This doesn't make any sense

Rageypoo

One handed weapons offer half the power of a 2-handed weapons when enchanted, and only counts as 1 set piece, where a 2-handed weapon counts as 2...yet they both require the same mats to gold.

Thoughts?

Tenthirty2

I never noticed that before, interesting observation.

It doesn't really bother me I spose but I agree the mat cost is a little odd.
I guess if they changed it to make logical sense you would expect 2H, thus larger weapons, to use a bit more materials. Versus something like a dagger which should cost almost half what it would take to gold a regular 1H weapon.

Braffin

You're right. Zos should double the amount of mats needed to improve 2-handed weapons to bring them in line with every other piece of equipment 🤔😆

Rageypoo

Braffin wrote: »

You're right. Zos should double the amount of mats needed to improve 2-handed weapons to bring them in line with every other piece of equipment 🤔😆

OR...and this is gonna sound crazy, lets make 1 handed weapons/shields cost half the mats that a 2-hander costs.

Braffin

Rageypoo wrote: »

Braffin wrote: »

You're right. Zos should double the amount of mats needed to improve 2-handed weapons to bring them in line with every other piece of equipment 🤔😆

OR...and this is gonna sound crazy, lets make 1 handed weapons/shields cost half the mats that a 2-hander costs.

Yeah, that sounds crazy indeed, given the fact that every piece of equipment has exactly the same improvement cost per slot filled, except 2-handed weapons (at least since zos finally changed them to provide better enchantments and let them count as two set-pieces after years of begging them to do so).

phaneub17_ESO

Two-handed weapons originally counted as 1 item in a set not 2 as it does now. They were considered inferior to 1h and shield or dual-wield because having a two-handed weapons and staves limited you to 11 items for sets not 12. The 2-piece arena weapon bonuses used to unique weapon enchants allowing two-handed and staves to have those set bonus effects.

This argument is basically the same, but in reverse.

Snamyap

Same goes for reconstructing.

ApoAlaia

A fortunate oversight.

Between halving the 'tempering' costs of 1H weapons or doubling the costs of 2H weapons guess which avenue ZOS would choose?

Same with enchanting... we don't have 1/2 glyphs so the path of minimum resistance is to double the glyph requirements to enchant 2H weapons.

I am going to say 'let the sleeping dogs lie' with this one and just park it along with wearing rings that weigh in excess of 3Kg or skeevers carrying plate armour in their bellies...

'Rules of the Wasteland Codsworth, rules of the Wasteland...'

Kite42

Transmutes is more annoying tbh

SeaGtGruff

You can wield two one-handed weapons at once, thus letting you double your damage while also giving you the opportunity to benefit from two different weapon traits and two different weapon enchantments. It seems to me like two-handed weapons still have a disadvantage.

As for things like tempering mats and transmute crystals, they cost the same for everything else, too-- for instance, a girdle takes just as many of those to improve or transmute as a cuirass does, despite the differences in their armor protection and their effective amounts of armor enchantments.

Jarl_Ironheart

No change needed. It's been this away for a little while and there has been no issues. Getting gold mats isn't hard. No need to buff dual wielding even more with making it easier to upgrade

jtm1018

Rageypoo wrote: »

One handed weapons offer half the power of a 2-handed weapons when enchanted, and only counts as 1 set piece, where a 2-handed weapon counts as 2...yet they both require the same mats to gold.

Thoughts?

It just works!

wilykcat

I thought dual weilding two weapons in each hand will deal twice the damage too.

belial5221_ESO

But with dual weild,you can mix/match items, so more damage and more pen,or whatever,can't with 2h.Also,there's speed differences,and other stuff,like passives.why not make DW take longer to swing,also,like 2h as example,so gotta look at the whole picture.

markulrich1966

now really?
Price for a temp is like 3400 gold on xbox, so golding out the second weapon costs 27.200 gold.
I guess the game has much more severe issues to adress.

SacredNym

markulrich1966 wrote: »

now really?
Price for a temp is like 3400 gold on xbox, so golding out the second weapon costs 27.200 gold.
I guess the game has much more severe issues to adress.

