragard

I agree with the above comment that it’s a PvE player that probably doesn’t even know about the big. Just trying to fight the boss and made it pretty clear not interested in PvP.

TybaltKaine

I mean, OP could have been at range and outside of splash zone by using Arcanist skills as well here. You can cooperate if you stay on your toes and adjust fire. But yeah, the bug needs to be patched. Just use Battlespirit as a modifier on Tri-Focus and it goes away.

Tri Focus I: (With Destruction Staff Equipped) Fully-charged Inferno Staff Heavy Attacks deal 6% additional damage. Lightning Staff Heavy Attacks damage nearby enemies for 50% of the damage done. Fully-charged Ice Staff Heavy Attacks grant you a damage shield that absorbs 2000 damage. This effect scales off your Max Health. While an Ice Staff is equipped, blocking costs Magicka instead of Stamina.

Tri Focus II: (With Destruction Staff Equipped) Fully-charged Inferno Staff Heavy Attacks deal 12% additional damage. Lightning Staff Heavy Attacks damage nearby enemies for 100% of the damage done. Fully-charged Ice Staff Heavy Attacks grants you a damage shield that absorbs 4000 damage. This effect scales off your Max Health. While an Ice Staff is equipped, blocking costs Magicka instead of Stamina.

"This Passive does not function when Battle Spirit is active." is all you need to add. That's it.

EDIT: Feel free to dunk on this dumb idea. I need more coffee.

jaws343

TybaltKaine wrote: »

I mean, OP could have been at range and outside of splash zone by using Arcanist skills as well here. You can cooperate if you stay on your toes and adjust fire. But yeah, the bug needs to be patched. Just use Battlespirit as a modifier on Tri-Focus and it goes away.

Tri Focus I: (With Destruction Staff Equipped) Fully-charged Inferno Staff Heavy Attacks deal 6% additional damage. Lightning Staff Heavy Attacks damage nearby enemies for 50% of the damage done. Fully-charged Ice Staff Heavy Attacks grant you a damage shield that absorbs 2000 damage. This effect scales off your Max Health. While an Ice Staff is equipped, blocking costs Magicka instead of Stamina.

Tri Focus II: (With Destruction Staff Equipped) Fully-charged Inferno Staff Heavy Attacks deal 12% additional damage. Lightning Staff Heavy Attacks damage nearby enemies for 100% of the damage done. Fully-charged Ice Staff Heavy Attacks grants you a damage shield that absorbs 4000 damage. This effect scales off your Max Health. While an Ice Staff is equipped, blocking costs Magicka instead of Stamina.

"This Passive does not function when Battle Spirit is active." is all you need to add. That's it.

Breaking the passive with Battle Spirit is a terrible idea. If there is a group of players and you heavy attack them, Tri-Focus should function against those players as it does today. It only needs to not work on players if it is procced off NPCs. Not completely ruined.

TybaltKaine

Good call and I agree with you, but if I'm honest, the only thing that would appease most people would be to give it the Empower treatment.

Should it work against players groups?Yes, absolutely.

Do I expect there to be an elegant solution that does this and keeps it viable in PVP and PVE? No, and I expect it to be viable only in PVE in the same way that Empower now is.

I'd love to be proven wrong, but I don't hold out hope for it.

CompM4s

Looks more like he baited you into chasing him through the boss.

Braffin

TybaltKaine wrote: »

I mean, OP could have been at range and outside of splash zone by using Arcanist skills as well here. You can cooperate if you stay on your toes and adjust fire. But yeah, the bug needs to be patched. Just use Battlespirit as a modifier on Tri-Focus and it goes away.

I agree that the specific situation shown in the vid doesn't look like bugusing on purpose but, as you said, a PvE player unaware of the bug.

It's simply not the best idea to do MYM while this issue is still around.

Soarora

I think you were in the right to try and kill them since they were trying to join your boss fight. I disagree that you should’ve run away and thus that dying to trifocus is your fault… it’s your boss you got there first. They’re probably a PvEr, PvErs don’t usually fight only flight.

Varana

HidesInPlainSight wrote: »

Anyone that uses that build in IC knows, what they are doing.
It is a well known bug.

That is nonsense. I dabble casually in PvP, but not with a build like that - only during MYM when I go into PvP with random PvE characters as well. I don't follow what's happening in PvP-land very much.
Otherwise, I play PvE. I read the forums quite regularly, but never the PvP section. (If it's not in General, I won't see it.)

And so, this thread is literally the first time I hear about a bug with Trifocus. What exactly does this bug do?

Long story short, this complaint is ridiculous. HA builds are all the rage in PvE nowadays, so you will see people going into PvP during MYM using their characters and attack everything that may or may not move with that.

HidesInPlainSight

Varana wrote: »

HidesInPlainSight wrote: »

Anyone that uses that build in IC knows, what they are doing.
It is a well known bug.

That is nonsense. I dabble casually in PvP, but not with a build like that - only during MYM when I go into PvP with random PvE characters as well. I don't follow what's happening in PvP-land very much.
Otherwise, I play PvE. I read the forums quite regularly, but never the PvP section. (If it's not in General, I won't see it.)

And so, this thread is literally the first time I hear about a bug with Trifocus. What exactly does this bug do?

