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No aoe on arcanist

Somber97866
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Why wouldn't they have an actual class aoe in the build?
  • Narvuntien
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    There is some AoE with *looks up the skill name* Imperfect ring and there is a morph of runeblades that will do more AoE damage rather than single target.
  • Somber97866
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    I'm talking about class skills! There are some area burst damage abilities but not one classic area damage ability that stacks with other aoe's . There is the beam type aoe but that makes your toon unable to do anything else. This is my arcanist fatal flaw in my opinion
  • Ratzkifal
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    Narvuntien wrote: »
    There is some AoE with *looks up the skill name* Imperfect ring and there is a morph of runeblades that will do more AoE damage rather than single target.

    And their damaging ult is also AoE. And their tentacles are AoE. And the laser is AoE.
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  • Somber97866
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    Yes but still no real aoe
  • Soarora
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    Imperfect Ring is their AoE. I've noticed it disappears quickly visually I don't know if that's intentional but that's their AoE.
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  • Somber97866
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    It's like a staple and they left out
  • Soarora
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    It's like a staple and they left out

    I mean I guess Imperfect Ring is more like fetcher infection but they still have an AoE. Actually I think it not being one you have to aim is great as someone who is utterly awful at aiming aoes.
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  • Somber97866
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    Imperfect ring is a dot aoe?
  • Somber97866
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    Or just a area burst damage skill
  • Ratzkifal
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    Yes but still no real aoe
    It's like a staple and they left out

    What is a "real" AoE to you?
    Do you want a damage over time effect that applies to multiple targets with one cast? They have that. The Imperfect Ring does exactly that, except that unlike with other classes you do not need to recast it if the enemies move because the damage over time is stuck on them. That's arguably better than what other classes have.
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  • Somber97866
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    Aoe a skill that's a area dot ya know
  • Ratzkifal
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    Imperfect ring is a dot aoe?
    Or just a area burst damage skill

    It is a spell, targetting a single target, that applies a damage over time effect on every enemy within a certain area around the primary target. So it is an AoE, even if the area effect is only very short. But it still serves the purpose of damaging multiple enemies at once over an extended period of time.
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  • Somber97866
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    I don't see any skill thats really too much of a dot on the arcanist but that's not my point . I havent seen where there is any aoe ( area dot) in the arcanist skill line. Havent really noticed to many dots either. There is the beam thing but like I said you cannot do any other action besides that one while it's being cast so not a. Dot or an aoe but a beam
  • Somber97866
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    Im talking about a area damage over time class ability. Which it does not have
  • Janni
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    I think the term you are looking for is 'Ground Effect'. They have plenty of AoE but yeah it seems like they only have one, rather underwhelming ground effect AoE.
  • Soarora
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    Im talking about a area damage over time class ability. Which it does not have

    It does. Imperfect ring. "Summon a flawed rune under an enemy that etches foes nearby with scrawled glyphs, dealing 4631 Magic Damage over 20 seconds." It's an AoE DoT.
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  • Ratzkifal
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    Aoe a skill that's a area dot ya know

    "I know" that an AoE is commonly understood as "area of effect" and that does not mean it's automatically a dot (damage over time). Subterranean Assault is an AoE, but not a dot.
    I don't see any skill thats really too much of a dot on the arcanist but that's not my point . I havent seen where there is any aoe ( area dot) in the arcanist skill line. Havent really noticed to many dots either. There is the beam thing but like I said you cannot do any other action besides that one while it's being cast so not a. Dot or an aoe but a beam

    Well then look again. It's there. The Imperfect Ring and morphs deal damage over 18-20 seconds. The beam deals damage to multiple people too, which makes it an AoE and it counts as a dot for the purpose of dot damage boosting effects.
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  • Somber97866
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    Doesn't that one taunt the enemy as well?
  • Somber97866
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    Plus 4000 dps in 20secs.......... Really ?!?!
  • Somber97866
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    It's not ground effect either. That's not what's it's called. It's called an aoe. Area of effect.
  • Soarora
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    Doesn't that one taunt the enemy as well?

    No.
    Plus 4000 dps in 20secs.......... Really ?!?!

    It's unbuffed.
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  • Ratzkifal
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    The rune is an area, but you cast it on one target. It applies to all enemies in that area as denoted by the use of plural in the following. It deals damage over time. The values shown are unbuffed and can get much higher.

    In addition to that you still have the good old wall of elements and scalding rune if that's not enough AoE dots for you.
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  • HowlKimchi
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    Wait a while. The Imperfect Ring will eventually be a generic aoe dot for the sake of homogenization.
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  • Ratzkifal
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    HaruKamui wrote: »
    Wait a while. The Imperfect Ring will eventually be a generic aoe dot for the sake of homogenization.

    I think it's more of the opposite. Every dot will be like Imperfect Ring, because that gets rid of unnecessary positional calculations, which makes performance better. But sure, once every skill works like the Imperfect Ring, it will be generic and homogenized.
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  • tsaescishoeshiner
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    Plus 4000 dps in 20secs.......... Really ?!?!

    Hi! It deals about 20% less damage than Twisting Path while offering a synergy, lasting longer, and following the target:

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    While their spammable, execute ability, and beam attack all deal AoE, they don't have as many AoE DoTs as most classes. I would say less than Nightblade has. Overall, I think their AoE damage can still be pretty high, just with Cephaliarch's Flail, Fatecarver, The Unblinking Eye, and Runeblades instead.
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  • Somber97866
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    @tsaescishoeshiner you have made a viable argument. While I still do not agree with the build missing an actual aoe it does seem they possess some area burst damage and may prove my feeling that this class was built around either a new healer, tank or pvp dps wrong. We will see I guess
  • Ratzkifal
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    @tsaescishoeshiner you have made a viable argument. While I still do not agree with the build missing an actual aoe it does seem they possess some area burst damage and may prove my feeling that this class was built around either a new healer, tank or pvp dps wrong. We will see I guess

    What do you mean it's missing an "actual AoE". How is this so hard? Just use the words that mean what you want to express: "persistent ground-based area of effect damage over time ability".
    It has AOE. It has dots. It has AOE dots. It has persistent AOE dots. The only thing it does not have (aside from the ultimate) is a persistent ground-based AOE dot. It checks all the other boxes. If anything it does not have proper AOE burst, like Blastbones or Sub-assault.
    Edited by Ratzkifal on April 24, 2023 11:38PM
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  • JMadFour
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    Ratzkifal wrote: »

    What do you mean it's missing an "actual AoE". How is this so hard? Just use the words that mean what you want to express: "persistent ground-based area of effect damage over time ability".

    I think he means "a skill that makes a big shiny circle on the ground that enemies stand in".

    and apparently no other AOE damage counts as AOE if it doesn't come with a big shiny circle.
    Edited by JMadFour on April 25, 2023 1:30AM
  • caesarvs
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    gimme shiny circles :(
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