VinnyGambini wrote: »Isn't relequen OP as hell? Last time I did some duels in bergama I noticed most ppl use relequen, and I started to wonder why. Then I did some calculations:
A character with 7k wep dmg (which is common) will reach 400 dmg tooltip with relequen, that is 4k, with 10 stacks. That is 4k dps with set itself.
Comparing to other proc sets for example way of fire - same character will reach 4,4k tooltip, but every 2s = 2,2k dps.
Another example is Pillar of nirn - also same character, 26k tooltip, over 10s = 2,6k dps.
As you can see Relequen is WAY more powerful than other sets, personally I think it's extremly OP. And this is both PvP and PvE, it just looks like a pure exploit, and basiccally every elite player uses this set, both PvP and PvE.
My suggestion is - lower it's dmg to pillar of nirn level, or make it 10% stronger maximum.
And on top of that, because it requires consistent light attack damage every GCD to maintain max stacksVinnyGambini wrote: »Isn't relequen OP as hell? Last time I did some duels in bergama I noticed most ppl use relequen, and I started to wonder why. Then I did some calculations:
A character with 7k wep dmg (which is common) will reach 400 dmg tooltip with relequen, that is 4k, with 10 stacks. That is 4k dps with set itself.
Comparing to other proc sets for example way of fire - same character will reach 4,4k tooltip, but every 2s = 2,2k dps.
Another example is Pillar of nirn - also same character, 26k tooltip, over 10s = 2,6k dps.
As you can see Relequen is WAY more powerful than other sets, personally I think it's extremly OP. And this is both PvP and PvE, it just looks like a pure exploit, and basiccally every elite player uses this set, both PvP and PvE.
My suggestion is - lower it's dmg to pillar of nirn level, or make it 10% stronger maximum.
VinnyGambini wrote: »You sure it is so weak for pvp?
Go Bergama and see yourself that 50% of elite PvPers are using it.
And I'm quite sure more than 50% elite PvEers are also using it.
Are they all wrong?
VinnyGambini wrote: »You sure it is so weak for pvp?
Go Bergama and see yourself that 50% of elite PvPers are using it.
And I'm quite sure more than 50% elite PvEers are also using it.
Are they all wrong?
Shepoffire wrote: »Rele isn't that great in any content. But pvp? Definitely notVinnyGambini wrote: »You sure it is so weak for pvp?
Go Bergama and see yourself that 50% of elite PvPers are using it.
And I'm quite sure more than 50% elite PvEers are also using it.
Are they all wrong?
The fact that it ticked on you 94 times for such a low amount of damage should show you..... Like that less than 1k dps
VinnyGambini wrote: »You sure it is so weak for pvp?
Go Bergama and see yourself that 50% of elite PvPers are using it.
And I'm quite sure more than 50% elite PvEers are also using it.
Are they all wrong?
VinnyGambini wrote: »You sure it is so weak for pvp?
Go Bergama and see yourself that 50% of elite PvPers are using it.
And I'm quite sure more than 50% elite PvEers are also using it.
Are they all wrong?
VinnyGambini wrote: »You sure it is so weak for pvp?
Go Bergama and see yourself that 50% of elite PvPers are using it.
And I'm quite sure more than 50% elite PvEers are also using it.
Are they all wrong?
Shepoffire wrote: »Rele isn't that great in any content. But pvp? Definitely notVinnyGambini wrote: »You sure it is so weak for pvp?
Go Bergama and see yourself that 50% of elite PvPers are using it.
And I'm quite sure more than 50% elite PvEers are also using it.
Are they all wrong?
The fact that it ticked on you 94 times for such a low amount of damage should show you..... Like that less than 1k dps
LOL Relequen is one of the meta raid DPS sets (for certain types of encounters).
Can't it be purged in PvP?
VinnyGambini wrote: »You sure it is so weak for pvp?
Go Bergama and see yourself that 50% of elite PvPers are using it.
And I'm quite sure more than 50% elite PvEers are also using it.
Are they all wrong?
38,994 total damage with 94 total ticks comes down to 415 damage per tick, which yeah, isn't that strong. As opposed to Zaan which did 9,693 damage over 9 ticks which comes out to 1077 damage per tick, more than double Relequen. Heck, even those 10 ticks of degen did more damage in a short burst scenario than Relequen. And once one moves out of open world and goes into instanced PvP like BGs or Cyrodiil and IC, then Relequen becomes significantly weaker due to Battle Spirit. Especially when you take into consideration Relequen is one the few proc sets that cannot crit.
Rele is not strong in PvP. And the numbers show it.
VinnyGambini wrote: »You sure it is so weak for pvp?
Necrotech_Master wrote: »400 tooltip dmg in pvp is like 200, then armor and mitigations probably bring that down to 80-100 per stack, so even with 10 stacks that would be like 800-1000, but you would have to actually maintain it on a target, which is extremely difficulty in pvp
Relequen is the best set for stack and burn fights in pve, not because it's particularly good, but because most trial sets, especially the medium ones are really disappointing, you only really use it because it's the best minor slayer set, not because it's a good set, the only reason it's op in duels is because battle spirit is missing, and it's a guaranteed 1v1, I don't think the game should balance around duels because it's not leaderboard competitive and you can self balance with gentelmens agreements in tournaments etc.
dinokstrunz wrote: »It's pretty good in 1v1 situations for PvP. It adds a lot of pressure for ranged builds. Cleanse isn't very effective against it as it can only remove several stacks at a time.