Pets can now take Pillager's Profit Ultimate.

Heelie

Just a heads up to all pve Sorcerer and Warden and Necromancer players. your pets can take the ultimate that from the set Pillagers Profit. So consider not slotting them if that set is used by your supports in 12 man content.

FantasticFreddie

Huh.

How do we know this?

Heelie

FantasticFreddie wrote: »

Huh.

How do we know this?

ESO logs you can sort by who picked up the proc effect

Dr_Con

They should just block pets from receiving anything except for heals and shields from the owner. Buffs on pets cause nothing but issues.

I wonder if it targets Warden's bear and temporary pets like Skeletons, mage/archer, atronachs, etc.

FantasticFreddie

Heelie wrote: »

FantasticFreddie wrote: »

Huh.

How do we know this?

ESO logs you can sort by who picked up the proc effect

Oh how incredibly annoying

Heelie

Dr_Con wrote: »

They should just block pets from receiving anything except for heals and shields from the owner. Buffs on pets cause nothing but issues.

I wonder if it targets Warden's bear and temporary pets like Skeletons, mage/archer, atronachs, etc.

It's all pets, including blast bones, Atronach, etc. Not just the two permanent sorcerer pets, the only pets I have yet to see are self buffing pets like the healing ghost on Necromancer and the Warden Betty.

Ph1p

My trial group had the same issue yesterday, where 5 pets (including Sorc pets and Warden bears) got the buff instead of players. People missed out on the buff despite being in range and not at full ultimate at the time.

FeedbackOnly

Unless it's not going on 12 people then this is appropriate. Pets have long been able to inherit buffs

SoraJP

Question with that is, Does the person who the pet belongs to get the buff at the same time? Is it showing on the pet because the owner got the buff? Or is the pet flat out stealing it?

sarahthes

Pets are currently stealing other buffs as well, like major courage and minor berserk.

virtus753

FeedbackOnly wrote: »

Unless it's not going on 12 people then this is appropriate. Pets have long been able to inherit buffs

What buff do they get here?

The only pets who have ultimates to refill are companions, who cannot be present in groups already full of players. There is no point in (non-companion) pets inheriting Pillager’s at all. It only adds to server work and risks having a situation where actual “group members” (as stated on Pillager’s tooltip) are not getting it.

Heelie

SoraJP wrote: »

Question with that is, Does the person who the pet belongs to get the buff at the same time? Is it showing on the pet because the owner got the buff? Or is the pet flat out stealing it?

Pet is stealing buff, one less person is getting it, don't have to be the owner.

Ph1p

FeedbackOnly wrote: »

Unless it's not going on 12 people then this is appropriate. Pets have long been able to inherit buffs

Pillager's should give ultimate regeneration "to 11 other group members within 12 meters", but this effect can go on pets instead of players. So in my example, 6 players and 5 pets (Sorc pets and Warden bears) received the buff, while the other 5 players didn't get the ultimate regeneration.

These players were all alive and I confirmed that at least some were definitely in range and had less than 500 ultimate when Pillager's was activated. Two players who didn't get the buffs were the Wardens the bears belonged to, so this isn't a matter of pets inheriting the buff either.

Ragnarok0130

@zos_Kevin this needs to be passed to the dev team ASAP. Pillagers Profit is one of the staple trial support sets.

Dr_Con

Hoping to see this get acknowledged sooner rather than later.

Nilandia

FeedbackOnly wrote: »

Unless it's not going on 12 people then this is appropriate. Pets have long been able to inherit buffs

This actually does appear to be a new issue. I pulled up a log from 4/30 of a vAS run I was on with several oakensorcs. Not once did a pet take pillager's, but they were definitely present.



Compare that to a log I found on ESOLogs from yesterday. This was also a vAS run, and the pets are indicated in teal. Not only are the pets taking pillagers, they are often taking it more frequently than the actual players.



This isn't limited to sorc pets, either. Sorc atros, warden bears, necro blastbones, arcanist glyphics, even the ball lightning created when a sorc streaks can take it. I'm actually surprised that I've yet to see a necro archer or mage taking it, but I may just be missing it.

It's also quite interesting that I haven't seen pets taking pillagers in my logs from the PTS runs in Sanity's Edge, so I'm rather at a loss to what might be causing it.

Nilandia

sarahthes wrote: »

Pets are currently stealing other buffs as well, like major courage and minor berserk.

This also appears to be the case. At the very least I'm seeing it happen with minor berserk from Combat Prayer.

spartaxoxo

Dr_Con wrote: »

They should just block pets from receiving anything except for heals and shields from the owner. Buffs on pets cause nothing but issues.

I wonder if it targets Warden's bear and temporary pets like Skeletons, mage/archer, atronachs, etc.

Strongly Disagree. Companions are meant to help people who are soloing things. It should just be they can't take them if you're grouped with more than one player. Or if it makes more sense from a programming perspective, grouped at all.

Now, if they are able to keep summons separate, that may be different.

Dr_Con

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Dr_Con wrote: »

They should just block pets from receiving anything except for heals and shields from the owner. Buffs on pets cause nothing but issues.

I wonder if it targets Warden's bear and temporary pets like Skeletons, mage/archer, atronachs, etc.

Strongly Disagree. Companions are meant to help people who are soloing things. It should just be they can't take them if you're grouped with more than one player. Or if it makes more sense from a programming perspective, grouped at all.

