Dro-m'Athra style from new Crown crate.

laniakea_0

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

laniakea_0 wrote: »

Braffin wrote: »

laniakea_0 wrote: »

I check the store any time there's a new crate with new stock. I haven't noticed anything like this before. but it doesn't matter. if they are just in the crate, it's hardly different from buying it for crowns directly. even buying it with crown gems would be fine if it's the right price, since it come from the same source. but this is the first time I saw it being available from the seals shop. anyway, even if this happened before, I still take the same issue with it. these are high level rewards and you shouldn't be able to get them by doing little more than logging into the game.

Sorry, I don't get it.

Fine, you're one of the guys which are organizing rewards into some sort of levelled system to determine their worth as status symbol. A questionable opinion at best, but to each his own.
Still, you don't seem to have a problem if people simply buy this motif with either real money or gold. But an alternative way to earn it by working for it seems out of the question.

Why is that?

Because it's just no challenge at all. you can log in once a day, kill a few mobs, craft a few things, read a few books, or whatever else is on the list to get your seals, and after a couple months (easily less than 2) you'll have enough to just buy the whole motif. this is basically no effort. you're playing the game anyway so you're just earning it passively as you go along. now, I didn't want to get into the crown store option because that's another whole topic. I don't like that you can buy these things there for real money but that's not the point of this thread. my point is that this particular motif is awarded for completing challenging content and I don't believe it's wise to basically give it away for free. even buying it from other players for gold is more challenging than this because you've got to save up enough gold first. I don't know where some of the people in this thread get so much gold in just a few minutes, but even getting 100k takes me more than a week (unless I'm finding and selling motifs or an event just ended, which is usually not the case) and I'm sure that most players aren't that much more successful either. so yeah, even getting the gold to buy it is more challenging than basically getting it for free through the seals shop.

Go to Kenarthi's Roost. Harvest every blacksmithing, clothing, or jewelry node you come across. In about an hour you should have around 500k in mats, more if you get lucky with refining.

It's ridiculous to gatekeep something like this when 1) it's already been sold in the crown store many times, and 2) it takes very little effort already to get enough gold to buy the motifs.

Other trial motifs like the Welkynar style have literally never left the crown store and I don't see anyone complaining about that.

ok, fair enough. I guess I could do that to get gold. however, I want to use my time playing the game, not grinding resources. spending hours grinding the same small activity isn't such a rewarding experience. I'd rather travel the map and fight various tough enemies and experience quests and stories.

Braffin

laniakea_0 wrote: »

to be blunt. if you get something basically for free with little to no effort, you didn't earn it. there is no accomplishment here. which defeats the purpose of this motif. it's a reward for end-game content. making it available in this fashion diminishes the accomplishment of those that get it the intended way. that sense of accomplishment and the fruits of that labor absolutely is something players are looking for.

1) Grinding the heck out of Rakkhat in nMoL has nothing to do with endgame content. The reward for doing vMoL HM is the title "dro m'athra destroyer" which can't be bought in crown store.
2) If we follow your argumentation, all trial-related (and also dungeon-related) motifs would've to be bind on pickup or tradeable in group at most. You would also have to exclude them from anniversary boxes. That never was the case, which is a clear indicator this motifs were always intended to be earnable in various ways.

Of course one could say it's bad for ingame economy, when prices are dropping at guild stores, but to be as blunt as you, I honestly don't care

CameraBeardThePirate

laniakea_0 wrote: »

to be blunt. if you get something basically for free with little to no effort, you didn't earn it. there is no accomplishment here. which defeats the purpose of this motif. it's a reward for end-game content. making it available in this fashion diminishes the accomplishment of those that get it the intended way. that sense of accomplishment and the fruits of that labor absolutely is something players are looking for.

But as most of us here have already tried telling you, this style (and many other trial styles) have been in the crown store already. Beyond that, it takes "little to no effort" (a couple hours of farming mats at the most) to have enough gold to buy the mats. Motifs have never been a sign of accomplishment in this game.

freespirit

laniakea_0 wrote: »

to be blunt. if you get something basically for free with little to no effort, you didn't earn it. there is no accomplishment here. which defeats the purpose of this motif. it's a reward for end-game content. making it available in this fashion diminishes the accomplishment of those that get it the intended way. that sense of accomplishment and the fruits of that labor absolutely is something players are looking for.

I have had this motif since just after it first released, I earned some, I swapped some, I got some from Anniversary Reward boxes and I probably brought a couple.

