Bug? Or changes to the "Kill 20 ...." Quests?
RaidingTraiding
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I have noticed that since the Necrom patch, the "Kill 20 XXXXX" quests seem to calculate much differently than before, especially if you are in a group.
Previously, you could pick up the "Kill 20 Enemy Soldiers" quest and expect to complete it rather quickly. If you were surfing the zerg or in a zerg group, you could complete it during the next fight engagement.
No longer.
I have joined a lot of groups since the expansion's release, and have gotten Kill 20 Enemies shared to me. Some of these groups have been 5-6 people total, other times the full 12. After being in a 12 man group for 2.5 hours, I had 5/20 enemy players completed.
Initially I thought maybe it was because I was on a healer, so I brought out a brawler and made sure to get hits in. No consistent progress.
Then, maybe I thought I just needed to do the majority of the damage to a player. Still no consistent progress.
Next, I tried getting the killing blow on the enemy players. No consistent progress.
Finally, while in a 12 man group, doing the most damage (in some cases, ALL of the damage), AND getting the killing blow on enemy players, I would often not gain progress on my Kill 20 Enemies quest.
I have found this to be the same across ALL the kill 20 quests when grouped, not just the enemy players. I used the kill 20 enemies as my example since previously it had been the easiest to complete.
Before I made this post, I decided I should try some solo tests - one where I was solo with no group members and no other alliance members around, and another solo and zerg surfing. In both these instances the killing blows DID count towards Kill 20 Enemy Players completion when I was ungrouped.
Additionally, when I was stacking with my alliance it appeared I was getting credit for kills which didn't even count in my Kill Counter addon.
For example, before I went into a fight at Nikel, I was at 5/20 players. After the fight I had a kill streak of 8 with 3 killing blows and when I checked my quest, I had already completed it. It appears I got credit for 7 additional players that didn't register on the kill counter for a total of 15.
Is this an intended change to penalize people for joining groups?
Previously, you could pick up the "Kill 20 Enemy Soldiers" quest and expect to complete it rather quickly. If you were surfing the zerg or in a zerg group, you could complete it during the next fight engagement.
No longer.
I have joined a lot of groups since the expansion's release, and have gotten Kill 20 Enemies shared to me. Some of these groups have been 5-6 people total, other times the full 12. After being in a 12 man group for 2.5 hours, I had 5/20 enemy players completed.
Initially I thought maybe it was because I was on a healer, so I brought out a brawler and made sure to get hits in. No consistent progress.
Then, maybe I thought I just needed to do the majority of the damage to a player. Still no consistent progress.
Next, I tried getting the killing blow on the enemy players. No consistent progress.
Finally, while in a 12 man group, doing the most damage (in some cases, ALL of the damage), AND getting the killing blow on enemy players, I would often not gain progress on my Kill 20 Enemies quest.
I have found this to be the same across ALL the kill 20 quests when grouped, not just the enemy players. I used the kill 20 enemies as my example since previously it had been the easiest to complete.
Before I made this post, I decided I should try some solo tests - one where I was solo with no group members and no other alliance members around, and another solo and zerg surfing. In both these instances the killing blows DID count towards Kill 20 Enemy Players completion when I was ungrouped.
Additionally, when I was stacking with my alliance it appeared I was getting credit for kills which didn't even count in my Kill Counter addon.
For example, before I went into a fight at Nikel, I was at 5/20 players. After the fight I had a kill streak of 8 with 3 killing blows and when I checked my quest, I had already completed it. It appears I got credit for 7 additional players that didn't register on the kill counter for a total of 15.
Is this an intended change to penalize people for joining groups?
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RealLoveBVB✭✭✭✭✭RaidingTraiding wrote: »Additionally, when I was stacking with my alliance it appeared I was getting credit for kills which didn't even count in my Kill Counter addon.
For example, before I went into a fight at Nikel, I was at 5/20 players. After the fight I had a kill streak of 8 with 3 killing blows and when I checked my quest, I had already completed it. It appears I got credit for 7 additional players that didn't register on the kill counter for a total of 15
For the "kill 20 players" it doesn't require to deal any damage at all. If one of your group mate is killing players 200 meters away, you will get the progress on the quest too. That's why it doesn't count to the kill counter addon.
Different is the "kill 40 players" quest. If you are grouped, you need to have the killing blow to gain progress.
If you are not in group, then you get progress for any assist, too.
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BetweenMidgets✭✭✭✭✭RealLoveBVB wrote: »For the "kill 20 players" it doesn't require to deal any damage at all. If one of your group mate is killing players 200 meters away, you will get the progress on the quest too. That's why it doesn't count to the kill counter addon.
Maybe I was reading OP incorrectly, but I read that as he was not in a group and still getting extra kills?
Anyways, I'm glad to see this I'm not the only one experiencing this. It's been pretty frustrating to not even complete one kill 20 quest in the course of an evening if I happen to group up with my small man group.
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Kevin Is this an intended change in the way the Kill 20 quests is counting?PC-NA1 -
RaidingTraiding✭✭✭RealLoveBVB wrote: »For the "kill 20 players" it doesn't require to deal any damage at all. If one of your group mate is killing players 200 meters away, you will get the progress on the quest too. That's why it doesn't count to the kill counter addon.
Sounds like this is how it should work. I'm saying it's working like this when I am ungrouped only, but not when I'm actually in a group, which is what this post is about.0 -
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✭✭✭✭RealLoveBVB wrote: »RaidingTraiding wrote: »Additionally, when I was stacking with my alliance it appeared I was getting credit for kills which didn't even count in my Kill Counter addon.
For example, before I went into a fight at Nikel, I was at 5/20 players. After the fight I had a kill streak of 8 with 3 killing blows and when I checked my quest, I had already completed it. It appears I got credit for 7 additional players that didn't register on the kill counter for a total of 15
For the "kill 20 players" it doesn't require to deal any damage at all. If one of your group mate is killing players 200 meters away, you will get the progress on the quest too. That's why it doesn't count to the kill counter addon.
Different is the "kill 40 players" quest. If you are grouped, you need to have the killing blow to gain progress.
If you are not in group, then you get progress for any assist, too.
That’s not how kill 40 works. It’s very, very bugged. If anyone in your group is near you and touches the same target, chances are you won’t get credit for kill 40, regardless of whether you touched the target first or last or most or least.
I’ve absolutely gotten the killing blow on a target while grouped and still not gotten credit towards kill 40.
It sounds like all the kill 20s got changed to this same bugged state.0 -
Guizan✭✭✭I wonder if the quests are out of sync between quest name and the
trigger for the quest after adding a new arcanist kill 20 quest.
So when the quest says kill 20 X in the name it actually look for Y,
and the Kill Y looks for Z and so on. In my group tonight I had
kill players that very slowly increased and another player had kill
20 necros and those ticked up extremly quickly.
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Sharktoes✭✭✭The group I run with have noticed this change to the kill 20 quests, too!
Kill 20 seems especially bad. It took me our entire evening last night to finish off a kill 20 NBs quest when I had over half of it completed when our group started running. It is impossible to believe it took 3 hours to kill 7 NBs.
@Guizan That is an interesting thought. I DID notice last night at one point we were all light attacking a NB and when we killed him with LAs it did count for my kill 20 NBs quest.
It is pretty disappointing to MAYBE get one kill 20 quest done each night we run. Should have a better reward if the parameters for completion have been increased so dramatically.Edited by Sharktoes on June 20, 2023 8:20PM0