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ToT should timer like chess, just for competetive.

HappyDan
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Before you get your pitchforks hear me out.
Right now you have people taking 10 minute turns on every single turn, even the first one where you have 5 gold and in 99% cases you just sack the 1 coin to get the 2 coin but still people play for 10 minutes on first turns.
Having an overall timer (that get few seconds added if you clear your turn fast) will make competitive more exciting and won't pronlong the games.
And if it's too hard you can just play casual ToT with no timer, that's it.
  • Necrotech_Master
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    NPCs have no timer, this is the most casual that you can be lol

    if you gave players no timer, people would be sitting on their turn for 10 min (the current timer is like 90 seconds, at which point it would auto-end the turn)

    it would end up turning into a waiting match to see who got afk-kicked first if there was no timer in pvp tribute
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  • rbfrgsp
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    What would you set you chess clock to though? My suspicion is that you would end up with much longer games on average because there would no longer be short games. People clearly beaten early would stall out in the hope of boring their opponent into a concede.
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  • HappyDan
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    rbfrgsp wrote: »
    What would you set you chess clock to though? My suspicion is that you would end up with much longer games on average because there would no longer be short games. People clearly beaten early would stall out in the hope of boring their opponent into a concede.

    I actually read that's a strat for many competitive tot players, they win 60-70% of their matches by stalling.
  • rbfrgsp
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    It's quite common. Just stall out your turn and bed down for a 20min match. It usually irritates them enough to be on the end of their own tactic that they play properly.

    Anyway, the chess timer would virtually guarantee every game runs to max length. I don't think it would save any time, averaged out.
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  • Gnesnig
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    The plus of this idea is that you can actually play out all your crow cards, without having to worry about the fixed timer. I wonder if you use a real chess timer with 10 minutes each, what would happen. Of course the damn card animations that prevent you from looking at your own draw should be addressed, but stalling each turn would allow the other person to think in your time and play very fast. If they're also able to stall your progress, they can win by having the time left to play. It can be dangerous to stall and fast play is awarded.
  • Necrotech_Master
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    Gnesnig wrote: »
    The plus of this idea is that you can actually play out all your crow cards, without having to worry about the fixed timer. I wonder if you use a real chess timer with 10 minutes each, what would happen. Of course the damn card animations that prevent you from looking at your own draw should be addressed, but stalling each turn would allow the other person to think in your time and play very fast. If they're also able to stall your progress, they can win by having the time left to play. It can be dangerous to stall and fast play is awarded.

    the game already has a chess timer, if you take too long it will auto end your turn (for queued matches, there is no timer for NPC or "friendly" duels)

    if i recall its only like 90 seconds too, theres been many threads about people complaining the time was too short to continue playing their combos if they were doing a crow strategy
    Edited by Necrotech_Master on May 16, 2023 6:46PM
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  • wenchmore420b14_ESO
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    HappyDan wrote: »
    Before you get your pitchforks hear me out.
    Right now you have people taking 10 minute turns on every single turn, even the first one where you have 5 gold and in 99% cases you just sack the 1 coin to get the 2 coin but still people play for 10 minutes on first turns.
    Having an overall timer (that get few seconds added if you clear your turn fast) will make competitive more exciting and won't pronlong the games.
    And if it's too hard you can just play casual ToT with no timer, that's it.

    I'm confused? There is a 90 sec timer when playing PVP ToT. How can someone take 10 min?
    Yes, NPC bouts don't have timers, but the OP said with other people. Is this just an exaggeration?
    Edited by wenchmore420b14_ESO on May 16, 2023 7:26PM
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  • Necrotech_Master
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    HappyDan wrote: »
    Before you get your pitchforks hear me out.
    Right now you have people taking 10 minute turns on every single turn, even the first one where you have 5 gold and in 99% cases you just sack the 1 coin to get the 2 coin but still people play for 10 minutes on first turns.
    Having an overall timer (that get few seconds added if you clear your turn fast) will make competitive more exciting and won't pronlong the games.
    And if it's too hard you can just play casual ToT with no timer, that's it.

    I'm confused? There is a 90 sec timer when playing PVP ToT. How can someone take 10 min?
    Yes, NPC bouts don't have timers, but the OP said with other people. Is this just and exaggeration?

