[QUESTION] Graphical update?

Elrender

Hello. I want to ask devs are there any plans about upgrading ESO graphics with any new features like:
- Lightning upgrade (deferred lightning for example, or even RT support, new types of Ambient occlusion and etc)
- Hair\Cloth physics
- Run\Fight animations with motion capture
- View distance set to more then 100?
- DLSS 3 implementation
- and etc

Elrender

also i want personally know will you upgrade grass from 2d one to full 3d grass?

colossalvoids

You could expect more rendering and optimisation tech for sure, but other than that I'd not hold any hopes whatsoever as it always was pretty low on their list as far as players were told. One thing I'd never expect happening is actual physics as it's basically asks for a whole game overhaul.

Hurbster

The view distance certainly needs improving.

h9dlb

Unreal 5

Tandor

It's doubtful whether very much in the way of graphic enhancements could be managed without (a) rewriting much of the existing game engine and (b) severely impacting on performance. Remember also that when ZOS previously responded to half the players calling for lighting enhancements they ended up with half the players hating what they'd done, so their approach since then has been to leave well alone beyond incremental upgrades as technical advances permit them with the result that many consider the later zones to look better than the earlier ones. Personally, I have no problem with any of the graphics in the game on PC with reasonably high settings but it's all very subjective.

_Zathras_

Maybe the new game they are working on will have a different engine, and better coding.

Considering all the nip and tucking they are doing to Improve Performance (tm), I don't think richer, more detailed graphics fit into their long term plans for ESO.

Ragnarok0130

My main focus in ESO is large group content in trials and some bosses like the reef guardian in DSR is already very taxing on moderately high end PCs so I don’t want a heavier graphics package to make the situation even worse. This is not even considering how such a newer graphics package would lock many current players out of playing the game they purchased simply because they have older PCs or last gen consoles.

Then as people have already said there’s the very subjective nature of if the player base would like this improvements. Judging from the almost universal revulsion to the minor change of the Templar spear and associated animation by Templar players I think it’s very likely that such a major change in graphics would be very unpopular.

TaSheen

An "upgrade" to graphics is what killed my last two mmos for me. I'm not interested in ZOS changing stuff - just look at what they did to the Templar jabs and spear model; and the nearly universally hated change to Redguard light armor.

Also there's the fact that many play on older, not much better than the "min reqs" machines, and not everyone can afford the latest greatest gaming rig.

They might considering upping poly counts in base game landscapes, though even that might be a real stretch for some machines.

Elrender

TaSheen wrote: »

An "upgrade" to graphics is what killed my last two mmos for me. I'm not interested in ZOS changing stuff - just look at what they did to the Templar jabs and spear model; and the nearly universally hated change to Redguard light armor.

Also there's the fact that many play on older, not much better than the "min reqs" machines, and not everyone can afford the latest greatest gaming rig.

They might considering upping poly counts in base game landscapes, though even that might be a real stretch for some machines.

Please dont tell me about ppl on old PCs. Even a GTX970 can run eso with 60+ fps in 1920x1080 with full ultra-high settings. And its with GPU from 2014 year. You people living in good, wealthy countries and cant upgrade your pcs? Really? I live in Russia and even i can do that once a 5-6years. To be able to play MMOs, that are way less demanding then standard PC ingle player games

TaSheen

I'm retired living on a fixed income - though it's a good one, I'm not wealthy. I'm running ESO on an 8 year old machine on an NVIDIA GTX960, with 2 4k screens. My fps varies wildly as my only available connection (from a very small town in the US southwest) is satellite. And I'm buying a new gaming rig this fall, after I get stuff caught up from the last year of paying off a new SUV.

I wasn't talking about me. I was talking about people without the same sort of income I have (there are lots, not only here in the US but worldwide), on less viable machines, and that includes those console users who haven't been able to upgrade to the latest consoles for various reasons.

