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Hot Take: AWA is good

  • Jaraal
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    Elsonso wrote: »
    Jaraal wrote: »
    Elsonso wrote: »
    Jaraal wrote: »

    Correction: of the people who participate in the forum, 1/3 claimed they were a PC player and played through Steam. :smile:

    Sure, if you think almost 500 poll responders aren't representative of the overall PC login distribution.

    That's like saying the number of forum participants who are blonde haired is not representative of the overall PC players.

    There is no way for us to validate the responses against the overall population of the game, let alone the PC population or the Steam population.

    No way for us to disprove that it's not representative, either! ;)
    RIP Bosmer Nation. 4/4/14 - 2/25/19.
  • wolfie1.0.
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    Every other MMO has account wide achives, it is the industry standard. WoW, New World, FF14

    New World has a crafting system in which you have to grind a gazillion mats to create one item. As well as guild run cities....

    FF14 has an aggressive house bidding system and annoying cut scenes every 5 seconds and a monetization scheme that makes zos look lite.

    Should ESO also adopt these same things?
  • kargen27
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    Jaraal wrote: »
    Lumsdenml wrote: »
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    Browiseth wrote: »
    i can't believe we live in a world where this is a hot take

    zos removing one of the most pointless and arbitrary grinds (doing achievements all over again) is one of the best changes they ever made

    Because its not a hot take.
    It's only a vocal minority that dislike AWA.

    Part of the reason we are in such small numbers now is so many people quit.

    Maybe people you know quit, but there are actually more people playing now than before u33. Stream charts have 17,885.6 average players for February 2022 (u33 was March 22) and for April 23 there were 18,182.9.

    Idk if those numbers are meaningful. A lot of people don't bother with steam (myself included), April 2023 there was a free play event, and 300 people (the difference between 17,885 and 18,182) is not actually that many overall.
    It also doesn't account for people like me-- who still play, but much less.

    Oh, I think that people playing on steam is a minority, so I'm sure they're are a lot more than the average (18,182.9) says, but I do believe that trends are relatively accurate. I dont think stream has any significant difference to their player base than non steam players.

    Over 1/3 of the PC players use Steam.

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/584393/pc-players-only-do-you-play-eso-through-steam/p1

    you and others are assuming the forums are an accurate representation of the player population. They are not.

    "Even when AWA was announced, those of us who didn't like it were in the very small minority.
    We were vocal then too, but that was nothing compared to those in favour of AWA at the time."

    Same thing here. We were a minority in the forums but that doesn't mean we were/are a minority in the game.
    and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."
  • Jaraal
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    kargen27 wrote: »
    you and others are assuming the forums are an accurate representation of the player population. They are not.

    So do you think there are a larger percentage of Steam players that use the forum than there are who do not? Or a smaller percentage? Help me understand how 500 forum users (who all play on PC) are not representative of all PC users when it comes to how they log into the game.
    RIP Bosmer Nation. 4/4/14 - 2/25/19.
  • Northwold
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    Jaraal wrote: »
    kargen27 wrote: »
    you and others are assuming the forums are an accurate representation of the player population. They are not.

    So do you think there are a larger percentage of Steam players that use the forum than there are who do not? Or a smaller percentage? Help me understand how 500 forum users (who all play on PC) are not representative of all PC users when it comes to how they log into the game.

    As a matter of statistics, the manner in which the poll (self selection) is conducted, the venue of the poll (again, self selection but with extra hoops), and the small sample size make it near-meaningless as a source of data for the whole player base of the game. But i think we can safely assume that many players more generally use Steam, if nothing else.
    Edited by Northwold on May 10, 2023 9:34PM
  • Elsonso
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    Jaraal wrote: »
    kargen27 wrote: »
    you and others are assuming the forums are an accurate representation of the player population. They are not.

    So do you think there are a larger percentage of Steam players that use the forum than there are who do not? Or a smaller percentage?

    It would be interesting to find out, but ZOS will never tell us.

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