No Proc stamsorc build help

OBJnoob

So... I'd been running Gaze of Sithis as a way to make use of the HP scaling hardened ward. And honestly it was a decent build... It even performed okay in BGs (which is kinda my test for no proc setups)

But in the end it just didn't have enough damage. So I'm going to try switching to the Markyn Ring, and redo my 5 piece set(s) to try and keep roughly the same HP.

I thought Order of Diagna would be interesting on the defensive bar because of all the healing %, which seems like it would be handy for a class with questionable healing, some of which doesn't scale with stats. And I like that the 2 and 3 piece bonuses are health because it'll always be active and increase my shield size and the blood magic passive heal from hitting people with crystal weapon-- both of which are on my front bar.

So my question about this set is basically pretty simple. Should I dual wield for my buff bar with like a nirn sword and powered dagger or should I use a powered resto staff?

And my second question is basically which set should I have active at all times? I'm using heartland now, which would help my stack those healing %s, but it'd honestly be nice if there were something with some +health.

And on front bar I'm going to have agility active, of course, with a bow.

HidesInPlainSight

Stamsorc has some, if not the best burst damage in the game.

Only class that can go full penetration build and still have the damage without needing damage sets.

You usually want your DW bar to be your execute bar, which can also be your buff bar. I keep Hurricane, CS, Deadly Cloak, Whirlwind and flex spot, so you get your passives that increase your % dmg on your execute bar.

Usually use Daggers or Maces. Crit surge depending on your build provides a good amount of passive healing, so crit chance is actually important, especially in No Proc No Cp.

For No CP, its very hard to recommend anything but DW / Bow for Stamsorc. For BGs Masters DW / Vatershran is probablly the best setup in the current meta, but DW / Bow is more than viable.

gariondavey

In no cp I go dw + bow or 2h + bow on stam sorc.
Gaze of sithis + 2 offensive sets (heartland conq, ancient dragonguard, automaton, deadly strikes, shattered fate, orders wrath, etc) + 1 magma incarnate

Dw
Bound armaments (semi flex, swap for curse/crystal weapon/crystal frags/spin2win), rapid strikes, camo hunter, deadly cloak, streak, dawnbreaker
Caltrops, dark deal, vigor, crit surge, hurricane, negate/undo
With 1 nirn dagger + 1 sharp dagger you'll have 42 percent crit chance or so, 6k+ wd, major + minor breach + other pen will be about 13k (not super high but crit chance is very strong for crit surge healing and all those dots criting away)

2h
Bound armaments (semi flex, swap for crystal weapon/crystal frags/executioner), wrecking blow, camo hunter, rally, streak, dawnbreaker
Curse, dark deal, vigor, caltrops, hurricane, negate/undo
With sharp maul + major and minor breach I have over 20k pen on this. Because rally is used over crit surge, crit chance isn't focused on, and those stats go towards pen. I've hit 10k crit wrecking blows on this in no cp ic/rw...pretty wild. The burst is pretty nice with timed curse + wrecking blow + dawnbreaker all landing at the same time. If you want you can add crystal weapon in that burst (as it was an option for front bar slot 1). Executioner is really nice too, though, especially if you are very fast with the light attack + executioner + block or dodge roll animation cancels.

OBJnoob

Yes I've run those setups before.

I'm not trying to totally ignore crit surge-- it's on my bar-- but the build idea is really to stack max HP. So I'm sorta trying to use the Blood Magic passive heal instead of crit surge. Or, rather, instead of building for crit. So this makes the crystal weapon skill integral to my build.

And whether it's a skill issue or a lag issue, I've always had trouble landing melee LAs reliably in PvP. So I'm locked in on using the bow offensively. So the question really is just what's best for healing.

I've been rocking a bow on my stamsorc for a couple years now (not that he's been my main all that time,) and it just feels nice to me. I think using a different weapon would kinda ruin the experience for me at this point. Streaking, rolling, and pewpewing is kinda what I like him for. Kinda how I make him different from my other toons.

Right now my front bar is: curse, streak, hardened ward, crystal weapon, bound armaments, Ballista Ult. I realize another weapon type would provide better tooltips but there's nothing wrong with the skill combo I've been killing people (no, not everyone,) like this for a long time. It's just pretty hilarious honestly cursing someone, ballistaing them, unloading your bound armaments and then streaking through. Turning around to watch them die to a plethora of 2k hits lol (though I suppose it's normally the big curse boom that does them in.)

So again... Call it a skill issue, a lag issue, or just a role play issue, but I'm really just wondering what sets to use.