Regardless all that, I personally do not want to turn ZOS loose on "upgrading graphics" - because I will bet many will not be happy about how that turns out considering history.

kumenit_taeynav

@Hurbster if you play on pc you can find the user settings file and manually adjust the settings there. idk if theres anything like that on console bc i dont play on those platforms.

as for the idea of upgrading graphics? im gonna have to give it a hard no if itd affect everyone regardless of what their personal settings are. like if they need to update their system for rendering light for everyone or something like that instead of just adding in another tier people can select if they want. they already upgraded the graphics beyond what my laptop could handle when they released the Deadlands update. there wasnt any warnings or hints about it that i was made aware of so suddenly my game became downright unfunctional! players and npcs werent loading in which made all combat impossible, everyone could attack me but i couldnt even see them; getting stuck in loading screens or unloaded chunks of land every 5 steps made just walking through any town to do crafting writs impossible; dealing with guards during a bounty was downright infuriating bc if i got caught during a loading screen the arrest ticker would already be timed out and id be dead by the time the game finished loading the next 10 feet in front of me. i tried sending in tickets about this to figure out why this was happening in the first place and how i could go about fixing it but to no avail, i got some recommendations to delete the shader cache file which would just add on several minutes before i even reached the character select screen and would alleviate my problems until i had to backtrack to an area to do something such as handing in a quest or visit a merchant to clear out my inventory. this problem wasnt solved until a got a whole new laptop from an incredibly generous guildie.

TLDR not everyone plays on a god tier gamer pc, im one of the folks who plays on a dinky old laptop. i vehemently hate the idea of being forced out of playing a game im passionate about a second time over bc of another graphics update that i cant opt out of. im completely fine with people who want better graphics having more toggles for that but never at the expense of the experience of the folks who cant have or dont want to have a god tier pc.

ZOS_Kevin

Hi there, wanted to follow up. The team is always looking at new tech that can be used to improve the look and fidelity of ESO and where they can include those changes in the roadmap. While we don't have any concrete information to share today, the team is looking into a few things to help keep ESO visually appealing for years to come. We will also pass on this thread so they know that the community is asking about various potential upgrades.

Elrender

TaSheen wrote: »

I'm retired living on a fixed income - though it's a good one, I'm not wealthy. I'm running ESO on an 8 year old machine on an NVIDIA GTX960, with 2 4k screens. My fps varies wildly as my only available connection (from a very small town in the US southwest) is satellite. And I'm buying a new gaming rig this fall, after I get stuff caught up from the last year of paying off a new SUV.

I wasn't talking about me. I was talking about people without the same sort of income I have (there are lots, not only here in the US but worldwide), on less viable machines, and that includes those console users who haven't been able to upgrade to the latest consoles for various reasons.

Regardless all that, I personally do not want to turn ZOS loose on "upgrading graphics" - because I will bet many will not be happy about how that turns out considering history.

every game has thing called graphics settings

Vhozek

I would be a happy dog if they threw me a bone and added contrast and saturation settings for a start. Sounds simple enough but what do I know?
Reducing my reliance on ReShade would be nice.
I know there's a bit more than just that going on here but contrast and saturation make a big difference. Yes, there's a difference from doing it ingame and on your drivers or monitor settings.

Vhozek

TaSheen wrote: »

I'm retired living on a fixed income - though it's a good one, I'm not wealthy. I'm running ESO on an 8 year old machine on an NVIDIA GTX960, with 2 4k screens. My fps varies wildly as my only available connection (from a very small town in the US southwest) is satellite. And I'm buying a new gaming rig this fall, after I get stuff caught up from the last year of paying off a new SUV.

I wasn't talking about me. I was talking about people without the same sort of income I have (there are lots, not only here in the US but worldwide), on less viable machines, and that includes those console users who haven't been able to upgrade to the latest consoles for various reasons.

Regardless all that, I personally do not want to turn ZOS loose on "upgrading graphics" - because I will bet many will not be happy about how that turns out considering history.

