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Khajiit passive forces you to play them if you want steal
Elrender
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-3 sneak detection radius is crucial when you planning steal items from NPCs. So any other race will be worse then Khajiit. That passive makes khajiit meta race for stealing and it hurts so bad that you forced to play specific race but not race that you want.
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adriant1978✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Everything has a meta: Altmer for magicka DPS, Redguard for stamina DPS, etc. Why shouldn't Khajiit have something they are best at?
Unless you're aiming to be the absolute best of the best though it doesn't really matter.4 -
CameraBeardThePirate✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭You aren't forced into playing Khajiit at all. It's still possible to reach a 0m detection radius without Khajiit - you just have to invest a little into CP to get there. Default radius is 8m.
Night Mother's Embrace, Night Terror, and Darloc Brae sets (you can wear all of these at once) get you down to a 2m detection radius already. The CP star "Out of Sight" allows you to reduce your radius by 1m per stage, up to 3 stages, so investing a little CP into this star will get you to 0m. You can't be anymore stealthy than that (without invis), so being a Khajiit would be redundant at that point.Edited by CameraBeardThePirate on April 22, 2023 4:18PM3 -
Ilsabet✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭My Breton master thief would disagree.
As CameraBeard said, if you're serious about thieving then you can let your gear do a lot of the work for you. Or just be cautious and patient and build up your legerdemain and Thieves Guild skill lines and you'll be golden. (And carry around a few counterfeit pardon edicts to cover the oopsies.)Ilsabet Menard - DC Breton Nightblade archer - Savior of Pretty Much Everything, Grand Overlord & Empress Nubcakes
Katarin Auclair - DC Breton Warden healer & ice mage
My characters and their overly elaborate backstories
Ilsabet's Headcanon
The Adventures of Torbyrn Windchaser - Breaking the Ice & Ashes to Ashes
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭My Breton master thief would disagree.
As CameraBeard said, if you're serious about thieving then you can let your gear do a lot of the work for you. Or just be cautious and patient and build up your legerdemain and Thieves Guild skill lines and you'll be golden. (And carry around a few counterfeit pardon edicts to cover the oopsies.)
My Breton master thief and Silencer would also disagree!
She's also a sorc, not even a nightblade. I was pleasantly surprised how forgiving the Thieves Guild/Dark Brotherhood quests were for such a non-meta pick.0 -
Elrender✭✭✭adriant1978 wrote: »Everything has a meta: Altmer for magicka DPS, Redguard for stamina DPS, etc. Why shouldn't Khajiit have something they are best at?
Unless you're aiming to be the absolute best of the best though it doesn't really matter.
it matter. if you want t obe effective against npc while pickpocteting em. only khajiit can stand in front of npc and be undetected it also has 15% higher chance to steal items.
That sucks, i dont like look of khajiit at all.
in single TES i can pic kany race and steal with 100% chance, in teso - not1 -
Elrender✭✭✭My Breton master thief would disagree.
As CameraBeard said, if you're serious about thieving then you can let your gear do a lot of the work for you. Or just be cautious and patient and build up your legerdemain and Thieves Guild skill lines and you'll be golden. (And carry around a few counterfeit pardon edicts to cover the oopsies.)
you dont understand what you talking about.
i have wood elf, with 20 legedermain, CP stars (-3m redius sneaking) and 3 (THREE!!!) sets that gives me sneak radius. And its still becomes detected when pickpocketing an npc.
then i have khajiit, with same gear and skills and cp and what do you think? he cas stand on hpc head or in fron of him and still wont be detected by it.
its silly [snip]
[edited for profanity bypass]Edited by ZOS_Icy on April 22, 2023 5:59PM0 -
SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I play whatever race and class I want and don't even know what the passives are. I find it ridiculous that if a player wants to play this class they have to choose this race to do it.PCNA2 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭it matter. if you want t obe effective against npc while pickpocteting em. only khajiit can stand in front of npc and be undetected it also has 15% higher chance to steal items.
...Maria Montclair just stands behind her victims while pick, pick, stabbing them for the honor of the Night Mother.0 -
DinoZavr✭✭✭✭✭
✭@Elrender you are wrong.
Character wearing 5 pcs of Night Mothers Embrace, and 4 pcs of Darloc Brae plus 3 pcs of Night Terror has 4 m detection radiusif you want t obe effective against npc while pickpocteting em. only khajiit can stand in front of npc and be undetected it also has 15% higher chance to steal items.
investing 2 Skillpoints into Improved Sneak medium armor passive and using 3 stages of Out of Sight CP star makes a non-Khajiit undetectable by the victim (there might be witnesses of the crime, not of your character and sentry guards with buffed sneak detection, though)
Also being a vampire helps with movement speed in stealth, but we talk about detection radius, yes?
