Bastian feels neglected

spartaxoxo

Why haven't his potions been fixed yet?
Why do Bastian and Mirri still not have any letters as furnishings.
Why is it that he still does not appear at the end of Blackwood party?

The first two companions should be brought up to the same standards as the new one, especially Bastian who isn't even up to standard with Mirri.

FeedbackOnly

Let's tag people to vibe this attention @ZOS_KaiSchober

The potion bug has gone on long enough

Treselegant

It's totally ridiculous and a really poor show. There is a list of things that need sorting out at this point. It's been said time and time again but I'll say it again: devs can have their favourite companions but players are diverse, are obviously still using this companion, and the level of neglect is just getting pretty silly now.

FeedbackOnly

Treselegant wrote: »

It's totally ridiculous and a really poor show. There is a list of things that need sorting out at this point. It's been said time and time again but I'll say it again: devs can have their favourite companions but players are diverse, are obviously still using this companion, and the level of neglect is just getting pretty silly now.

Bastion potions is literally a bug though. This deserves a fix

spartaxoxo

FeedbackOnly wrote: »

Treselegant wrote: »

It's totally ridiculous and a really poor show. There is a list of things that need sorting out at this point. It's been said time and time again but I'll say it again: devs can have their favourite companions but players are diverse, are obviously still using this companion, and the level of neglect is just getting pretty silly now.

Bastion potions is literally a bug though. This deserves a fix

Exactly! They literally don't work. It's not just a matter of them being useless junk that harms your account in the sense that you can't turn it off or even roll a new character to be rid of them. The potions themselves literally don't work. They are supposed to be better than the normal trash pots. They say they are better than the regular trash pots. But they don't actually work.

And this bug has persisted for a couple of years now. It's the not the only issue with him, but it is the worst one because this one isn't even asking them to change the design. It's just asking that the potions do what they claim they will do.

Treselegant

FeedbackOnly wrote: »

Treselegant wrote: »

It's totally ridiculous and a really poor show. There is a list of things that need sorting out at this point. It's been said time and time again but I'll say it again: devs can have their favourite companions but players are diverse, are obviously still using this companion, and the level of neglect is just getting pretty silly now.

Bastion potions is literally a bug though. This deserves a fix

Absolutely. He has a few bugs, including one where he has missing dialogue for psijic portals on live (edit to add to avoid confusion - what's missing is dialogue upon looting the portal) which I had never heard until I had him as a companion on the pts. The lack of even bug fixes is indicative of the complete lack of interest in sorting out Bastian as a companion. He only has potions in the first place because he previously seems to have had crafting as part of his rapport - something that was removed before release and later given to Isobel - but the potions remained.

fall0athboy

While we're talking about things, can we give him another daily quest to finish? Mirri gets two, Ember gets three, Isobel gets two, and tentative UESP info shows Azandar getting two, and Sharp-as-Night getting two.

Thee_Cheshire_Cat

Treselegant wrote: »

FeedbackOnly wrote: »

Treselegant wrote: »

It's totally ridiculous and a really poor show. There is a list of things that need sorting out at this point. It's been said time and time again but I'll say it again: devs can have their favourite companions but players are diverse, are obviously still using this companion, and the level of neglect is just getting pretty silly now.

Bastion potions is literally a bug though. This deserves a fix

Absolutely. He has a few bugs, including one where he has missing dialogue for psijic portals on live which I had never heard until I had him as a companion on the pts. The lack of even bug fixes is indicative of the complete lack of interest in sorting out Bastian as a companion. He only has potions in the first place because he previously seems to have had crafting as part of his rapport - something that was removed before release and later given to Isobel - but the potions remained.

He speaks up when there is a psijic portal nearby for me.

Treselegant

Thee_Cheshire_Cat wrote: »

Treselegant wrote: »

FeedbackOnly wrote: »

Treselegant wrote: »

It's totally ridiculous and a really poor show. There is a list of things that need sorting out at this point. It's been said time and time again but I'll say it again: devs can have their favourite companions but players are diverse, are obviously still using this companion, and the level of neglect is just getting pretty silly now.