If you're not tech sabby, I suggest you press ESC key on your keyboard and go to the Graphics or Video settings in every game you own. Play around with that by lowering the sliders or choosing Low or Medium.
Every game's settings is different, sometimes it doesn't even say "Graphics" or "Video" and it just shows an icon of a monitor.
Tip: Shadows at medium will always be good.

If you don't know what something is like Bloom, turn it off. It's probably eating at your machine's performance. If you didn't like the changes, try choosing a low option and scale yourself up until you're comfortable.

Vhozek

wilykcat wrote: »

If eso gets guild wars 2 graphics but better, the game will drastically improve. Especially with all animations, quality, customization options, textures, lighting, and physics.

I love GW2 graphics even though it kinda reminds me of Fallout 3. Somehow they're good.

SkaiFaith

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Hi there, wanted to follow up. The team is always looking at new tech that can be used to improve the look and fidelity of ESO and where they can include those changes in the roadmap. While we don't have any concrete information to share today, the team is looking into a few things to help keep ESO visually appealing for years to come. We will also pass on this thread so they know that the community is asking about various potential upgrades.

Thank you very much for sharing @ZOS_Kevin !

I want to take to devs attention that consoles (I'm on series X) have issues despite their power, like some low quality textures. I'll give an example with 2 screenshots: in one you can see the lock of the door looks pixelated; in the other the rocks look blurry. These are just examples, we console players would really appreciate higher quality textures overall...

Another request, highly demanded over the years, is to add the vertical slider for the camera positioning on consoles - we are still missing it to this days and it would be a huge improvement to many of us if we could have it as it has always been on PC.

Thanks in advance and keep up the good work! I'm genuinely happy to know now that you are dedicated to improve graphics for many years to come for this game! Seriously, it's a relief

TaSheen

Vhozek wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

I'm retired living on a fixed income - though it's a good one, I'm not wealthy. I'm running ESO on an 8 year old machine on an NVIDIA GTX960, with 2 4k screens. My fps varies wildly as my only available connection (from a very small town in the US southwest) is satellite. And I'm buying a new gaming rig this fall, after I get stuff caught up from the last year of paying off a new SUV.

I wasn't talking about me. I was talking about people without the same sort of income I have (there are lots, not only here in the US but worldwide), on less viable machines, and that includes those console users who haven't been able to upgrade to the latest consoles for various reasons.

Regardless all that, I personally do not want to turn ZOS loose on "upgrading graphics" - because I will bet many will not be happy about how that turns out considering history.

If you're not tech sabby, I suggest you press ESC key on your keyboard and go to the Graphics or Video settings in every game you own. Play around with that by lowering the sliders or choosing Low or Medium.
Every game's settings is different, sometimes it doesn't even say "Graphics" or "Video" and it just shows an icon of a monitor.
Tip: Shadows at medium will always be good.

If you don't know what something is like Bloom, turn it off. It's probably eating at your machine's performance. If you didn't like the changes, try choosing a low option and scale yourself up until you're comfortable.

I'm able to run the game at ultra except for shadow and reflections (and that's because shadows and reflections annoy me visually).

I built my first machine in 1990....

Tandor

[snip]

You can name any game and say if ESO had the same graphics but better it would drastically improve !

Personally I much prefer ESO's graphics to GW2's which I also have installed currently although I never play it, in part because the graphics don't do anything for me compared to ESO's. Like I said above, these things are always subjective.

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TaSheen

That would - annoy me to the point of dropping the game. And it's also why I don't play GW2....

KaGaOri

Would absolutely love if devs could revisit base game zones and modernize how they look. Not redesign stuff completely, just polish existng models and aply higher resolution textures. Maybe like: "we have these two new dungeons for Q3 and we also upgraded all tree models in base game zones".

And as a personal pet peeve - is there any chance for someone to look at horse's skeleton (+ other mounts that use it)? Run cycle of a horse is likely best documented one in the world (being among first things people bothered to capture on film etc) and yet all horses in the game look lame (not in slang term sense, in "physically impaired and unfit to be riden" sense) and are kind of floating above terrain instead of sticking to it like canine and feline mounts do.

