Templar Question

Amerises

I’m use to wearing two damage sets and a damage mythic or monster set on top of that … The burst damage is still low, and it’s hard to seal the deal. So I’ve been thinking of adding a defensive set and thought about Pariah paired with Titanborn. I like rallying cry backbarred, but I like the idea that I get better mitigation AND harder hitting when lower on health, so I can stay aggressive. Im use to be aggressive and hate the “I’m going to stand here with 5 people attacking me and do nothing while they do nothing” kind of game play. Anyone try this, or another set up THIS PATCH on a Templar? … I just hate my Templar now. Been maining templars for 4 years, but now they just sit unused and thought I’d try and revive the PvP Templar.

maxjapank

Most Templars are playing ranged, either with staff or bow. I have yet to see a Templar playing with Jabs in pvp since Update 35, almost a year ago.

Amerises

Aug, that just feels so wrong… Dark flare as spammable?

Amerises

I looked at some range builds. They seem extremely solid, only… Templar without jabs 😢

maxjapank

Amerises wrote: »

Aug, that just feels so wrong… Dark flare as spammable?

No. Haven't seen Dark Flare for a couple years now. Mostly Force Shock or Elemental weapon with javelin and Radiant Opression. A Tempsorc.

Wilku1909

I've checked this setup few weeks ago and I wasn't satisfacted. In theory titanborn + pariah + undead passive looks very strong, unfortunately to get best bonus from titanborn you need to be on less then half of your HP which makes you main target in cyro, ic or bgs. Insted of making preasure when bonus is highest , very often you will try to survive. On the top of that don't forget about executes of your enemies same like bloodthirsty etc.
If you are planning to switch 2 offensive sets for titanborn + pariah your offence will get weaker.
Pariah is good set but not best, and if you want to have any chance in pvp playing templar against dks,wardens and nbs you need best sets just to minimalize diffrences beetwen classes.
That's how I see this but maybe more experienced players can say something more.

WaywardArgonian

I think such a set-up would just make it difficult to swap between offensive/defensive phases. Templar, as long as the resource pools are okay, generally has little trouble getting back up to full health quickly, so you'd really have to time your healing while also balancing your attack phase with making sure you don't die. Undeath + Pariah would buy you some time in the execute range, but some skills/executes can hit so hard that you can immediately be put on the back foot in such a situation.

If you want a traditional Templar (so not ranged), just get Mara's Balm for your defense (I know, boring, but everyone uses it for a reason), and Sea Serpent's Coil + Balorgh (or Zaan) to carry the damage. For the remaining set you can consider sets like Rallying Cry, Wretched Vitality, Clever Alchemist, Deadly Strike or some other set that fits your need. You can also try making a set-up with arena weapons such as Master DW and/or Vateshran destro staff. So kind of what every class is running at this point, really. Not the most exciting meta, I know.

Syiccal

I mainly bg and I'm having decent success with maras on back wretched on front and maarselock.
3H 3M 1L

Maras frees up a bar space as I don't need to use extended ritual which is nice as it cost a *** tone.

I would call my plar a hybrid as its neither mag or stam ad uses best of both.

Syiccal

WaywardArgonian wrote: »

I think such a set-up would just make it difficult to swap between offensive/defensive phases. Templar, as long as the resource pools are okay, generally has little trouble getting back up to full health quickly, so you'd really have to time your healing while also balancing your attack phase with making sure you don't die. Undeath + Pariah would buy you some time in the execute range, but some skills/executes can hit so hard that you can immediately be put on the back foot in such a situation.

If you want a traditional Templar (so not ranged), just get Mara's Balm for your defense (I know, boring, but everyone uses it for a reason), and Sea Serpent's Coil + Balorgh (or Zaan) to carry the damage. For the remaining set you can consider sets like Rallying Cry, Wretched Vitality, Clever Alchemist, Deadly Strike or some other set that fits your need. You can also try making a set-up with arena weapons such as Master DW and/or Vateshran destro staff. So kind of what every class is running at this point, really. Not the most exciting meta, I know.

This is on the money

Amerises

WaywardArgonian wrote: »

…So kind of what every class is running at this point, really. Not the most exciting meta, I know.

😪 I just don’t understand ZoS. Everyone in PvE is using the same set up and everyone in PvP is using the same set up. Game came out with a rock-paper-scissors approach, everyone had weaknesses and strengths. In the name of balance they just made different animations for the exact same thing

Syiccal

That's what happens over the years when ppl complaining thier class doesn't have a skill or ability another class has

MEBengalsFan2001

Syiccal wrote: »

That's what happens over the years when ppl complaining thier class doesn't have a skill or ability another class has

It is the imbalance of how buffs and debuffs are spread out among the classes. Sorc and Templar lack good buffs and debuffs. Necro lack good buffs. The Warden, NB, and DK are all fairly balanced in this regards with Warden debuff being for the group, DK is a bit of both and NB is mostly self focused. This makes these three classes better in PVP than the other three classes.