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Faulgor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The real deal is the +5% pickpocket chance. That bonus you just can't get anywhere else, and absolutely makes a difference.Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
Vivec: Worse, buddy. They're buying it.0 -
BejaProphet✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ah yes,…the [snip] and ancient debate over meta pickpock….wait….seriously?
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Elrender✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »it matter. if you want t obe effective against npc while pickpocteting em. only khajiit can stand in front of npc and be undetected it also has 15% higher chance to steal items.
...Maria Montclair just stands behind her victims while pick, pick, stabbing them for the honor of the Night Mother.
If you want spend dozen of time in game calculating angle of pickup then do this, but i prefer to play without this ***. And khajiit is only race that allows that.0 -
Elrender✭✭✭@Elrender you are wrong.
Character wearing 5 pcs of Night Mothers Embrace, and 4 pcs of Darloc Brae plus 3 pcs of Night Terror has 4 m detection radiusif you want t obe effective against npc while pickpocteting em. only khajiit can stand in front of npc and be undetected it also has 15% higher chance to steal items.
investing 2 Skillpoints into Improved Sneak medium armor passive and using 3 stages of Out of Sight CP star makes a non-Khajiit undetectable by the victim (there might be witnesses of the crime, not of your character and sentry guards with buffed sneak detection, though)
Also being a vampire helps with movement speed in stealth, but we talk about detection radius, yes?
yes yes yes, i know all of that. And as i said earlier only khajiit has 100% stealth, even when you stand in front of npc, with all these sets and CPs. Other races cannot.
Also it has +5% pickpocket chance that is crucial in this game. Others dont have.
In single TES games this passives doesnot matter but in MMO does.0 -
Elrender✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »I play whatever race and class I want and don't even know what the passives are. I find it ridiculous that if a player wants to play this class they have to choose this race to do it.
Yes, i too find that you must choose race because of its passives. In good MMOs races dont have such passive skills, or they matter really nothing. But not in ESO. Thats the problem. And khajiit and sneaking is one of them.0 -
CompM4s✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »I play whatever race and class I want and don't even know what the passives are. I find it ridiculous that if a player wants to play this class they have to choose this race to do it.
It really doesn't matter for most the game until you get into endgame competitive pvp or pve.0 -
Ilsabet✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »it matter. if you want t obe effective against npc while pickpocteting em. only khajiit can stand in front of npc and be undetected it also has 15% higher chance to steal items.
...Maria Montclair just stands behind her victims while pick, pick, stabbing them for the honor of the Night Mother.
If you want spend dozen of time in game calculating angle of pickup then do this, but i prefer to play without this ***. And khajiit is only race that allows that.
So like... crouching behind an NPC is too time-consuming?Ilsabet Menard - DC Breton Nightblade archer - Savior of Pretty Much Everything, Grand Overlord & Empress Nubcakes
Katarin Auclair - DC Breton Warden healer & ice mage
My characters and their overly elaborate backstories
Ilsabet's Headcanon
The Adventures of Torbyrn Windchaser - Breaking the Ice & Ashes to Ashes
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DinoZavr✭✭✭✭✭
✭yes yes yes, i know all of that. And as i said earlier only khajiit has 100% stealth, even when you stand in front of npc, with all these sets and CPs. Other races cannot.
i will just place it here.
my Orc crafter parked in Vivec City made a short walk to the city Guards.
HIDDEN at point blank.
I would still suggest to try to check this yourself, these overland sets are cheap at the Guild Traders.
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caesarvs✭✭✭✭jesus christ, people complain about EVERYTHING
this is not a single TES, it is a MMO TES. It's not that hard to understand the difference1 -
SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »I play whatever race and class I want and don't even know what the passives are. I find it ridiculous that if a player wants to play this class they have to choose this race to do it.
Yes, i too find that you must choose race because of its passives. In good MMOs races dont have such passive skills, or they matter really nothing. But not in ESO. Thats the problem. And khajiit and sneaking is one of them.
