Nerf heavy attack builds

isthatujonwayne

I have been playing this game just after release. I had a break recently and have returned to what I will say is the worst thing eso could have done....... heavy attack builds everywhere.

Oakensoul heavy attack builds picking up IR titles as easy as sunshine Saint!

It is shocking...... I can only hope that the HA gets nerfed to the ground.. that way we may get all the healers back that could suddenly dps

Heromofo

[snip] Let's speed through all the points that every thread ends up at before been closed.

1. Titles and achievements mean nothing, all things can be bought and ever since ZOS allowed crown selling in game it's a big business.
2. 2 bar builds are still king topping over 130k + while 1 bar is still capping around 104k with perfect rotation.
3. Reason you see so many is because people bloody hate bar swapping and light weaving. This has lead to more popularity in 1 bar and Oakensoul has just expanded it.
4. Don't like it Don't use it
[snip]

Etc
Etc
Etc

This has been done to death and comes down to the above point's then people end up abusing one another then thread gets closed and a new one starts.

[Edited for Baiting]

BaalMelqartu

Seriously, there was a near endless thread about this already that they just shut down today because this always seems to result in people shouting at each other and descending into chaos. Just because one CAN tell everyone else around them what they think they should be doing and thinking doesn't mean they SHOULD.

isthatujonwayne

I apologise that I don't live in forums so do not see that regularly. As said if u read it... have just returned.had I seen it then I would have no need to ask about the issue or give my thoughts.
I seen people asking for HA only...... [snip]

That's why they have forums.... to discuss.

As an early player of the game it just baffles me how the game has gone.... I have no doubt i will still be playing, but it is shocking.

On the plus side.... my 7 year old will be able to cover for me in my IR runs

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Hapexamendios

HA builds are not the highest DPS. There us absolutely no reason to nerf them.

Nyseto

isthatujonwayne wrote: »

I have been playing this game just after release. I had a break recently and have returned to what I will say is the worst thing eso could have done....... heavy attack builds everywhere.

Oakensoul heavy attack builds picking up IR titles as easy as sunshine Saint!

It is shocking...... I can only hope that the HA gets nerfed to the ground.. that way we may get all the healers back that could suddenly dps

I agree. There’s this bias towards taking the side of HA builds and LA players receiving hate. It’s as if the mere scent of someone being anti-oakensoul makes them the boogeyman. I think that arcanists’s crux system will be compromised by a HA build due to skills needing to be cast to generate crux, and the potential new mythics will lead to an empower nerf.

I’m actually fine with oakensoul the way it is, except for empower. The cp should be nerfed or the HA multiplier changed. Empower should also have a major and minor form.

BaalMelqartu

There is not a bias on the part of heavy builds. SO many individuals have given their side SO vehemently that whether you are pro heavy attack build or anti, you can look up the many other threads about it and seek whatever validation of your viewpoints that you would like receive.

I for one hope that they come out with several other viable builds for people to make. Make one that especially utilizes bashing and blocking for DPS, make one that utilizes dodging through enemies have sets to enhance it. Anything to break things away from there only being one meta path to walk down. Times change.

Auldwulfe

Trying to figure out if this is just a sockpuppet rendition to start up a thread that was shut down by the mods, already.

Probably not... but also would probably be best shut down early......

Auldwulfe

Snamyap

isthatujonwayne wrote: »

It is shocking......

🤭

Estin

These threads won't get anywhere. I think everything has already been said in the locked thread. People who want Oakensoul, Empower, Tri-Focus, and or the two HA sets to be nerfed won't be swayed to go on the side of leaving it as it, and the people who take advantage of HA builds, whether for legitimate reasons or just sheer refusal to play 2 bar builds, won't be swayed to go on the side of having it nerfed. All that's left is to wait and see what ZoS ends up doing. Will they acknowledge that HA builds are overtuned, whether it's empower or the 2 sets? Or will they keep it as is as their response for accessibility? Only time will tell.

Estin

BaalMelqartu wrote: »

I for one hope that they come out with several other viable builds for people to make. Make one that especially utilizes bashing and blocking for DPS, make one that utilizes dodging through enemies have sets to enhance it. Anything to break things away from there only being one meta path to walk down. Times change.

I was around for game launch and I do remember that Bash was stupidly OP in the first month or so of the game's release. It was so strong that it did more damage than most skills if I remember correctly. I personally would like to see 1h and shield to be a viable DPS option. Not OP, but viable.