Tandor

[snip]
Absolutely dreadful. Take away those lighting displays and the background graphics look circa 1990, and the lighting displays themselves would look totally out of place in ESO.

Unfortunately we are partway there already with the green beams, triangles and circles of the Arcanist, which whenever there are several together e.g. at a dolmen create a blinding mass of bright colour that prevents us from seeing what's going on. Heaven forbid that those sorts of displays should become the standard for all the classes.

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Inaya1

I don't use any enb, only the graphics settings of the game. She looks quite pleasant. But the old locations clearly need to be reworked - for example, grahtwood. Physics is also lacking, but the basic animations of actions and the use of different weapons bother me more, this looks very bad.

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N3CR01

TaSheen wrote: »

I'm retired living on a fixed income - though it's a good one, I'm not wealthy. I'm running ESO on an 8 year old machine on an NVIDIA GTX960, with 2 4k screens. My fps varies wildly as my only available connection (from a very small town in the US southwest) is satellite. And I'm buying a new gaming rig this fall, after I get stuff caught up from the last year of paying off a new SUV.

I wasn't talking about me. I was talking about people without the same sort of income I have (there are lots, not only here in the US but worldwide), on less viable machines, and that includes those console users who haven't been able to upgrade to the latest consoles for various reasons.

Regardless all that, I personally do not want to turn ZOS loose on "upgrading graphics" - because I will bet many will not be happy about how that turns out considering history.

I gotta ask, you're not running ESO in 4k on that card are you?
If so, no wonder your fps isn't very good.

TaSheen

N3CR01 wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

I'm retired living on a fixed income - though it's a good one, I'm not wealthy. I'm running ESO on an 8 year old machine on an NVIDIA GTX960, with 2 4k screens. My fps varies wildly as my only available connection (from a very small town in the US southwest) is satellite. And I'm buying a new gaming rig this fall, after I get stuff caught up from the last year of paying off a new SUV.

I wasn't talking about me. I was talking about people without the same sort of income I have (there are lots, not only here in the US but worldwide), on less viable machines, and that includes those console users who haven't been able to upgrade to the latest consoles for various reasons.

Regardless all that, I personally do not want to turn ZOS loose on "upgrading graphics" - because I will bet many will not be happy about how that turns out considering history.

I gotta ask, you're not running ESO in 4k on that card are you?
If so, no wonder your fps isn't very good.

Yes I am. And my fps is the same as it was before the 4k screens - varying wildly depending on what my connection is doing, and where I am in the game.

By "varying wildly" I mean from ~30 fps in Vivec at prime time on PC EU (which is when I play there) to ~60 fps off-peak on PC NA.

Outside of Vivec I get ~60 fps most anywhere else. I don't actually do anything in any of the cities except Vivec which is where I craft on multiple characters.

Elrender

TaSheen wrote: »

N3CR01 wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

I'm retired living on a fixed income - though it's a good one, I'm not wealthy. I'm running ESO on an 8 year old machine on an NVIDIA GTX960, with 2 4k screens. My fps varies wildly as my only available connection (from a very small town in the US southwest) is satellite. And I'm buying a new gaming rig this fall, after I get stuff caught up from the last year of paying off a new SUV.

I wasn't talking about me. I was talking about people without the same sort of income I have (there are lots, not only here in the US but worldwide), on less viable machines, and that includes those console users who haven't been able to upgrade to the latest consoles for various reasons.

Regardless all that, I personally do not want to turn ZOS loose on "upgrading graphics" - because I will bet many will not be happy about how that turns out considering history.

I gotta ask, you're not running ESO in 4k on that card are you?
If so, no wonder your fps isn't very good.

Yes I am. And my fps is the same as it was before the 4k screens - varying wildly depending on what my connection is doing, and where I am in the game.

By "varying wildly" I mean from ~30 fps in Vivec at prime time on PC EU (which is when I play there) to ~60 fps off-peak on PC NA.