I am not agreeing with this. I play whatever race and class I want regardless of what their passives are. Just because one race may be slightly better at one thing doesn't mean the others aren't good at it, too. I refuse to let this influence my character choices.Edited by SilverBride on April 23, 2023 2:43PMPCNA0 -
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✭My High Elves are the definition of criminal scums. Any class can be stealthy and efficient at being thieves/murderers.(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Burn/Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Heal- Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Inferno/Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Rage of the Ursauk jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Twilight Tormentor (Twilight Matriarch for solo roleplay variant of build), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Crushing Shock/Storm Pulsar, Streak, Flame/Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Fire/Storms, Twilight Tormentor (Twilight Matriarch for solo roleplay variant of build) and Fiery/Thunderous Rage.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gifElectric-Ward- My Healer Build.
- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gifElectric-Vamp- My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Mother Ciannait's (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Max Mag Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), CP restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and CP ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact for regular and NoCP build/Oblivion's Foe for dot build (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable. Max Mag Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Max Mag Enchants). Knight Slayer/Pariah jewelry/Plaguebreak for dot build (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant for regular and noCP build/absorb magicka enchant and Sharpened for dot build. Sharpened for dot build)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant regular and noCP build/absorb magicka enchant and Sharpened for dot build).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Empowered Ward, and Shatter Soul.
https://media.tenor.com/ogWfvDdsqBIAAAAd/anime-black-clover.gifDuskfang- My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that only utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (Infused/shock enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on head and everything else Magicka Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Max Health Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant/Stealth-Draining Poison IX), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1:Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver (Shatter Soul).
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Lover for penetration when playing a sorc or temp.
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Biting Aura, Thaumaturge, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvE Temp: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Weapons Expert, Biting Aura, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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CameraBeardThePirate✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭@Elrender you are wrong.
Character wearing 5 pcs of Night Mothers Embrace, and 4 pcs of Darloc Brae plus 3 pcs of Night Terror has 4 m detection radiusif you want t obe effective against npc while pickpocteting em. only khajiit can stand in front of npc and be undetected it also has 15% higher chance to steal items.
investing 2 Skillpoints into Improved Sneak medium armor passive and using 3 stages of Out of Sight CP star makes a non-Khajiit undetectable by the victim (there might be witnesses of the crime, not of your character and sentry guards with buffed sneak detection, though)
Also being a vampire helps with movement speed in stealth, but we talk about detection radius, yes?
yes yes yes, i know all of that. And as i said earlier only khajiit has 100% stealth, even when you stand in front of npc, with all these sets and CPs. Other races cannot.
Also it has +5% pickpocket chance that is crucial in this game. Others dont have.
In single TES games this passives doesnot matter but in MMO does.
That's just not true though. All races can get to a 0m detection radius.0 -
Ratzkifal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Well, Bosmer used to have that sneak radius too. Then ZOS removed it and gave them detection. It's stupid.
If I was in charge of racial passives, I would give Bosmer, Dunmer, Argonians and Khajiit a bonus to stealth and Orc a bonus to detection (since there is sort of a lore precedent for that and it makes it fair in PvP that EP and AD have stealth races while DC has anti-stealth). And no, I wouldn't remove any of the currently existing passives, since stealth and detection don't affect your ability to fight.
But ZOS refused to listen to reason on this for for almost 4 years now, so I wouldn't get my hopes up. It's also the main reason why I don't take ESO's lore seriously anymore if they can't even get basic stuff like this right. Bosmer have been defined by archery and stealth for 25 years before this change and now they less stealthy than Imperials, who have a 6% reduction to the cost of sneak.This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.0 -
BejaProphet✭✭✭✭✭
✭Are we going to talk about the real elephant in the room? The broken swimming meta! I swear the developers play argonians.Royal Poet's Dungeon Tanking Guide https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/416797/royal-poets-guide-to-traditional-tanking-in-veteran-dungeons#latest1 -
Elrender✭✭✭CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »@Elrender you are wrong.
Character wearing 5 pcs of Night Mothers Embrace, and 4 pcs of Darloc Brae plus 3 pcs of Night Terror has 4 m detection radiusif you want t obe effective against npc while pickpocteting em. only khajiit can stand in front of npc and be undetected it also has 15% higher chance to steal items.
investing 2 Skillpoints into Improved Sneak medium armor passive and using 3 stages of Out of Sight CP star makes a non-Khajiit undetectable by the victim (there might be witnesses of the crime, not of your character and sentry guards with buffed sneak detection, though)
Also being a vampire helps with movement speed in stealth, but we talk about detection radius, yes?
yes yes yes, i know all of that. And as i said earlier only khajiit has 100% stealth, even when you stand in front of npc, with all these sets and CPs. Other races cannot.
Also it has +5% pickpocket chance that is crucial in this game. Others dont have.
In single TES games this passives doesnot matter but in MMO does.