Auldwulfe

sh4d0wh4z3 wrote: »

These threads won't get anywhere. I think everything has already been said in the locked thread. People who want Oakensoul, Empower, Tri-Focus, and or the two HA sets to be nerfed won't be swayed to go on the side of leaving it as it, and the people who take advantage of HA builds, whether for legitimate reasons or just sheer refusal to play 2 bar builds, won't be swayed to go on the side of having it nerfed. All that's left is to wait and see what ZoS ends up doing. Will they acknowledge that HA builds are overtuned, whether it's empower or the 2 sets? Or will they keep it as is as their response for accessibility? Only time will tell.

I'll only note that you missed the third group, the people that feel it's just another build, no different than mixing pillars of nirn, etc....and who have proven they can do heavy attack builds without Oakensoul, that are every bit it's equal.

If you want permanent Empower, you can just as easily use Queen's Elegance from Auridon... it gives 3 seconds every time you do damage.... with no cooldown, so with HA builds, would be, pretty much, constant uptime whenever in combat.....

Oakensoul is just one thing, and the most current click bait for all the streamers that are desperately trying to get back to pre U35 viewer numbers...... slap it in the title, whether it actually does anything, or not, and you get those that love it, and those that hate it clicking away to satisfy their need for either affirmation, or outrage .......

Auldwulfe

colossalvoids

sh4d0wh4z3 wrote: »

These threads won't get anywhere. I think everything has already been said in the locked thread. People who want Oakensoul, Empower, Tri-Focus, and or the two HA sets to be nerfed won't be swayed to go on the side of leaving it as it, and the people who take advantage of HA builds, whether for legitimate reasons or just sheer refusal to play 2 bar builds, won't be swayed to go on the side of having it nerfed. All that's left is to wait and see what ZoS ends up doing. Will they acknowledge that HA builds are overtuned, whether it's empower or the 2 sets? Or will they keep it as is as their response for accessibility? Only time will tell.

Can actually see them nerfing already underperforming sets instead, making actual HA builds even less relevant in the future.

Heromofo

BaalMelqartu wrote: »

There is not a bias on the part of heavy builds. SO many individuals have given their side SO vehemently that whether you are pro heavy attack build or anti, you can look up the many other threads about it and seek whatever validation of your viewpoints that you would like receive.

I for one hope that they come out with several other viable builds for people to make. Make one that especially utilizes bashing and blocking for DPS, make one that utilizes dodging through enemies have sets to enhance it. Anything to break things away from there only being one meta path to walk down. Times change.

See this lad actually sees the possibilities, ever since Oaken. Mythics that change up playstyles and i personally want more and more.

☆ A mythic that turns sword and board into dps via damage return aka thorns?. So you could see dps taunting side mobs and redirecting their damage towards another mob while causing the little mob to take return damage.

☆ A Mythic that adds an explosive payload to bow shots making them just nasty aoe buggers.

☆ Heck off the top of my head what about a mythic that builds the dps on a target instead of straight up damage. That is triggered when the player stops attacking and is released as an aoe.

BaalMelqartu

Yes, please and thank you. Options. Anything other than just "point me to the current meta".

Red_chimera_oni

Heromofo wrote: »

I hope this is a joke thread, ..."

All this thread is nothing more then create hate/baiting. And i wonder why MODs allow all this threads go forward. there's nothing new here. All they search to kill/nerf oakensoul.

Edit:
Yesterday i did vCR+2
My DPS in trash 83k
Templar DPS in trash 87k
Nightblade DPS in trash 103k
DK TOP1 DPS

In boss:
My DPS 53k
Nightblade 77k
Templar 81k
DK 92k top1 again
I was 5best DPS and once more, only me with HA.

MOD Can i post the print screen? I will not edit it.

Milchbart

isthatujonwayne wrote: »

It is shocking......

Is it?

To whom besides you?

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Katlefiya

Milchbart wrote: »

isthatujonwayne wrote: »

It is shocking......

Is it?

To whom besides you?

[snip]

Yeah, I really wonder why viable HA builds might suddenly be a "shocking" thing? Because they never were viable before? Or is it the fact that they are a proof that a large percentage of the ESO player population really do not like the 2-bar, LA weaving combat that that is still the best-performing way to play the game - just not by the large marging it was before.

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Heromofo

Katlefiya wrote: »

Milchbart wrote: »

isthatujonwayne wrote: »

It is shocking......

Is it?

To whom besides you?

[snip]

Yeah, I really wonder why viable HA builds might suddenly be a "shocking" thing? Because they never were viable before? Or is it the fact that they are a proof that a large percentage of the ESO player population really do not like the 2-bar, LA weaving combat that that is still the best-performing way to play the game - just not by the large marging it was before.