    90 sec can feel like 10 min when your sitting there just watching your opponent play cards, or even worse do absolutely nothing lol

    i think there are addons that can show a turn timer so you know exactly how long to wait on the opponent, though that doesnt really help consoles at all, theres not a very clear visual indicator of how much longer your turn has left
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  • Gnesnig
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    the game already has a chess timer, if you take too long it will auto end your turn (for queued matches, there is no timer for NPC or "friendly" duels)

    if i recall its only like 90 seconds too, theres been many threads about people complaining the time was too short to continue playing their combos if they were doing a crow strategy

    That's not a chess timer though. A chess timer gives each opponent a fixed amount of time to finish the game. You have to complete all your rounds within that allotted time. If you finish your first draw in 5 seconds, you loose 5 seconds of your allotted time and the time your opponent starts. If he takes 90 seconds, he looses 90 seconds of the allotted time. In fact there is no 90 seconds then, he can take longer, but it will cost him the allotted time while the opponent doesn't loose theirs.

    Given the average time of 15-20 minutes per game, I propose 10 minutes each. That would set a fixed time of 20 minutes for any game and the most any opponent can stall is 10 minutes. And as I said earlier, stalling is not beneficial any more, on the contrary.

  • LunaFlora
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    yikes no. the timer isn't even always enough in some cases. I'd rather someone have enough time for a turn when they need it than not have enough just because some turns require less time
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  • Gnesnig
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    LunaFlora wrote: »
    yikes no. the timer isn't even always enough in some cases. I'd rather someone have enough time for a turn when they need it than not have enough just because some turns require less time

    And a chess timer actually allows that. The 90 seconds would be gone and if it's advantageous, like having good draws with crow cards, you can take longer. And you'll have to make up for it in other turns. I think it's fairer then an arbitrary 90 seconds timer and it'll cut down on malicious stalling.
  • Necrotech_Master
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    Gnesnig wrote: »
    the game already has a chess timer, if you take too long it will auto end your turn (for queued matches, there is no timer for NPC or "friendly" duels)

    if i recall its only like 90 seconds too, theres been many threads about people complaining the time was too short to continue playing their combos if they were doing a crow strategy

    That's not a chess timer though. A chess timer gives each opponent a fixed amount of time to finish the game. You have to complete all your rounds within that allotted time. If you finish your first draw in 5 seconds, you loose 5 seconds of your allotted time and the time your opponent starts. If he takes 90 seconds, he looses 90 seconds of the allotted time. In fact there is no 90 seconds then, he can take longer, but it will cost him the allotted time while the opponent doesn't loose theirs.

    Given the average time of 15-20 minutes per game, I propose 10 minutes each. That would set a fixed time of 20 minutes for any game and the most any opponent can stall is 10 minutes. And as I said earlier, stalling is not beneficial any more, on the contrary.

    yeah that sounds far worse than what we have, i rather wait 90 sec to have it auto end their turn so i can continue playing

    i certainly wouldnt want them to sit there for 10 min

    and i certainly wouldnt want the game to force end at 20 min, who is the winner then if nobody has met the current win conditions?

    there are times ive trailed an opponent (they were at like 15 prestige and i was at 3) and i turned the match around and ended up winning

    if an opponent could just get a prestige lead like that and then stall out 10 minutes to get the game time to force end, i see this being abused even worse than the current system
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  • Gnesnig
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    if an opponent could just get a prestige lead like that and then stall out 10 minutes to get the game time to force end, i see this being abused even worse than the current system

    You run out of time, you loose. So if they stall for 10 minutes at 15/3 lead, they loose, cause their time is up and not yours.
  • Necrotech_Master
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    Gnesnig wrote: »
    if an opponent could just get a prestige lead like that and then stall out 10 minutes to get the game time to force end, i see this being abused even worse than the current system

    You run out of time, you loose. So if they stall for 10 minutes at 15/3 lead, they loose, cause their time is up and not yours.

    that wouldnt be as bad, but i still would have the 90 sec timer per turn so your not sitting there for 10 solid minutes doing nothing

    personally this would make me less inclined to even bother with competitve or queued tribute (and i already basically never do it, i only did 13 total matches to get the card upgrades that you can only get by using the patron ability in pvp)
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