Long story short, this complaint is ridiculous. HA builds are all the rage in PvE nowadays, so you will see people going into PvP during MYM using their characters and attack everything that may or may not move with that.

It is a very well known bug in PvP. Just because Pvers dont know about it, does not mean it does not get abused every day in IC.

HidesInPlainSight

Varana wrote: »

HidesInPlainSight wrote: »

Anyone that uses that build in IC knows, what they are doing.
It is a well known bug.

That is nonsense. I dabble casually in PvP, but not with a build like that - only during MYM when I go into PvP with random PvE characters as well. I don't follow what's happening in PvP-land very much.
Otherwise, I play PvE. I read the forums quite regularly, but never the PvP section. (If it's not in General, I won't see it.)

And so, this thread is literally the first time I hear about a bug with Trifocus. What exactly does this bug do?

Long story short, this complaint is ridiculous. HA builds are all the rage in PvE nowadays, so you will see people going into PvP during MYM using their characters and attack everything that may or may not move with that.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/636157/zos-you-going-to-fix-this#latest

here one from like 2 weeks ago. Its been a bug for months now. Search ESO Tri-focus bug.

Varana

And during MYM, you will see players going into PvP zones "abusing" that bug without having any clue that they're doing that.
That's not to say that this was the case here. But it's bound to happen, lots of times.

Edit: Ah, another example of the well thought-through strategy of moving threads to the graveyard subforums where no-one will ever see them.

EramTheLiar

HidesInPlainSight wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

HidesInPlainSight wrote: »

TybaltKaine wrote: »

You can just leave the area of the boss and get away from the splash damage, that's on you for staying engaged against a player who is clearly fighting an NPC with a lightning staff equipped. You can't complain about dying from Tri-focus when you allowed yourself to die from Tri-focus. Yes, you were there first, but they never attacked you directly, only the boss.

It's also worth noting that there are players who mainly play PVE and Don't know anything about the tri-focus issues in PVP. You may have run into a PVE player who is trying to participate in the event.

Defaulting to "they must be cheating" doesn't mean that is what happened.

EDIT: You also would have been able to come back and loot the boss after the fact since you dealt damage to them, so the "I wanted my loot" won't hold water here. You pursued with a full health bar and a shield on top and they never attacked you. They actively ran away and went back to the boss and engaged with them using the HA. You either played into the hands of an evil genius or got overzealous and tried to get easy tel-var but got stung for it.

Bruh, you have no clue what you are talking about. The player is clearing abusing the Tri-focus bug. I initiated the fight with the boss, initiated fight with the player, the player refused to target me, with the bosss above 90% health. No one in pvp is going to sit and ignore an enemy player trying to kill you, using a heavy attack build.

They are abusing the bug to proc a Tri-Focus to kill me. There is a reason when I dip low, they make no effort to kill me. Because they have a guaranteed kill by procing Tri-Focus.

Eh, when I am running my heavy attack build to farm tel var, and I am fighting a boss, I am 100% ignoring another player during the boss fight if they show up, unless they are a serious threat to me.

And that is on any build I am running really.

Because, if I target them and they kill me before the boss dies, I get zero tel var from the boss.

So, it is 100% on the player who gets within the area of a boss knowing that they player is heavy attacking. Like, sorry, not going to stop attacking the boss just because you decided to be close to it.

Also, way too many players try to use NPCs to body block heavy attacks. I am going out of my way to only attack a player when I am focusing the player, and they are pulling or dodging behind NPCs. Sorry, my heavy is going to attach to that NPC now. You did it to yourself.

And you are using a Lightening staff and prociing the Tri-Focus. Anyone that uses that build in IC knows, what they are doing.

It is a well known bug.

This is literally the first time I've ever heard of this bug. I don't PvP much so I don't go looking to read up on PvP bugs.

rpa

People who do not PvP will not make a special build for PvP and may even avoid attacking player characters knowing they should have no change to win against a dedicated PvPer. Fixing the bug is on ZOS. But I guess it's pretty hairy to fix without just deleting the accessible PvE build in question for no reason related to PvE.

Four_Fingers

Is it a bug?
Seems intended or not thought thru by the devs and you know about it so don't use the cheat card automatically.

tomofhyrule

Also the idea that it's the event, and a lot of non-PvPers are in IC for one of two purposes:

1. Get Event tickets by doing IC PvE dailies
2. Fight IC bosses to get style pages

Notice that neither of these goals is "fight other players."

There have been so many times that I (and I don't use an Oakensorc, I'm a PvE tank) have been fighting an upstairs boss, and then some PvPer comes by and starts attacking me specifically and ignoring the boss that's also pounding on me. Once I inevitably go down because I have the damage of a PvE tank, then the PvPer either gets deleted by the boss, brings their friends to zerg it down, or just runs until it deaggroes.
And unless it's the middle option, I just get frustrated because I'd like some of these style pages.

rpa

Four_Fingers wrote: »

Is it a bug?
Seems intended or not thought thru by the devs and you know about it so don't use the cheat card automatically.

It's a bug in how splash damage from PvE attacks on monsters is applied to enemy player characters, resulting much higher PvP damage than should.

Katheriah

Well, she did fight back... It was just at a moment that was a bit inconvenient for you.