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Can confirm always used one bar setups since console launched and i was able to xfer from pc. We ended up leaving eso due to our one bar builds getting ripped a new one and actually came back thanks to Oakensoul builds. My mates and i are Australian so we have extra fun already with lag / packet loss.

Eso combat has definitely always been a sore point and my least favourite among the mmos we have played over the years. Never enjoyed personally the bar swapping and light weaving aspect.

KlauthWarthog

We are just going to continue to get one of those threads every 2-3 days now, aren't we?

Snamyap

isthatujonwayne wrote: »

I have been playing this game just after release. I had a break recently and have returned to what I will say is the worst thing eso could have done....... heavy attack builds everywhere.

Oakensoul heavy attack builds picking up IR titles as easy as sunshine Saint!

It is shocking...... I can only hope that the HA gets nerfed to the ground.. that way we may get all the healers back that could suddenly dps

Maybe the nay-sayers should ask themselves:"would it be good for the population of the game to now suddenly, a year after introduction, nerf this playstyle into the ground? And how would that potential reduction in income for ZOS affect the future of this game we love to play?"

ZOS_Phoenix

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FantasticFreddie

Oh for heaven's sake, why do heavy attack builds bother people so much? If you don't like it, don't play it. You can still LA weave and use both bars, and no one cares. Let people have their fun.

Red_chimera_oni

FantasticFreddie wrote: »

Oh for heaven's sake, why do heavy attack builds bother people so much? If you don't like it, don't play it. You can still LA weave and use both bars, and no one cares. Let people have their fun.

• Cuz they have to be better then others in anyway.
• No one force them to use HA, but they wanna force others to use 2bars.
• No one force them to make less DPS, but they wanna force others too.
• HA can make harder content now, but "others" care about cuz "maybe" they're losing money with less selling runs!? This can be true. Not to all players, but for those who sell runs, this is indeed a very serius problem.
  Etc etc etc....

But anyway... Only more hate/baiting like all others closed threads.

Nyseto

_Yulan_ wrote: »

FantasticFreddie wrote: »

Oh for heaven's sake, why do heavy attack builds bother people so much? If you don't like it, don't play it. You can still LA weave and use both bars, and no one cares. Let people have their fun.

• Cuz they have to be better then others in anyway.
• No one force them to use HA, but they wanna force others to use 2bars.
• No one force them to make less DPS, but they wanna force others too.
• HA can make harder content now, but "others" care about cuz "maybe" they're losing money with less selling runs!? This can be true. Not to all players, but for those who sell runs, this is indeed a very serius problem.
  Etc etc etc....

But anyway... Only more hate/baiting like all others closed threads.

What is considered hate/baiting is very subjective. This thread has actually been much more civil compared to other HA threads in my opinion.

Lumenn

KlauthWarthog wrote: »

We are just going to continue to get one of those threads every 2-3 days now, aren't we?

Seems like it. I wonder how many more accounts of returning players or ones that haven't posted in a year there are to start a new/same thread?
HA builds are getting so much hate. Zos raised the floor and didn't lower the ceiling on this one. Many of us who can/have worked for a two bar rotation are THRILLED that there is another viable path(less dps, but viable). We've DONE IT. Some are STILL doing it. You still have to farm the sets. You still have to have a rotation. And because it's less dps, you need to pay MORE attention to mechanics like the designer's intended rather than blast through them. Some of us are thrilled! I hope zos makes more viable methods. Faster button mashing shouldn't be the gatekeeper on higher content, and I for one love having guildmates or even pugs run something the first time!

Faulgor

Why are people acting like this is the first time HA builds are good? I just hope this time they are here to stay.

Only problem is that HA and lightning staff build is pretty much synonymous. Wish there were feasible HA builds for other weapons.

Red_chimera_oni

KlauthWarthog wrote: »

We are just going to continue to get one of those threads every 2-3 days now, aren't we?

Yeap. Even if it's against CoC. I really belive "duplicate topics", "create other one with same content after mod close it" is not legal and CoC say you cannot do it. But... Well... Ok. Let'gs go again....

TaSheen

"Legal" isn't the situation unless it's the same poster who started the first thread starting another after the first was closed.

Red_chimera_oni

TaSheen wrote: »

"Legal" isn't the situation unless it's the same poster who started the first thread starting another after the first was closed.

So, if MOD close this topic, i can make other one? When mods close it you open one, then anyother who wish keep all this hate or baiting. As long anyone keep all of this... Np at all. I got it! Mods close it.... Someone create it again

AnduinTryggva

Sorry, I had to laugh when I read this thread title. A 10-page thread on this same story was just closed and I guess this one will end there soon too...