I was using Gaze, Heartland, 1 magma Incarnate, 1 trainee, wrath of imperium FB and agility BB. The reason I'm changing is twofold: 1) the 1 agility ring is wasted when I'm on FB and I don't like that, 2) wrath of the imperium doesn't buff crystal weapon or ballista Ult.

So the way I see it... My options are either to keep my same set-up but use agility FB and BB (get rid of imperium,) and turn the imperium necklace into a druids braid or something...

Or to just run some more conventional 5pc bonuses.

Any thoughts, given this context?

gariondavey

I'd say for gear, if dropping wrath of imperium, pick up ancient dragonguard. Has a line of hp, will be fairly even for damage from wrath of the imperium, and then you aren't missing the 1 useless agility due to fb/bb.

With all attribute points into hp + gaze of sithis + expert summoner + 6 percent from undaunted + tri stats + bear haunt/jewels of misrule you should be at 40k or so I think, more with minor toughness.

As for back bar weapon, resto staff could be good for mag return as ward is expensive.

As for that combo, it is fun to use an ult (ballista) + ability (bound armaments) that most people dodge roll but can't as you streak them, so no shade. I my first post was just an explanation of fine tuned stam sorc that is melee focused

OBJnoob

Yes. The best stamsorcs I've seen definitely are melee not ranged. My first attempt on this build was 2H FB but after watching my own BG clip back and seeing how many crystal weapons were wasted swatting air I threw up a little.

I have a bow, chest, legs, and necklace for Way of Fire if I really wanted to kick it up a notch in BGs but for now I'm just trying to get the Noproc going.

Anyway I'm glad you see the amusement in my combo. I don't see anyone else using the ballista ult-- ice comet would probably work the same but better-- but I just really enjoy the style points. Ballista Ult+Bound Armaments+constant light attacks is actually, as I found out, a very good counter to Corrosive. Not that I would intentionally fire my ult into a Corrosive DK but it's funny when it happens regardless. Streak through them, turn around, and see them standing there having to blockheal just like everybody else. Like you can almost hear them thinking to themselves half-panicked "wait, what the heck, I'm still taking damage," yeah buddy that's right you're safe from the lions tigers and bears but those bees will sting ya!

Anyway back to the real discussion... Yes, I was thinking ancient dragonguard as well. But just to clarify, so, do you think I should keep wearing Gaze instead of switching to Markyn? And just rock two 5-pieces? I'm not unsatisfied with Gaze at all-- I will say that-- so this is definitely an option.

I don't have all my attributes into HP at the moment I think I kinda have an even spread. I'm an orc, so that helps with HP and also with my offensive healing style. Anyway... In my previously described set-up I have 38.6k HP in Ravenwatch. That's with my alliance having Emp but without minor toughness or an ayleid well. This gives a shield of like 8.5k if memory serves and makes the Blood Magic passive heal like 4.5k. I would definitely like to hit the 40k mark but I think 38 works pretty well also. Mostly I just want to eek out a little more damage without LOSING HP.

gariondavey

Yeah keep gaze, it's so good on stam sorc, especially in no proc. Stat density is wild, you don't block anyway, and fits your high hp shield build well. So yeah, gaze, 1 magma, 2 5 pieces should be good.

Is your shield actually doing 8.5k? Or is it doing 4.5k? Some people last patch weren't getting as large shields as they should have.

Yes, the curse + meteor + streak combo is even more effective than the ballista version, but if you are enjoying ballista and getting good results, do your thing

StaticWave

I am currently using essence thief front bar, trickery back bar, blood spawn monster set, and pale order.

Single target dmg is plenty with curse, cwep, and blood 4 blood. I also have 2-3 aoe dots with quick cloak, hurricane, and caltrops (ele sus if dueling).

Probably one of the best overall builds ive played. Healing comes mostly from being offensive and you have the movement speed to get away when overwhelmed. Sustain is easy because your main spammable costs HP which is covered by offensive healing anyways. I also run a charged off hand, so I get plenty of magicka back from minor magickasteal, so I can actually use sugar skulls and 1 stam regen glyph.

i11ionward

StaticWave wrote: »

I am currently using essence thief front bar, trickery back bar, blood spawn monster set, and pale order.

Single target dmg is plenty with curse, cwep, and blood 4 blood. I also have 2-3 aoe dots with quick cloak, hurricane, and caltrops (ele sus if dueling).