50k on PC-NA so an additional 400,000 Gold.

phaneub17_ESO

Glad I'm sitting on over 1500 tempers, same with resin, but only have 600 wax. Hoarding ftw!

ixthUA

Should 2-handed weapon upgrade costs be doubled then? I dont mind as a shield user.

Gnesnig

ixthUA wrote: »

Should 2-handed weapon upgrade costs be doubled then? I dont mind as a shield user.

Why? It's one item. Creation uses more material but upgrading it shouldn't. Just like there's no extra cost for a robe versus a belt. There's also downsides. You can't get more pen and more crit chance, it's either/or for melee 2-handed versus dual-wield. No pen passives for bow. No crit chance passives for staves. Etcetera.

The consistency is that upgrading 1 item has a fixed cost. Has nothing to do with the slot it occupies or how many slots. That should be noticeable in the creation cost.

ixthUA

2-hander is much bigger than 1-hander, thus price should be doubled.

Gnesnig

ixthUA wrote: »

2-hander is much bigger than 1-hander, thus price should be doubled.

Try reading what I said. Don't you think a robe is much bigger than a belt or bracers? Upgrade is a different process than creation and doesn't consume more or less materials based on the size of item.

ixthUA

Gnesnig wrote: »

Try reading what I said. Don't you think a robe is much bigger than a belt or bracers? Upgrade is a different process than creation and doesn't consume more or less materials based on the size of item.

I tried reading, but could not get much sense out of it. Robe is bigger, but not denser.
Upgrade process is still unknown. How do you apply wax to a cloth?

Gnesnig

ixthUA wrote: »

Gnesnig wrote: »

Try reading what I said. Don't you think a robe is much bigger than a belt or bracers? Upgrade is a different process than creation and doesn't consume more or less materials based on the size of item.

I tried reading, but could not get much sense out of it. Robe is bigger, but not denser.
Upgrade process is still unknown. How do you apply wax to a cloth?

Yes, the upgrade process is unkown and probably magical given that it increases also the magical effects of sets. In fact, armor and weapons in game are made from ingots, while tradionally they're made from blooms or slabs of tamahagane (crude steel), still:

- Rubedite Mace, 160CP, 110 ingots
- Rubedite Maul, 160CP, 140 ingots
- Rubedo Leather Jack, 160CP, 150 leather
- Rubedo Leather Helm/Bracer/Belt, 160CP, 130 leather

All need the same cost for upgrades and the size difference is expressed in material to create them. Whether these values are anywhere near the actual cost of an item can easily be seen by the amount difference between 150CP and 160CP (factor 10).

But at least it's consistent: upgrades have fixed cost, creation does not. Transmuting is also twice as costly as reconstruction. Trying to make sense of it from an immersion perspective presents it's challenges, since I'm sure these decisions have been made more from a game economical perspective then from immersion.

opalcity

ixthUA wrote: »

Gnesnig wrote: »

Try reading what I said. Don't you think a robe is much bigger than a belt or bracers? Upgrade is a different process than creation and doesn't consume more or less materials based on the size of item.

I tried reading, but could not get much sense out of it. Robe is bigger, but not denser.
Upgrade process is still unknown. How do you apply wax to a cloth?

Have you ever heard of 'wax jackets' or 'oilskin'?

zaria

wilykcat wrote: »

I thought dual weilding two weapons in each hand will deal twice the damage too.

In real life not, dual wield was used but off hand was mostly for parrying or exploiting openings.

Yes you have sword an pistol but think that is more like the missile on say an Bradly, a 1-2 shot long reload time weapon you can use then the *** hit the fan.

ixthUA

opalcity wrote: »

Have you ever heard of 'wax jackets' or 'oilskin'?

They look expensive, no wonder upgrading robes should cost double materials.

barney2525

It's a Game.

Those are the mechanics.

Mechanics are rarely perfect.

Deal with it.

Vaqual

Considering that DW can apply twice as many status effects, I think the little extra cost while upgrading can be neglected

Edit: And you can double-backbar sets with an arena frontbar (or vice versa) which is a combo that 2h weapons can not use