Bastion potions is literally a bug though. This deserves a fix

Absolutely. He has a few bugs, including one where he has missing dialogue for psijic portals on live which I had never heard until I had him as a companion on the pts. The lack of even bug fixes is indicative of the complete lack of interest in sorting out Bastian as a companion. He only has potions in the first place because he previously seems to have had crafting as part of his rapport - something that was removed before release and later given to Isobel - but the potions remained.

He speaks up when there is a psijic portal nearby for me.

What dialogue do you get? He still points them out but he's supposed to have a reaction line when you loot them as well. Usually, if I get anything at all when I loot them it's just a generic line related to the quality of the item. He's supposed to say things like: "Where the Mundus hides wisdom the Divines place their treasure. Or so the Psijic Order says" but I've never heard it outside the pts.

Tia413

Treselegant wrote: »

He's supposed to say things like: "Where the Mundus hides wisdom the Divines place their treasure. Or so the Psijic Order says" but I've never heard it outside the pts.

My Bastian has indeed said that a few times. But not every time I have looted a Psijic Portal.

Treselegant

Tia413 wrote: »

Treselegant wrote: »

He's supposed to say things like: "Where the Mundus hides wisdom the Divines place their treasure. Or so the Psijic Order says" but I've never heard it outside the pts.

My Bastian has indeed said that a few times. But not every time I have looted a Psijic Portal.

It's very very inconsistent then, it should fire regularly not once in a blue moon while standing on one foot while facing the North - same as looting heavy sacks and treasure chests etc. When testing on the pts it seemed to me to be working without issue. There are lines I could quote in my sleep and then there's a few I've heard maybe less than five times in two years. I don't think this happens with other companions or at least it doesn't seem this chaotic and inconsistent. It just sucks so much because he's well voiced, got a good series of well written quests and then when you have him around as a companion you end up hearing pretty much the same thing over and over. The pool of dialogue to draw from is already much smaller than the other companions without him having lines that rarely fire, reducing that limited pool even more.

jle30303

Yes, please can Bastian have a second daily quest that increases his rapport by 125.

Also: There is no daily quest for World Bosses in the base game - there is only a daily Delve.

I suggest that either the Undaunted or the Fighters Guild should have a daily that demands killing a specified World Boss (randomly chosen from the base-game zones of the Pact, Covenant or Dominion - that's 15 zones), and that Bastian should gain rapport from this. He shares a bit of the "taking on big ol' monsters because I'm a wannabe knight" ethic with Isobel, after all.

PrinceShroob

With regard to Bastian not saying lines when looting a Psijic portal, companions sort of stop commenting on things that increase their rapport once it's maxed (they may occasionally say something but they usually remain silent). That may be why Bastian isn't saying anything. I don't usually have companions out on alts, but I can check if I can hear his lines if I see one.

Treselegant

PrinceShroob wrote: »

With regard to Bastian not saying lines when looting a Psijic portal, companions sort of stop commenting on things that increase their rapport once it's maxed (they may occasionally say something but they usually remain silent). That may be why Bastian isn't saying anything. I don't usually have companions out on alts, but I can check if I can hear his lines if I see one.

I don't think it's ever worked properly for me. I was looting the portals back when Blackwood launched and never heard anything. I had max rapport when testing on pts and still had the loot comments. It's a weird one. I rarely hear the longer lines for when your companion gets on their mount either - the ones that go on about travelling and meeting new people. I generally hear that on a new character but just the once and then never again. This is at max chatter.

edit to add - I re-did my portal test and it seems to be working for me for the first time in years so I suppose thats something. Literally the first time I've heard some of these lines. A fix snuck in perhaps? Definitely didn't work for me before this, max rapport or under it. I've been avoiding overland and doing nothing but crafting dailies since the Necrom update so I hadn't seen the change.

Anyway, there's just something super squiffy about the way this companion is put together. It's like he's half finished. When you try out the newer companions it's really obvious something is not right. It'd be nice to get some sort of acknowledgment that there is a problem here. Major bugs such as the potion bug should have been fixed an age ago, the lack of dialogue in comparison to the others should have been addressed last year and there should have been some attempt to fix/finish this companion at least to the level of Mirri by now.

