What's up with Azandar's perk?

Pitterpatter69

I have rapport maxed out with him and i rarely get any folios to drop. Maybe 1 folio out of 50-60

phaneub17_ESO

I get most of mine from urns, backpacks, and desks. The stolen ones are the best!

Pitterpatter69

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

I get most of mine from urns, backpacks, and desks. The stolen ones are the best!

Well at least someone is getting them

LunaFlora

i get them so so often. the urns in necrom have them a lot of the time. and delves like Quires Wind with lots of desks and trunks also

amig186

You could try the public dungeon in Blackreach, you're bound to get a bunch of folios from the multitude of jugs there.

Dojohoda

I suspect the drop rate was scaled back because I am getting around 65 percent fewer than I did originally. However, I did not see any mention of nerfing it in the patch notes.

Came back to add that this is based off of the same thieving route that I have done numerous times in Necrom on several characters. I had been getting approximately 10 or 11 folios and now, since the most recent patch, I am getting 3 or 4 on the same route.

Pitterpatter69

Dojohoda wrote: »

I suspect the drop rate was scaled back because I am getting around 65 percent fewer than I did originally. However, I did not see any mention of nerfing it in the patch notes.

Came back to add that this is based off of the same thieving route that I have done numerous times in Necrom on several characters. I had been getting approximately 10 or 11 folios and now, since the most recent patch, I am getting 3 or 4 on the same route.

Yeah, it’s not even close to the number of hidden sacks I get from Mirri’s perk

jaws343

Pitterpatter69 wrote: »

Dojohoda wrote: »

I suspect the drop rate was scaled back because I am getting around 65 percent fewer than I did originally. However, I did not see any mention of nerfing it in the patch notes.

Came back to add that this is based off of the same thieving route that I have done numerous times in Necrom on several characters. I had been getting approximately 10 or 11 folios and now, since the most recent patch, I am getting 3 or 4 on the same route.

Yeah, it’s not even close to the number of hidden sacks I get from Mirri’s perk

I did two Gorne loops yesterday, looted like 20 containters. Zero Azandar drops and like 6 Miri drops.

Pitterpatter69

Frustrating given all the time I spent building up rapport

Necrotech_Master

the rapport is actually far easier to raise up now lol, and you only need to do that if you want the keepsake, just having azander active gives you this bonus (and you have to do other things to get the keepsake, not just rapport)

from my experience so far, ive never gotten an azander folio from a "non-steal" situation container

stealing however, the folios are significantly more common, just doing a single run around in the town of necrom you can usually get half a dozen or more folios (though the folios have pretty much always given me junk, i have found a few good blueprints just from the containers themselves in necrom lol)

Azriael2

Yeah, I think they stealth nerfed it - I was getting around 17-20 from Sailenmora in first week, now it's more like 6-10 at best.

jaws343

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

the rapport is actually far easier to raise up now lol, and you only need to do that if you want the keepsake, just having azander active gives you this bonus (and you have to do other things to get the keepsake, not just rapport)

from my experience so far, ive never gotten an azander folio from a "non-steal" situation container

stealing however, the folios are significantly more common, just doing a single run around in the town of necrom you can usually get half a dozen or more folios (though the folios have pretty much always given me junk, i have found a few good blueprints just from the containers themselves in necrom lol)

I may have to test out some stealing. I have gotten the folios rarely so far only from non stealing, but I haven't actually stolen anything with him active yet.

tsaescishoeshiner

I get them often enough and it's easily the best companion perk. Mirri, Isobel, Ember, and Bastian all given broken potions, vendor junk, or minor amounts of gold. Getting maps, funny jokes, and furnishing plans is great and an exciting discovery.

Necrotech_Master

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

I get them often enough and it's easily the best companion perk. Mirri, Isobel, Ember, and Bastian all given broken potions, vendor junk, or minor amounts of gold. Getting maps, funny jokes, and furnishing plans is great and an exciting discovery.

i sometimes get furnishings and blueprints from isobels bonus bags

Jaraal

Dojohoda wrote: »

I suspect the drop rate was scaled back because I am getting around 65 percent fewer than I did originally. However, I did not see any mention of nerfing it in the patch notes.

Came back to add that this is based off of the same thieving route that I have done numerous times in Necrom on several characters. I had been getting approximately 10 or 11 folios and now, since the most recent patch, I am getting 3 or 4 on the same route.

Have you had the Treasure Hunter passive on at all times?

My experience with the Research Folios has not changed in regards to the amount of drops from the beginning until now. Perhaps you are just having an unusually bad run of RNG?

Dojohoda

Jaraal wrote: »

Dojohoda wrote: »

I suspect the drop rate was scaled back because I am getting around 65 percent fewer than I did originally. However, I did not see any mention of nerfing it in the patch notes.

Came back to add that this is based off of the same thieving route that I have done numerous times in Necrom on several characters. I had been getting approximately 10 or 11 folios and now, since the most recent patch, I am getting 3 or 4 on the same route.

Have you had the Treasure Hunter passive on at all times?

My experience with the Research Folios has not changed in regards to the amount of drops from the beginning until now. Perhaps you are just having an unusually bad run of RNG?

Yes, Treasure Hunter is always on. You could be on to something, I might be having a run of unlucky RNG. I hope so because that's something that could return to my favor as opposed to the drop rate having been adjusted.

Jaraal

Dojohoda wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

Dojohoda wrote: »

I suspect the drop rate was scaled back because I am getting around 65 percent fewer than I did originally. However, I did not see any mention of nerfing it in the patch notes.