You want people to "earn" it in the way that was originally intended? The issue I have with that is it has ALWAYS been tradeable, so it is highly likely very,very few people actually earned the full set themselves but instead earned some, swapped some and brought the rest.

To my mind it is non of my business how other people choose to play the game and as many people have pointed out it is an old motif, it has been in the store before and will likely return again at a later date. The only thing I am wondering is do you sell these motif's pages? Is this hitting your gold earning abilitiies?

If not why are you so bothered by how other people get their copy?

CameraBeardThePirate

freespirit wrote: »

laniakea_0 wrote: »

to be blunt. if you get something basically for free with little to no effort, you didn't earn it. there is no accomplishment here. which defeats the purpose of this motif. it's a reward for end-game content. making it available in this fashion diminishes the accomplishment of those that get it the intended way. that sense of accomplishment and the fruits of that labor absolutely is something players are looking for.

I have had this motif since just after it first released, I earned some, I swapped some, I got some from Anniversary Reward boxes and I probably brought a couple.

You want people to "earn" it in the way that was originally intended? The issue I have with that is it has ALWAYS been tradeable, so it is highly likely very,very few people actually earned the full set themselves but instead earned some, swapped some and brought the rest.

To my mind it is non of my business how other people choose to play the game and as many people have pointed out it is an old motif, it has been in the store before and will likely return again at a later date. The only thing I am wondering is do you sell these motif's pages? Is this hitting your gold earning abilitiies?

If not why are you so bothered by how other people get their copy?

This. I'd actually wager the majority of players with a page from this style have likely never even done Maw. I've never stepped foot into the trial and i have half the pages just from the anniversary boxes.

laniakea_0

Braffin wrote: »

laniakea_0 wrote: »

to be blunt. if you get something basically for free with little to no effort, you didn't earn it. there is no accomplishment here. which defeats the purpose of this motif. it's a reward for end-game content. making it available in this fashion diminishes the accomplishment of those that get it the intended way. that sense of accomplishment and the fruits of that labor absolutely is something players are looking for.

1) Grinding the heck out of Rakkhat in nMoL has nothing to do with endgame content. The reward for doing vMoL HM is the title "dro m'athra destroyer" which can't be bought in crown store.
2) If we follow your argumentation, all trial-related (and also dungeon-related) motifs would've to be bind on pickup or tradeable in group at most. You would also have to exclude them from anniversary boxes. That never was the case, which is a clear indicator this motifs were always intended to be earnable in various ways.

Of course one could say it's bad for ingame economy, when prices are dropping at guild stores, but to be as blunt as you, I honestly don't care

I see your point. it doesn't need to be terribly difficult to get this stuff, but does it really have to be this easy?

CameraBeardThePirate

laniakea_0 wrote: »

Braffin wrote: »

laniakea_0 wrote: »

to be blunt. if you get something basically for free with little to no effort, you didn't earn it. there is no accomplishment here. which defeats the purpose of this motif. it's a reward for end-game content. making it available in this fashion diminishes the accomplishment of those that get it the intended way. that sense of accomplishment and the fruits of that labor absolutely is something players are looking for.

1) Grinding the heck out of Rakkhat in nMoL has nothing to do with endgame content. The reward for doing vMoL HM is the title "dro m'athra destroyer" which can't be bought in crown store.
2) If we follow your argumentation, all trial-related (and also dungeon-related) motifs would've to be bind on pickup or tradeable in group at most. You would also have to exclude them from anniversary boxes. That never was the case, which is a clear indicator this motifs were always intended to be earnable in various ways.

Of course one could say it's bad for ingame economy, when prices are dropping at guild stores, but to be as blunt as you, I honestly don't care

I see your point. it doesn't need to be terribly difficult to get this stuff, but does it really have to be this easy?

The point is that it's already that easy. Adding the style to Crown Crates changes nothing because it's always been easy to get the style.

Braffin

laniakea_0 wrote: »

Braffin wrote: »

laniakea_0 wrote: »

to be blunt. if you get something basically for free with little to no effort, you didn't earn it. there is no accomplishment here. which defeats the purpose of this motif. it's a reward for end-game content. making it available in this fashion diminishes the accomplishment of those that get it the intended way. that sense of accomplishment and the fruits of that labor absolutely is something players are looking for.

1) Grinding the heck out of Rakkhat in nMoL has nothing to do with endgame content. The reward for doing vMoL HM is the title "dro m'athra destroyer" which can't be bought in crown store.
2) If we follow your argumentation, all trial-related (and also dungeon-related) motifs would've to be bind on pickup or tradeable in group at most. You would also have to exclude them from anniversary boxes. That never was the case, which is a clear indicator this motifs were always intended to be earnable in various ways.