Watching tags for dev/Kevin's attention being added has sad familiarity to it. There's never any response and it really doesn't give a good impression. Will there be one from the companion Q&A thread where exactly the same question was asked several times? Allow me to give a massive "doubt it" there. I'm at the point where I'm playing Fallout 76 more than ESO and watching boss creatures flip upside-down through the air then clip through the floor and I still feel more respected as a player than I do with ESO.

FeedbackOnly

spartaxoxo wrote: »

FeedbackOnly wrote: »

Treselegant wrote: »

It's totally ridiculous and a really poor show. There is a list of things that need sorting out at this point. It's been said time and time again but I'll say it again: devs can have their favourite companions but players are diverse, are obviously still using this companion, and the level of neglect is just getting pretty silly now.

Bastion potions is literally a bug though. This deserves a fix

Exactly! They literally don't work. It's not just a matter of them being useless junk that harms your account in the sense that you can't turn it off or even roll a new character to be rid of them. The potions themselves literally don't work. They are supposed to be better than the normal trash pots. They say they are better than the regular trash pots. But they don't actually work.

And this bug has persisted for a couple of years now. It's the not the only issue with him, but it is the worst one because this one isn't even asking them to change the design. It's just asking that the potions do what they claim they will do.

Yeah it acts like trash potions. It's been tested and not giving other buffs to potion

@ZOS_Kevin can this be a quarter 3 bug fix?

LanteanPegasus

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Why haven't his potions been fixed yet?
Why do Bastian and Mirri still not have any letters as furnishings.
Why is it that he still does not appear at the end of Blackwood party?

The first two companions should be brought up to the same standards as the new one, especially Bastian who isn't even up to standard with Mirri.

I fully agree on all of this!
Sure, the first two companions aren't the "shiny new stuff" ZOS is selling right now. But they are part of a system that is still promoted as active (companions), and there are people who happen to prefer one of them over all the newer ones. So they should be brought up to date.
Not all players are choosing their companion solely as some random asset that accumulates boni. They choose for personal preference of the actual character. And that is how the companion system should work. So please, ZOS, do your job and make it work correctly.

PS: I don't know if Bastian feels neglected, but I, the player, who prefers this companion by far, surely do.

Treselegant

LanteanPegasus wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Why haven't his potions been fixed yet?
Why do Bastian and Mirri still not have any letters as furnishings.
Why is it that he still does not appear at the end of Blackwood party?

The first two companions should be brought up to the same standards as the new one, especially Bastian who isn't even up to standard with Mirri.

I fully agree on all of this!
Sure, the first two companions aren't the "shiny new stuff" ZOS is selling right now. But they are part of a system that is still promoted as active (companions), and there are people who happen to prefer one of them over all the newer ones. So they should be brought up to date.
Not all players are choosing their companion solely as some random asset that accumulates boni. They choose for personal preference of the actual character. And that is how the companion system should work. So please, ZOS, do your job and make it work correctly.

PS: I don't know if Bastian feels neglected, but I, the player, who prefers this companion by far, surely do.

I wasn't going to add any more to the thread because it feels like shouting into the wind but I just wanted to agree fully here and add - it feels beyond neglect now and actively into contempt. I feel like the devs are contemptuous of the players who prefer this character. Like we're wrong for liking this particular companion. That's not how rpgs work, there's no 'right' companion character, it should be up to the player and for the player to have that respected.

LanteanPegasus

Treselegant wrote: »

LanteanPegasus wrote: »

PS: I don't know if Bastian feels neglected, but I, the player, who prefers this companion by far, surely do.

I wasn't going to add any more to the thread because it feels like shouting into the wind but I just wanted to agree fully here and add - it feels beyond neglect now and actively into contempt. I feel like the devs are contemptuous of the players who prefer this character. Like we're wrong for liking this particular companion. That's not how rpgs work, there's no 'right' companion character, it should be up to the player and for the player to have that respected.