When the devs started to adjust the damage of abilities they didn't really look at how buffs/debuffs will impact each class in PVP and PVE. The current results speaks for themselves in PVP and PVE.

DK and NB are the best PVE damage dealers and that carries over into PVP as well. Wardens are excellent healers and tanks and this is seen with how that carries over into PVP. Warden with frost staff setup with high crit can do really well damage wise but it is a very niche build.

Templars primary way they were competitive was because of their higher damage but when the devs did there damage adjustment pass it had a multiple negative effects to the Templar class and now the class is anything but enjoyable.

I play a templar and i play mine as a debuff bott and it all from gear sets and a few none templar skills but my Warden would shine better as a debuff bot over my templar, same with my necro.

Balancing damage of skills is only part of how a game is balanced, devs also need to balance out buff/debuffs.

Game isn't balance by any means among the classes.

Templars, Sorc and Necro are simply garbage classes.

Caribou77

Every semi competitve templar I see in bgs these days is leaning hard on radiant oppression and aurora javelin, and theyre very tanky.

Spamming jesus beam is numbingly boring. It’s terrible what they did to the class. Honestly.

Amerises

Caribou77 wrote: »

Every semi competitve templar I see in bgs these days is leaning hard on radiant oppression and aurora javelin, and theyre very tanky.

Spamming jesus beam is numbingly boring. It’s terrible what they did to the class. Honestly.

Yeah, that’s pretty much what I was going to build into and see how I like it. Not excited.

Deltia’s new build loads people up with DoT’s first, stun, backlash blows up, Jesus beam.

Doesn’t even have a spammable. Basically, see which target is squishy and kill that one, lol

Udrath

I have 7.5k spell damage, 10k pen. Using jabs/purifying light and vamp bane. I struggle to kill anyone who has a good build (maras balm) Damage is low and the cool down on burning light needs to go. Thinking about doing auroran thunder and malacath.

Syiccal

Udrath wrote: »

I have 7.5k spell damage, 10k pen. Using jabs/purifying light and vamp bane. I struggle to kill anyone who has a good build (maras balm) Damage is low and the cool down on burning light needs to go. Thinking about doing auroran thunder and malacath.

It's not your dmg stats that are the problem it's the skills your using I'm afffraid..power of light is not worth the slot and neither is vamps bane. I still play with jabs as I don't feel like a plar without them but my dmg comes from vateshran staff and master dw

Amerises

Syiccal wrote: »

Udrath wrote: »

I have 7.5k spell damage, 10k pen. Using jabs/purifying light and vamp bane. I struggle to kill anyone who has a good build (maras balm) Damage is low and the cool down on burning light needs to go. Thinking about doing auroran thunder and malacath.

It's not your dmg stats that are the problem it's the skills your using I'm afffraid..power of light is not worth the slot and neither is vamps bane. I still play with jabs as I don't feel like a plar without them but my dmg comes from vateshran staff and master dw

It’s odd, but I see so many guides still using PL/PotL, but unless it crits, it doesn’t seem to do much.

Syiccal

Amerises wrote: »

Syiccal wrote: »

Udrath wrote: »

I have 7.5k spell damage, 10k pen. Using jabs/purifying light and vamp bane. I struggle to kill anyone who has a good build (maras balm) Damage is low and the cool down on burning light needs to go. Thinking about doing auroran thunder and malacath.

It's not your dmg stats that are the problem it's the skills your using I'm afffraid..power of light is not worth the slot and neither is vamps bane. I still play with jabs as I don't feel like a plar without them but my dmg comes from vateshran staff and master dw

It’s odd, but I see so many guides still using PL/PotL, but unless it crits, it doesn’t seem to do much.

Power of the light has been gutted for a while

MEBengalsFan2001

I tried 20 different set combination and its as simple as this, templars don't have the utility that NB, DK, and Warden have for taking down another player.

Going up against a Necro it is usually a stalemate due to both classes have strong survival skills and both having weak damage or issues with class skill when going up against each other. Going against a sorc, sorc has the slight advantage due to streak and being able to get separation but again usually a stalemate.

Against DK, NB, and Warden it is usually game over. Warden are just too good defensively and have some of the best CC, I die from running out of resources from trying remove the CC by a warden. NB simply have too much damage with an easy escape ability. The brawler build of a NB are even more of a pain than the standard NB build. Finally DK have good long term buff, they have good CC, good resource recovery, the best and game breaking ultimates, and with multiple DoTs available can pressure you constantly.