Of course one could say it's bad for ingame economy, when prices are dropping at guild stores, but to be as blunt as you, I honestly don't care

I see your point. it doesn't need to be terribly difficult to get this stuff, but does it really have to be this easy?

I see it this way: If someone decides to use endeavour points to earn this motif he is waiving to buy something which is exclusively crown store related. So I think it's fine.

laniakea_0

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

laniakea_0 wrote: »

Braffin wrote: »

laniakea_0 wrote: »

to be blunt. if you get something basically for free with little to no effort, you didn't earn it. there is no accomplishment here. which defeats the purpose of this motif. it's a reward for end-game content. making it available in this fashion diminishes the accomplishment of those that get it the intended way. that sense of accomplishment and the fruits of that labor absolutely is something players are looking for.

1) Grinding the heck out of Rakkhat in nMoL has nothing to do with endgame content. The reward for doing vMoL HM is the title "dro m'athra destroyer" which can't be bought in crown store.
2) If we follow your argumentation, all trial-related (and also dungeon-related) motifs would've to be bind on pickup or tradeable in group at most. You would also have to exclude them from anniversary boxes. That never was the case, which is a clear indicator this motifs were always intended to be earnable in various ways.

Of course one could say it's bad for ingame economy, when prices are dropping at guild stores, but to be as blunt as you, I honestly don't care

I see your point. it doesn't need to be terribly difficult to get this stuff, but does it really have to be this easy?

The point is that it's already that easy. Adding the style to Crown Crates changes nothing because it's always been easy to get the style.

farming gold and gathering seals are very far apart in difficulty. seals take longer but they are so much easier to get.

LunaFlora

laniakea_0 wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

laniakea_0 wrote: »

Braffin wrote: »

laniakea_0 wrote: »

to be blunt. if you get something basically for free with little to no effort, you didn't earn it. there is no accomplishment here. which defeats the purpose of this motif. it's a reward for end-game content. making it available in this fashion diminishes the accomplishment of those that get it the intended way. that sense of accomplishment and the fruits of that labor absolutely is something players are looking for.

1) Grinding the heck out of Rakkhat in nMoL has nothing to do with endgame content. The reward for doing vMoL HM is the title "dro m'athra destroyer" which can't be bought in crown store.
2) If we follow your argumentation, all trial-related (and also dungeon-related) motifs would've to be bind on pickup or tradeable in group at most. You would also have to exclude them from anniversary boxes. That never was the case, which is a clear indicator this motifs were always intended to be earnable in various ways.

Of course one could say it's bad for ingame economy, when prices are dropping at guild stores, but to be as blunt as you, I honestly don't care

I see your point. it doesn't need to be terribly difficult to get this stuff, but does it really have to be this easy?

The point is that it's already that easy. Adding the style to Crown Crates changes nothing because it's always been easy to get the style.

farming gold and gathering seals are very far apart in difficulty. seals take longer but they are so much easier to get.

some endeavors are completing trials, arenas, or dungeons. is that enough difficulty?? i've done those endeavors plenty

not that it should matter as this motif has like others have said been available for years and is something you can get from trading and even jubilee boxes.

people can also just give motif pages for free
whether it's through putting it in a guild bank, sending it in mail, or using the trade option when interacting with a player.

you do not get motifs from achievements from special trial achievements so it does not matter how you get it.

Braffin

laniakea_0 wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

laniakea_0 wrote: »

Braffin wrote: »

laniakea_0 wrote: »

to be blunt. if you get something basically for free with little to no effort, you didn't earn it. there is no accomplishment here. which defeats the purpose of this motif. it's a reward for end-game content. making it available in this fashion diminishes the accomplishment of those that get it the intended way. that sense of accomplishment and the fruits of that labor absolutely is something players are looking for.

1) Grinding the heck out of Rakkhat in nMoL has nothing to do with endgame content. The reward for doing vMoL HM is the title "dro m'athra destroyer" which can't be bought in crown store.
2) If we follow your argumentation, all trial-related (and also dungeon-related) motifs would've to be bind on pickup or tradeable in group at most. You would also have to exclude them from anniversary boxes. That never was the case, which is a clear indicator this motifs were always intended to be earnable in various ways.

Of course one could say it's bad for ingame economy, when prices are dropping at guild stores, but to be as blunt as you, I honestly don't care

I see your point. it doesn't need to be terribly difficult to get this stuff, but does it really have to be this easy?