I wouldn't go that far. I think it isn't contemt, or acting on prejudice, it is just ZOS' lamentable but quite consistent tendency not to touch problems in content that's older than half a year if they are not game breaking. Or at least influencing combat balance in some way.
They do fix things like that once in a blue moon, and that's why I speak up when someone reminds them of issues I find frustrating myself, to keep them at the table, just in case. But there are lots of issues with quests, NPCs, locations, or even technical problems that have been here and brought to ZOS' attention for years. So it's probably just bad luck that the companion we like most is a bit buggier than his counterpart (Mirri), and was one of the first batch, before some improvements (like the letter furnishings) became standard. (And considering what so many gamers regard as "cool" I still marvel at the fact that we got someone like Bastian at all. )

spartaxoxo

FeedbackOnly wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

FeedbackOnly wrote: »

Treselegant wrote: »

It's totally ridiculous and a really poor show. There is a list of things that need sorting out at this point. It's been said time and time again but I'll say it again: devs can have their favourite companions but players are diverse, are obviously still using this companion, and the level of neglect is just getting pretty silly now.

Bastion potions is literally a bug though. This deserves a fix

Exactly! They literally don't work. It's not just a matter of them being useless junk that harms your account in the sense that you can't turn it off or even roll a new character to be rid of them. The potions themselves literally don't work. They are supposed to be better than the normal trash pots. They say they are better than the regular trash pots. But they don't actually work.

And this bug has persisted for a couple of years now. It's the not the only issue with him, but it is the worst one because this one isn't even asking them to change the design. It's just asking that the potions do what they claim they will do.

Yeah it acts like trash potions. It's been tested and not giving other buffs to potion

@ZOS_Kevin can this be a quarter 3 bug fix?

Yes. If not the rest of it at least the potions should be fixed Q3. Hopefully. It's been a couple of years....

phaneub17_ESO

All they need to do is reduce it to a single tri-restore pot, no major buffs needed not that they worked anyway. They can be on par with the crown pots so crafted ones are still superior while new players won't have access right away so there is still some interest in them.

FeedbackOnly

spartaxoxo wrote: »

FeedbackOnly wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

FeedbackOnly wrote: »

Treselegant wrote: »

It's totally ridiculous and a really poor show. There is a list of things that need sorting out at this point. It's been said time and time again but I'll say it again: devs can have their favourite companions but players are diverse, are obviously still using this companion, and the level of neglect is just getting pretty silly now.

Bastion potions is literally a bug though. This deserves a fix

Exactly! They literally don't work. It's not just a matter of them being useless junk that harms your account in the sense that you can't turn it off or even roll a new character to be rid of them. The potions themselves literally don't work. They are supposed to be better than the normal trash pots. They say they are better than the regular trash pots. But they don't actually work.

And this bug has persisted for a couple of years now. It's the not the only issue with him, but it is the worst one because this one isn't even asking them to change the design. It's just asking that the potions do what they claim they will do.

Yeah it acts like trash potions. It's been tested and not giving other buffs to potion

@ZOS_Kevin can this be a quarter 3 bug fix?

Yes. If not the rest of it at least the potions should be fixed Q3. Hopefully. It's been a couple of years....

Yes it's been literally years @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_BrianWheeler

ADarklore

Hopefully companion bugs are part of their quarter for "bug fixes".

spartaxoxo

Bastian's potent potions now correctly grant the following combat buffs and resources:
Bastian's Potent Health now correctly grants Health, Magicka, Major Intellect and Major Fortitude
Bastian's Potent Magicka now correctly grants Magicka, Major Sorcery and Major Intellect
Bastian's Potent Stamina now correctly grants Stamina, Major Brutality and Major Endurance

His potions are finally fixed on pts!

Treselegant

So it looks like they've addressed the potion bug, interesting. And it only took 'em two years and a boat-load of unhappy people to make it happen!

This is the trouble with their communication style, this is good news but why on god's green earth couldn't someone had said something months ago when people were getting annoyed about it? A "we're looking at this" for such a long running bug would have gone a long way.

Sorry, I'm just really burnt out by the whole nonsense, when they fix this companion properly, putting the same effort in that they gave the others, then I will happily give praise - but at least it's a step in the right direction.

Carcamongus

I wonder if it's too hard to fix Bastian's potions or this is just far too low in the list of priorities. It's disrespectful to players who went through the trouble of completing his achievements to get as a reward junk that just takes 3 inventory slots. Sure, his potions may not be game-changing, but if you put in the effort, you should be granted the boon.