I stopped playing my templar as a damage dealer in PVP. I'm a debuffer now and nothing more and it all from gear and non-templar skills. It's sad that the devs destroyed the templar class with update 35.

FirmamentOfStars

I still play templar solo, but only in no proc cyrodiil. There i can at least outskill my opponents, since damage procs do not exist. Sadly i also had to realize that i dont have the damage to kill the best players there, even though i can easely survive them and even outdps them despite them playing dks mostly. even without such a good finisher like beam, you wont kill good players, since they stun or bash you right during your executes and easely blockheal through it at 20-30% hp.

TechMaybeHic

I'd suggest lean into bloodthirsty and beam. That's all that's left.

Mansquito

The class lacks both burst damage and also the ability to pressure, thanks to PotL/PL not working and Jabs being nerfed. In addition, jabs is so difficult to actually get to hit the enemy. The class is in a pathetic, sorry state of affairs but is just being canned/ignored by ZOS at this point, it seems.

As for the beam bloodthirsty combo, it is really not as good as some would have you believe. Yeah you can kill squishies with it but NB, DKs and and Wardens all have the healing to burst back up to full with no problem at all. Also, you have to get them down to 50% health first and doing that on even half decent players on a Templar atm is a struggle.

Udrath

I really wish they gave major brutality/sorcery to both morphs of jabs. It would allow us to drop degenerate for something more useful if playing magplar.

Auroran thunder and malacath are pretty good together if you use jabs. You need to get the tooltip to a least 3k, so it’s doing around 15k damage over 5 seconds, which is like 5k-6k damage in pvp lol

TechMaybeHic

Mansquito wrote: »

The class lacks both burst damage and also the ability to pressure, thanks to PotL/PL not working and Jabs being nerfed. In addition, jabs is so difficult to actually get to hit the enemy. The class is in a pathetic, sorry state of affairs but is just being canned/ignored by ZOS at this point, it seems.

As for the beam bloodthirsty combo, it is really not as good as some would have you believe. Yeah you can kill squishies with it but NB, DKs and and Wardens all have the healing to burst back up to full with no problem at all. Also, you have to get them down to 50% health first and doing that on even half decent players on a Templar atm is a struggle.

I actually find I am doing very well with Templar right now leaning into that. Sure; it would be easier on a DK or a NB and now even sorcs seem to be running around spamming mages wrath. But its better than it was before update 37. Wardens probably still up there but so far I've seen a drop off. And necros are just gone.

I've played plar as a main since beta, so yes; its in a rough spot but it's been there before, but balance is bad and its my class. If I manage to consistently do decent; it will just make me all the better when the pendulum swings.

Syiccal

I main a hybrid plar on xbox eu, I'm doing pretty well with it right now without playing the range beam plar, I think those I bg against would agree..

katorga

Play a DK or NB.

Any build you can come up with, a DK or NB will do about 30% more effectively anyway.

The class is in the Necromancer Zone where a single nerf to a single skill can move the class straight to the bottom of the tier list. The templar spammable got ruined, the burst skill doesn't seem to work, other classes heal better in pvp now.

Sergykid

an overview over the spells in this thread
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/629111/templar-audit-for-future-update

mmtaniac

Templar should have passive in Dawn's wrath tree that increase damage and healing of channeled abilities by maximum health of target or self health if channeled healing. Something similiar to execute scaling but it's scaling from maximum health to maximum 60% of target health, (not work with executes) and maximum damage increase is 15-25%(15-25% is enough it's counter major evasion and improve damage of jabs by value we lost by nerf)

Why Dawn's Wrath tree it's because 2 passives Illuminate and Prism is 100% similiar to one passive of Dragonknight Mountain Blessing this two can be one thing if Zos want to be fair. This way we have that one extra slot for something useful. And Somehow repair problem with templar . Templar is king of Channeled abilites but have 0 passives that improve channeled aspect. Deadly set is perfect example of Templar set. If they want us to be still channeled masters we need options and some improvement in that category.

Neoauspex

I don't even use a spammable on my Templar, I just heal people until meteor is up.

KainedED

Hey, I made a build video for a melee templar using dizzy swing. In my experience its been insanely effective but obviously Templar as a whole is still severely lacking a good offensive toolkit other than Radiant.

Check it our, hope this helps.

https://youtu.be/99XxC0n2VkA

ketsparrowhawk

Long time StamPlar main. I will not slot the Beam and I will not give up jabs! I mainly do BG's. This is the best setup I've found that works well for me and still feels like a classic stamplar: https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=488398

Solar barrage + deadly cloak + blood mist + crescent ult + jabs = a ton of AOE pressure. Can also be a decent off healer thanks to wretched. Deadly Strike applies to all the AOE pulses btw.