The point is that it's already that easy. Adding the style to Crown Crates changes nothing because it's always been easy to get the style.

farming gold and gathering seals are very far apart in difficulty. seals take longer but they are so much easier to get.

Well, if we look at this week's weekly endeavours you can:

1) Kill 20 WBs
2) Gather 100 resources
3) Complete 3 trials

Two out of the 3 options are group content for a fair portion of players and definitely harder for them than farming gold, while the last option IS farming gold.

So, you now convinced me that buying this motif with endeavour points is indeed far more challenging than feeding the flippers with gold they don't deserve

laniakea_0

then let's look at it like this: 3600 seals vs. ~2m gold for the entire motif. still think gold is easier to get?
faster? sure! but is it actually easier?

LunaFlora

laniakea_0 wrote: »

then let's look at it like this: 3600 seals vs. ~2m gold for the entire motif. still think gold is easier to get?
faster? sure! but is it actually easier?

do you just hate that endeavours exist?

laniakea_0

no, I think endeavors are probably the best thing we got out of Blackwood. even better than the half-baked companions system. but they are pretty easy. I don't have a problem with that as long as it doesn't give you access to things that were supposed to be much harder to get.

TaSheen

But those older motifs were never "harder to get". The first year I played, I got drops of some of those older motif pages in the Jubilee coffers, and there were plenty on the guild traders too.

LunaFlora

laniakea_0 wrote: »

no, I think endeavors are probably the best thing we got out of Blackwood. even better than the half-baked companions system. but they are pretty easy. I don't have a problem with that as long as it doesn't give you access to things that were supposed to be much harder to get.

motifs were already easy to get before endeavours. like i said before

you can get motifs from jubilee boxes and
people can also just give motif pages for free
whether it's through putting it in a guild bank, sending it in mail, or using the trade option when interacting with a player.

you do not get motifs from special trial achievements so it does not matter how you get it.

and
earning motifs through completing a trial or dungeon is fun, but you don't need a motif to do more damage or survive better in a challenging trial you only need motifs for fashion and master writs.

so why do you think motifs need to be challenging to get?

Braffin

laniakea_0 wrote: »

then let's look at it like this: 3600 seals vs. ~2m gold for the entire motif. still think gold is easier to get?
faster? sure! but is it actually easier?

I'm indeed quite sure that gold is easier to get as well as faster, simply by doing writs.

1 toon earns at least 4,5k gold per day doing writs. In 8 weeks (that's the time you stated for gathering the necessary endeavour points) that's 252k gold/toon.

If you do that on 8 toons (which are included in the game without any additional purchase) you earn slighty above 2m gold just by doing your writs, which is both easier and faster than going for every endeavor.

sarahthes

Isn't the dro-m'Athra style still horribly overpriced on PC NA? Probably good to have some downward pressure on that for a bit.

barney2525

laniakea_0 wrote: »

Braffin wrote: »

laniakea_0 wrote: »

I check the store any time there's a new crate with new stock. I haven't noticed anything like this before. but it doesn't matter. if they are just in the crate, it's hardly different from buying it for crowns directly. even buying it with crown gems would be fine if it's the right price, since it come from the same source. but this is the first time I saw it being available from the seals shop. anyway, even if this happened before, I still take the same issue with it. these are high level rewards and you shouldn't be able to get them by doing little more than logging into the game.

Sorry, I don't get it.

Fine, you're one of the guys which are organizing rewards into some sort of levelled system to determine their worth as status symbol. A questionable opinion at best, but to each his own.
Still, you don't seem to have a problem if people simply buy this motif with either real money or gold. But an alternative way to earn it by working for it seems out of the question.

Why is that?

Because it's just no challenge at all. you can log in once a day, kill a few mobs, craft a few things, read a few books, or whatever else is on the list to get your seals, and after a couple months (easily less than 2) you'll have enough to just buy the whole motif. this is basically no effort. you're playing the game anyway so you're just earning it passively as you go along. now, I didn't want to get into the crown store option because that's another whole topic. I don't like that you can buy these things there for real money but that's not the point of this thread. my point is that this particular motif is awarded for completing challenging content and I don't believe it's wise to basically give it away for free. even buying it from other players for gold is more challenging than this because you've got to save up enough gold first. I don't know where some of the people in this thread get so much gold in just a few minutes, but even getting 100k takes me more than a week (unless I'm finding and selling motifs or an event just ended, which is usually not the case) and I'm sure that most players aren't that much more successful either. so yeah, even getting the gold to buy it is more challenging than basically getting it for free through the seals shop.

umm... doesn't take that much effort as you claim

buy about a dozen crates, if you have no gems stored up, turn the extra fluff into gems, Voila 1 100 gems. Takes about 10 minutes.

freespirit

Earning gold is so easy it's a joke, ok I admit I am a long term player but that doesn't affect this......