Speaking of bug fixes, would it be asking too much for Mirri to only lose rapport if you harvest a torchbug, as opposed to merely clicking on it by accident because the fetching n'wah decided to fly in front of your hand right as you went for a node or quest item?

kumenit_taeynav

Carcamongus wrote: »

Speaking of bug fixes, would it be asking too much for Mirri to only lose rapport if you harvest a torchbug, as opposed to merely clicking on it by accident because the fetching n'wah decided to fly in front of your hand right as you went for a node or quest item?

maybe also get mirri to call out heavy sacks like bastian, ember, and isobel do too. i dont have necrom so idk if the new companions call out heavy sacks but its a very useful feature. ive hardly used mirri bc all my other companions have this one simple but very useful feature

SeaGtGruff

Treselegant wrote: »

So it looks like they've addressed the potion bug, interesting. And it only took 'em two years and a boat-load of unhappy people to make it happen!

It took replacing the Q3 DLC with a focus on fixing long-standing bugs and adding QOL changes to make it happen. I'm not judging whether that's good or bad, just saying that there had to be a trade-off of sorts.

Treselegant

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Treselegant wrote: »

So it looks like they've addressed the potion bug, interesting. And it only took 'em two years and a boat-load of unhappy people to make it happen!

It took replacing the Q3 DLC with a focus on fixing long-standing bugs and adding QOL changes to make it happen. I'm not judging whether that's good or bad, just saying that there had to be a trade-off of sorts.

It seems to me that the previous release schedule left a trail of buggy and unfinished content without time being allocated to fix them due to the pressure to produce the next 'year of' straight after the previous was shoved out. If the broken/unfinished content was deemed unimportant by those making the decisions then the problem was ignored, diminished and the players effected effectively treated as entitled and unreasonable for wanting the content they paid for to work. Which is the abosolutely the worst way to deal with it - breeding resentment and distrust from the community.

They have a chance to win back good will here with the time spent on bug fixing/Qol but I'm not particularly optimistic. We shall see.

SeaGtGruff

Treselegant wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Treselegant wrote: »

So it looks like they've addressed the potion bug, interesting. And it only took 'em two years and a boat-load of unhappy people to make it happen!

It took replacing the Q3 DLC with a focus on fixing long-standing bugs and adding QOL changes to make it happen. I'm not judging whether that's good or bad, just saying that there had to be a trade-off of sorts.

It seems to me that the previous release schedule left a trail of buggy and unfinished content without time being allocated to fix them due to the pressure to produce the next 'year of' straight after the previous was shoved out. If the broken/unfinished content was deemed unimportant by those making the decisions then the problem was ignored, diminished and the players effected effectively treated as entitled and unreasonable for wanting the content they paid for to work. Which is the abosolutely the worst way to deal with it - breeding resentment and distrust from the community.

They have a chance to win back good will here with the time spent on bug fixing/Qol but I'm not particularly optimistic. We shall see.

Well, they did fix bugs and add QOL improvements before; I'm just saying that shifting some priorities around was necessary for whatever they're fixing and adding later this year.

Also, there are different opinions among the playerbase regarding this shift in priorities, because some players say they liked the year-long story format and are unhappy to see that go away. Others might not be enamored of the year-long story format in particular but feel that fewer DLCs per year means a loss of value for ESO Plus. And then there are players who'd actually suggested replacing one or two DLCs per year with bug fixes and QOL enhancements prior to ZOS's decision about that.

It's one of those "damned if they don't, damned if they do" situations-- a win of sorts for some players, but a loss for others.

TheDarkRuler

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Why haven't his potions been fixed yet?

Can you elaborate? I am not using Bastian anymore but i do have his passive unlocked. What is wrong with his potions?

spartaxoxo

TheDarkRuler wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Why haven't his potions been fixed yet?

Can you elaborate? I am not using Bastian anymore but i do have his passive unlocked. What is wrong with his potions?

His potions are supposed to grant buffs that make them better than normal trash pots. But, they don't actually grant them. This has been fixed on the pts now. So, it will grant them soon.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Bastian's potent potions now correctly grant the following combat buffs and resources:
Bastian's Potent Health now correctly grants Health, Magicka, Major Intellect and Major Fortitude
Bastian's Potent Magicka now correctly grants Magicka, Major Sorcery and Major Intellect
Bastian's Potent Stamina now correctly grants Stamina, Major Brutality and Major Endurance

His potions are finally fixed on pts!

@TheDarkRuler