Outside of Vivec I get ~60 fps most anywhere else. I don't actually do anything in any of the cities except Vivec which is where I craft on multiple characters.

Playing in 4k with GTX960 is a very bad idea. Even RTX3060 cant run games in 4k smoothly.

N3CR01

Elrender wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

N3CR01 wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

I'm retired living on a fixed income - though it's a good one, I'm not wealthy. I'm running ESO on an 8 year old machine on an NVIDIA GTX960, with 2 4k screens. My fps varies wildly as my only available connection (from a very small town in the US southwest) is satellite. And I'm buying a new gaming rig this fall, after I get stuff caught up from the last year of paying off a new SUV.

I wasn't talking about me. I was talking about people without the same sort of income I have (there are lots, not only here in the US but worldwide), on less viable machines, and that includes those console users who haven't been able to upgrade to the latest consoles for various reasons.

Regardless all that, I personally do not want to turn ZOS loose on "upgrading graphics" - because I will bet many will not be happy about how that turns out considering history.

I gotta ask, you're not running ESO in 4k on that card are you?
If so, no wonder your fps isn't very good.

Yes I am. And my fps is the same as it was before the 4k screens - varying wildly depending on what my connection is doing, and where I am in the game.

By "varying wildly" I mean from ~30 fps in Vivec at prime time on PC EU (which is when I play there) to ~60 fps off-peak on PC NA.

Outside of Vivec I get ~60 fps most anywhere else. I don't actually do anything in any of the cities except Vivec which is where I craft on multiple characters.

Playing in 4k with GTX960 is a very bad idea. Even RTX3060 cant run games in 4k smoothly.

Agreed.
I remember trying ESO on my i5 12600k / Radeon 6700XT (a 1440p card with 12Gb VRAM) in 4k and it didn't run well at all.

Elrond87

Tandor wrote: »

[snip]
Unfortunately we are partway there already with the green beams, triangles and circles of the Arcanist, which whenever there are several together e.g. at a dolmen create a blinding mass of bright colour that prevents us from seeing what's going on. Heaven forbid that those sorts of displays should become the standard for all the classes.

turn off ally effects their beams wont show much at all

Kiyonami

Elrender wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

An "upgrade" to graphics is what killed my last two mmos for me. I'm not interested in ZOS changing stuff - just look at what they did to the Templar jabs and spear model; and the nearly universally hated change to Redguard light armor.

Also there's the fact that many play on older, not much better than the "min reqs" machines, and not everyone can afford the latest greatest gaming rig.

They might considering upping poly counts in base game landscapes, though even that might be a real stretch for some machines.

Please dont tell me about ppl on old PCs. Even a GTX970 can run eso with 60+ fps in 1920x1080 with full ultra-high settings. And its with GPU from 2014 year. You people living in good, wealthy countries and cant upgrade your pcs? Really? I live in Russia and even i can do that once a 5-6years. To be able to play MMOs, that are way less demanding then standard PC ingle player games

But this does not mean that we print thousands of banknotes for ourselves... Life doesn't just revolve around games and PCs.

TaSheen wrote: »

I'm retired living on a fixed income - though it's a good one, I'm not wealthy. I'm running ESO on an 8 year old machine on an NVIDIA GTX960, with 2 4k screens. My fps varies wildly as my only available connection (from a very small town in the US southwest) is satellite. And I'm buying a new gaming rig this fall, after I get stuff caught up from the last year of paying off a new SUV.

I wasn't talking about me. I was talking about people without the same sort of income I have (there are lots, not only here in the US but worldwide), on less viable machines, and that includes those console users who haven't been able to upgrade to the latest consoles for various reasons.

Regardless all that, I personally do not want to turn ZOS loose on "upgrading graphics" - because I will bet many will not be happy about how that turns out considering history.

I completely agree. i5 3570k and GTX 780 from 2013 here... O_/ But I use display from 2010 (1440x900 75Hz) and no matter what anyone says, I like it.