Came back to add that this is based off of the same thieving route that I have done numerous times in Necrom on several characters. I had been getting approximately 10 or 11 folios and now, since the most recent patch, I am getting 3 or 4 on the same route.

Have you had the Treasure Hunter passive on at all times?

My experience with the Research Folios has not changed in regards to the amount of drops from the beginning until now. Perhaps you are just having an unusually bad run of RNG?

Yes, Treasure Hunter is always on. You could be on to something, I might be having a run of unlucky RNG. I hope so because that's something that could return to my favor as opposed to the drop rate having been adjusted.

Yeah just last night I got three folios within 10 urns in a Vvardenfell tomb.

Interestingly, most of the furnishing plans I've gotten from him are clockwork style. He really likes Sotha Sil, and taking him to The Brass Fortress is a +10 reputation hit.

Pitterpatter69

I may have to test out some stealing. I have gotten the folios rarely so far only from non stealing, but I haven't actually stolen anything with him active yet.[/quote]

I also might need to steal more lol

Pitterpatter69

I figured it out. Yes, it's stealing vs "free" containers. And you have to have Azandar out, which i don't like. You don't have to have Mirri out to get her perk but oh well.

Azriael2

Pitterpatter69 wrote: »

I figured it out. Yes, it's stealing vs "free" containers. And you have to have Azandar out, which i don't like. You don't have to have Mirri out to get her perk but oh well.

If you have his keepsake, you don't have to have him out - I see no difference on alts with him out and on ones with his keepsake only.

TybaltKaine

I tried this yesterday, as I haven't really used him at all yet. I got one folio while doing legit searches in 4 hours of gameplay.

That's either terrible RNG or a very low drop rate in general.

I'm going to do 4 hours of stealing today to see what I get.

Pitterpatter69

Azriael2 wrote: »

Pitterpatter69 wrote: »

I figured it out. Yes, it's stealing vs "free" containers. And you have to have Azandar out, which i don't like. You don't have to have Mirri out to get her perk but oh well.

If you have his keepsake, you don't have to have him out - I see no difference on alts with him out and on ones with his keepsake only.

His tea set?

Azriael2

Pitterpatter69 wrote: »

Azriael2 wrote: »

Pitterpatter69 wrote: »

I figured it out. Yes, it's stealing vs "free" containers. And you have to have Azandar out, which i don't like. You don't have to have Mirri out to get her perk but oh well.

If you have his keepsake, you don't have to have him out - I see no difference on alts with him out and on ones with his keepsake only.

His tea set?

Yes, it has his perk without need to take him out.

TybaltKaine wrote: »

I tried this yesterday, as I haven't really used him at all yet. I got one folio while doing legit searches in 4 hours of gameplay.

That's either terrible RNG or a very low drop rate in general.

I'm going to do 4 hours of stealing today to see what I get.

You were doing something wrong. In Sailenmora I'm getting average 10-15 portfolios in 20 minutes (20 minutes because my alts are not leveled and there are some monsters to killl), more in city by stealing.

TybaltKaine

So, after 4 hours of casual stealing not focused or trying to run an efficient loop, I got 52 Folios.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that the chances are better when stealing versus looting in the wild. There may be other factors too, like container type and location (Maybe better chance in Necrom?)

I will say that I was getting almost no hidden wallets while I had Azandar active. I got 2 when I usually get around 10 or so per hour. Since I was stealing anyway, I incorporated pickpocketing on a hunch that there might be some funny stuff with loot tables.

None of this is hard data, as it was a very impromptu study. Taking to time to actually record findings in a set location would be better for eliminating variables.

Gonna run around Coldharbour and see what kind of results I get from looting vs stealing.

RoseVex

for some reason, i'm getting them and i haven't even maxed his rapport. Might have been fixed since i last played though

TybaltKaine

After running a full loop in the Hollow City (fully unlocked, Main Quest completed, all homes possible opened) I collected a total of 157 containers of all types (not counting grain sacks, apple baskets and other specifically named containers) and got 1 Folio. I have done Azandar's second quest and his rapport is level 5.

It seems to me that this works better with stealing, and only for certain containers. I found that urns seem to have the highest drop rate, no matter the region, while generic crates, barrels, sacks, backpacks and baskets have the lowest.

Nightstands, Desks, Cupboards, Dressers and Wardrobes seem to be in the middle.

I don't have enough data for regular looting to see if the same trend applies.

Necrotech_Master

RoseVex wrote: »

for some reason, i'm getting them and i haven't even maxed his rapport. Might have been fixed since i last played though

if you have him active, it gives you the bonus, regardless of what level, or rapport he is at

if you have the keepsake, you dont even need to have him active, or even unlocked on a toon, to get the bonus

Jaraal

TybaltKaine wrote: »

I found that urns seem to have the highest drop rate, no matter the region

Yep, I get a folio every 20ish urns in both Necrom and Vvardenfell. Haven't tried the Summerset urn farms with him yet, but I'm betting the drop rate will be similar.

Dysturbed

2 days 3 public dungeons 5 delves and only 1 perk drop.

SilverBride

I've only gotten 3 or 4 of these ever and my Rapport with Azandar is maxed.

SeaGtGruff

TybaltKaine wrote: »

Gonna run around Coldharbour and see what kind of results I get from looting vs stealing.

TybaltKaine wrote: »

I found that urns seem to have the highest drop rate, no matter the region,

The Old Orsinium public dungeon in Wrothgar has a huge number of urns, although looting them isn't stealing.