That's just not true though. All races can get to a 0m detection radius.
then why when im playing any other race then khajiit i still can be detected by npc and when i put same build and gear on my khajiit i cant be detected even if i stand in front of npc?0 -
Elrender✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »I play whatever race and class I want and don't even know what the passives are. I find it ridiculous that if a player wants to play this class they have to choose this race to do it.
Yes, i too find that you must choose race because of its passives. In good MMOs races dont have such passive skills, or they matter really nothing. But not in ESO. Thats the problem. And khajiit and sneaking is one of them.
I am not agreeing with this. I play whatever race and class I want regardless of what their passives are. Just because one race may be slightly better at one thing doesn't mean the others aren't good at it, too. I refuse to let this influence my character choices.
if you are casual players yes, it doesnot matter. But i talking about effectiveness. And for stealth khajiit is META race. And this is bad.
For example i want create sneaky bosmer nightblade and steal stuff from npc from time to time to get recipes and etc. Can i do that? Well yes, but with a lot of problems.I will be detected and will get caught, will need t opay money t oguards, lose my time calculating angle for sucsessful pickpocketing and etc. Also i will have 5% less chance of pickpocket an item.
But if i pick khajiit these problems will be gone. So game FORCES me to play race i dont like. Because its so much better.
Again - in single TES games i can choose any race because u have save\load feature and any race can train pickpocket to level 100. But not in TESO0 -
CameraBeardThePirate✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »@Elrender you are wrong.
Character wearing 5 pcs of Night Mothers Embrace, and 4 pcs of Darloc Brae plus 3 pcs of Night Terror has 4 m detection radiusif you want t obe effective against npc while pickpocteting em. only khajiit can stand in front of npc and be undetected it also has 15% higher chance to steal items.
investing 2 Skillpoints into Improved Sneak medium armor passive and using 3 stages of Out of Sight CP star makes a non-Khajiit undetectable by the victim (there might be witnesses of the crime, not of your character and sentry guards with buffed sneak detection, though)
Also being a vampire helps with movement speed in stealth, but we talk about detection radius, yes?
yes yes yes, i know all of that. And as i said earlier only khajiit has 100% stealth, even when you stand in front of npc, with all these sets and CPs. Other races cannot.
Also it has +5% pickpocket chance that is crucial in this game. Others dont have.
In single TES games this passives doesnot matter but in MMO does.
That's just not true though. All races can get to a 0m detection radius.
then why when im playing any other race then khajiit i still can be detected by npc and when i put same build and gear on my khajiit i cant be detected even if i stand in front of npc?
It means you probably aren't getting it to 0. Default is 8m. The three different sets you can stack get you down to 2. You need to use CP or Legerdemain/Thieves Guild to get the rest of the way to 0 as a non Khajiit.0 -
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✭✭CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »@Elrender you are wrong.
Character wearing 5 pcs of Night Mothers Embrace, and 4 pcs of Darloc Brae plus 3 pcs of Night Terror has 4 m detection radiusif you want t obe effective against npc while pickpocteting em. only khajiit can stand in front of npc and be undetected it also has 15% higher chance to steal items.
investing 2 Skillpoints into Improved Sneak medium armor passive and using 3 stages of Out of Sight CP star makes a non-Khajiit undetectable by the victim (there might be witnesses of the crime, not of your character and sentry guards with buffed sneak detection, though)
Also being a vampire helps with movement speed in stealth, but we talk about detection radius, yes?
yes yes yes, i know all of that. And as i said earlier only khajiit has 100% stealth, even when you stand in front of npc, with all these sets and CPs. Other races cannot.
Also it has +5% pickpocket chance that is crucial in this game. Others dont have.
In single TES games this passives doesnot matter but in MMO does.
That's just not true though. All races can get to a 0m detection radius.
then why when im playing any other race then khajiit i still can be detected by npc and when i put same build and gear on my khajiit i cant be detected even if i stand in front of npc?
It means you probably aren't getting it to 0. Default is 8m. The three different sets you can stack get you down to 2. You need to use CP or Legerdemain/Thieves Guild to get the rest of the way to 0 as a non Khajiit.
This is valid, but it's also worth pointing out that this arbitrary standard of "I must have a detection radius of 0m" isn't actually necessary to be an effective thief. It's like how combat meta-chasing might make a difference if you're trying to squeeze every last drop out of your DPS parse, but most players can do most content without needing absolute best-in-slot for absolutely everything. So yeah, Khajiit passives on top of the other available passives will give you the most possible thieving bonuses you can get, but those other available passives will do the job quite adequately for non-Khajiit characters. And beyond that, there's always player skill.
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