Now, if they are able to keep summons separate, that may be different.

Specifically stated pets, not companions.

CGPsaint

Lol. PC players are the real goats. Always out here beta testing the game for ZOS. Us console peasants appreciate your efforts!

Heelie

it has been a few weeks and still no reponse on this.

FeedbackOnly

virtus753 wrote: »

FeedbackOnly wrote: »

Unless it's not going on 12 people then this is appropriate. Pets have long been able to inherit buffs

What buff do they get here?

The only pets who have ultimates to refill are companions, who cannot be present in groups already full of players. There is no point in (non-companion) pets inheriting Pillager’s at all. It only adds to server work and risks having a situation where actual “group members” (as stated on Pillager’s tooltip) are not getting it.

Unless it's not on 12 people in range then it's fine.

Ragnarok0130

Heelie wrote: »

it has been a few weeks and still no reponse on this.

So it’s ZoS’ standard modus operadni

virtus753

FeedbackOnly wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

FeedbackOnly wrote: »

Unless it's not going on 12 people then this is appropriate. Pets have long been able to inherit buffs

What buff do they get here?

The only pets who have ultimates to refill are companions, who cannot be present in groups already full of players. There is no point in (non-companion) pets inheriting Pillager’s at all. It only adds to server work and risks having a situation where actual “group members” (as stated on Pillager’s tooltip) are not getting it.

Unless it's not on 12 people in range then it's fine.

Is it not still a waste of server resources to calculate a buff for pets that they literally cannot get any benefit from whatsoever? Making them incapable of getting this buff results in zero downside and two significant benefits: the server isn’t wasting resources on calculating something that has zero effect, and the risk that players might not get the buff when they should is minimized.

NVNNN2

25.06

Still nothing has been done to address this issue. Considering how little is being made in regards to combat/class design, I do not believe the Team is so heavily occupied with "work" not to release a hotfix the moment this had been reported.

FeedbackOnly

virtus753 wrote: »

FeedbackOnly wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

FeedbackOnly wrote: »

Unless it's not going on 12 people then this is appropriate. Pets have long been able to inherit buffs

What buff do they get here?

The only pets who have ultimates to refill are companions, who cannot be present in groups already full of players. There is no point in (non-companion) pets inheriting Pillager’s at all. It only adds to server work and risks having a situation where actual “group members” (as stated on Pillager’s tooltip) are not getting it.

Unless it's not on 12 people in range then it's fine.

Is it not still a waste of server resources to calculate a buff for pets that they literally cannot get any benefit from whatsoever? Making them incapable of getting this buff results in zero downside and two significant benefits: the server isn’t wasting resources on calculating something that has zero effect, and the risk that players might not get the buff when they should is minimized.

Sure but we got a lot of bugs some lasting a year and a half like this

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/636644/do-you-have-trouble-filling-replacements-with-dungeon-finder/p1


So, unless it's 12 people in range are not getting it then it's not a big problem. Come back with testing showing it's not going on all 12 people in range.

Have you put a report in game about the issue or the website with real people? Have you contacted a community manager? Have you put in social media outlets?

Here's some suggested titles for you

* How many years did it take for first pet bugs to get fixed?

* Companions still share some of old pet bugs like heavy attack bugs

*Where is quality control?

* Pet Sorcs lives Matter

* Quality Control union is failing

Issues get more notice when it more then one spot. Remember the trade guild players who got unjustified banned for over a week without nobody carig to look into the problem? I think I saw 5 reddit posts, Facebook, YouTube and something else before people started investigating

NVNNN2

how do you tag moderators or community managers? this issue has not been responded to by the developer yet
stop using forums to discuss outfits and "what type of pets do you prefer "
make some friends in guild discords and jerk each other off there
me and every pve player needs this prioritized

SimonThesis

NVNNN2 wrote: »

how do you tag moderators or community managers? this issue has not been responded to by the developer yet
stop using forums to discuss outfits and "what type of pets do you prefer "
make some friends in guild discords and jerk each other off there
me and every pve player needs this prioritized

You type @Zos_ your dev or mod of choice.

@Zos_Kevin Are yall aware of this bug?

M0ntie

This is a recently introduced bug (I think with the Necrom update) and is so bad that groups with a log of sorcs are not running pillagers.
ZoS,
Do we have an acknowledgement that this bug is scheduled for fixing, and an ETA?

FantasticFreddie

There's been 0 acknowledgement

Dr_Con

@ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_GinaBruno

They are taking a considerable amount of heals/overheals, which as you may already know is a source of important buffs such as Major Courage from SPC, minor berserk from Combat Prayer, and they'll take away sticky HOTs like Eternal Vigor and Radiating Regeneration, which are needed to be applied to players to survive certain fights. They also take away potential healing targets (which are limited spots, btw) from ground HOTs like the arcanist's beam and the grand healing morphs (which are limited to how many people can be affected by these abilities, now including pets). In addition, they unnecessarily take certain shields (like chakrams from the Arcanist class) during trials.

As you can see in the log screenshots a lot of the healing went to the pets. Pets do preferentially take heals over players in many cases, this behavior needs to stop or at least be toggled. I know that pets can be damaged in overland content so maybe part of this change was intentional, but they should be absolutely last priority for heals.