Probably one of the best overall builds ive played. Healing comes mostly from being offensive and you have the movement speed to get away when overwhelmed. Sustain is easy because your main spammable costs HP which is covered by offensive healing anyways. I also run a charged off hand, so I get plenty of magicka back from minor magickasteal, so I can actually use sugar skulls and 1 stam regen glyph.

Great advice for No Proc.
Although the build is interesting, but how to play BG with it? Will pale order work well in a group?

StaticWave

i11ionward wrote: »

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StaticWave wrote: »

I am currently using essence thief front bar, trickery back bar, blood spawn monster set, and pale order.

Single target dmg is plenty with curse, cwep, and blood 4 blood. I also have 2-3 aoe dots with quick cloak, hurricane, and caltrops (ele sus if dueling).

Probably one of the best overall builds ive played. Healing comes mostly from being offensive and you have the movement speed to get away when overwhelmed. Sustain is easy because your main spammable costs HP which is covered by offensive healing anyways. I also run a charged off hand, so I get plenty of magicka back from minor magickasteal, so I can actually use sugar skulls and 1 stam regen glyph.

Great advice for No Proc.
Although the build is interesting, but how to play BG with it? Will pale order work well in a group?

Yes the build still works well in BGs. You will only have 8% life steal, but if you stack enough AoE DoTs it will still be decent. It will also give you a small "HoT" for when you're going offensive. This heal also gets buffed by Major Vitality/Mending as well, so keep that in mind.

You essentially play it like a hit & run build but you have some extra tankiness and healing for when you have to brawl it out, if that makes sense.

gariondavey

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StaticWave wrote: »

I am currently using essence thief front bar, trickery back bar, blood spawn monster set, and pale order.

Single target dmg is plenty with curse, cwep, and blood 4 blood. I also have 2-3 aoe dots with quick cloak, hurricane, and caltrops (ele sus if dueling).

Probably one of the best overall builds ive played. Healing comes mostly from being offensive and you have the movement speed to get away when overwhelmed. Sustain is easy because your main spammable costs HP which is covered by offensive healing anyways. I also run a charged off hand, so I get plenty of magicka back from minor magickasteal, so I can actually use sugar skulls and 1 stam regen glyph.

Great advice for No Proc.
Although the build is interesting, but how to play BG with it? Will pale order work well in a group?

Don't wear pale order in a group, like a bg.
Staticwave is a mainly solo cyro player doing 1vX

OBJnoob

Yes. That is great advice for no proc <_< >_>

When I say "no proc" I don't mean "I don't like shooting fireballs out of my butt with a 15 second cooldown" (because I do! Lol,) I unfortunately mean Ravenwatch.

Also @gariondavey sorry I never answered your question earlier. I really don't know how to answer the question of how big my shield actually is. I'm on console and more importantly not much of a tester.

StaticWave

OBJnoob wrote: »

Yes. That is great advice for no proc <_< >_>

When I say "no proc" I don't mean "I don't like shooting fireballs out of my butt with a 15 second cooldown" (because I do! Lol,) I unfortunately mean Ravenwatch.

Also @gariondavey sorry I never answered your question earlier. I really don't know how to answer the question of how big my shield actually is. I'm on console and more importantly not much of a tester.

Oh you actually meant No Proc lmao. I thought you just meant a regular stat build.

In that case, as long as you have enough stam regen so you can use spell crit pots, then you’re solid.

gariondavey

OBJnoob wrote: »

Yes. That is great advice for no proc <_< >_>

When I say "no proc" I don't mean "I don't like shooting fireballs out of my butt with a 15 second cooldown" (because I do! Lol,) I unfortunately mean Ravenwatch.

Also @gariondavey sorry I never answered your question earlier. I really don't know how to answer the question of how big my shield actually is. I'm on console and more importantly not much of a tester.

Is your shield around 20 percent of your hp bar? If so you are getting the full 9k or so amount

OBJnoob

Well yes, but that's really just a guess. I have health numbers showing but I don't think there's a way to show shield numbers? And the shield creeps in from both sides, not from one side over, if you know what I mean. Yes I think it's 20%, but it's hard to be certain.

gariondavey

Can duel a friend, get them to cast 1 direct damage ability like dizzy swing, and see what it hits you for.
Then cast your shield and see how many hits it takes to remove the shield. If they hit for your 4k, and it takes 2 hits to remove the shield (or about there), then you know the shield is 9k or so.

StaticWave

You should have around 9k shield at 40k HP without bastion.

Personally I wouldn’t use the shield as it costs too much magicka to keep up on an HP build. You may have to get your mag regen really high to sustain that imo.