I do crafting dailies on eight characters everyday, was seven but I decided to add my baby Arcanist to the list so now it's eight. I have more characters but I get too bored to do them all.

Totally ignoring the gold I make just for doing the dailies, earlier this evening I sold the chromium platings I gathered as grains this past week and also the dreugh wax and tempering alloys.

I'm on PC EU and I listed them slightly below MM. 3 platings 16 wax and 16 alloys. they sold within the hour netting me around 1.2mill

This was only from rewards for doing those dailies, I have all the items I can premade and in the bank' if I don't get distracted those eight sets take under 45mins.

I am not even mentioning the surveys, the master writs and all the other stuff that comes from those dailies. it truly isn't hard to earn gold in ESO!!

RodneyRegis

But you've earnt 1.2 mil doing writs on 8 characters for a week. 45 mins a day, and if you did it for say 5 weeks you'd probably have enough to buy the full book.

I'm not saying it's hard to earn gold, but your example of how to earn gold quick is not that great. 5 hours a week to earn a mill?

RodneyRegis

HidesInPlainSight wrote: »

thedoodle_90 wrote: »

These pages are not 100k. They average 800k-1mil on PC... lol The 100k ones are like daggers.... and belts.

Only the chest are like a 800k.Rest of the pages are like 100k-300k.

Takes me 1 min 30 sec to farm 300k. i aint stepping in a trial unless i need to farm gear.

Now this is more interesting - 200k/minute - but no info.

Braffin

RodneyRegis wrote: »

But you've earnt 1.2 mil doing writs on 8 characters for a week. 45 mins a day, and if you did it for say 5 weeks you'd probably have enough to buy the full book.

I'm not saying it's hard to earn gold, but your example of how to earn gold quick is not that great. 5 hours a week to earn a mill?

How the heck do you manage to spend 45 min for doing writs on 8 toons?

freespirit

RodneyRegis wrote: »

But you've earnt 1.2 mil doing writs on 8 characters for a week. 45 mins a day, and if you did it for say 5 weeks you'd probably have enough to buy the full book.

I'm not saying it's hard to earn gold, but your example of how to earn gold quick is not that great. 5 hours a week to earn a mill?

That was just from some of the rewards from THIS week!

SOME of them, it is way, way more for the full amount!! I was using that as an example, I earn gold in many ways but you have to admit crafting dailies are easy gold.

Edit:- We are also only 4 days into the trading week at this point so I have 3 more days to go

freespirit

Braffin wrote: »

RodneyRegis wrote: »

But you've earnt 1.2 mil doing writs on 8 characters for a week. 45 mins a day, and if you did it for say 5 weeks you'd probably have enough to buy the full book.

I'm not saying it's hard to earn gold, but your example of how to earn gold quick is not that great. 5 hours a week to earn a mill?

How the heck do you manage to spend 45 min for doing writs on 8 toons?

I'm slow and easily distracted

Braffin

freespirit wrote: »

Braffin wrote: »

RodneyRegis wrote: »

But you've earnt 1.2 mil doing writs on 8 characters for a week. 45 mins a day, and if you did it for say 5 weeks you'd probably have enough to buy the full book.

I'm not saying it's hard to earn gold, but your example of how to earn gold quick is not that great. 5 hours a week to earn a mill?

How the heck do you manage to spend 45 min for doing writs on 8 toons?

I'm slow and easily distracted

Just joking, I'm also not doing all my writs in vivec and like to include survey gathering most of the time

RodneyRegis

Braffin wrote: »

RodneyRegis wrote: »

But you've earnt 1.2 mil doing writs on 8 characters for a week. 45 mins a day, and if you did it for say 5 weeks you'd probably have enough to buy the full book.

I'm not saying it's hard to earn gold, but your example of how to earn gold quick is not that great. 5 hours a week to earn a mill?

How the heck do you manage to spend 45 min for doing writs on 8 toons?

My 18 take around an hour with loading screens and generally not being 100% focused. But I do it very rarely cos it's very boring, only really if I want gold jewels, which is very rare these days, and I have about 40m which never goes down much.

But the guy I was responding to said 45 mins

RodneyRegis

Still interested to know the 200k a minute method tho.