Cyrodiil has become (even more) unplayable

Hrafngrimr3

@ZOS_Kevin & @ZOS_GinaBruno Can we get some confirmation that cyrodiil and PvP performance are being given serious consideration? Can we get an update on some of the promises Matt Firor made - what are the goals for pvp performance improvements and how are these being measured? Entire keeps of people are crashing, the skill delay has become unplayable (not just general lag but actual full 5 second delays), the list goes on and on. PvP is the only aspect of the game I play and the only reason I maintain an ESO+ subscription but it’s starting to feel like what I get vs. what I give aren’t of equal value.

Wuduwasa13

100% agree. Trying to play gray host cyro and the lag is ever-increasing. Enormous lag in skill execution, opening/exiting doors, mounting (when persistent mount bug isn’t present), endless crash waves during siege. Random load screens whilst travelling to keeps with other players.

I too only play + pay eso plus for pvp & the game is fast becoming wholly unplayable in a literal sense.

I only came back to ESO to play pvp with friends, but with it in its current state I feel this is fast becoming untenable for me.

TechMaybeHic

Yeah PCNAs improved performance after the server refresh is back to bad again as well. Makes me think after they refresh the others, mane they do the same process they did to move to new hardware, just to refresh the existing. Once a quarter. It clearly was better, but didn't last

Mansquito

It genuinely is unplayable. Skills not working even after 5 attempts, crashes constantly, frame rate drops to sub 20 FPS pretty much all the time when there's a total of at least 2 or 3 bars on across alliances (I'm on Xbox).

It's probably the most poorly optimized triple A game I've ever played, yet gets propped up because people continue to buy the gimmicky dlc without voting with their wallet.

I'd happily get ESO plus, get the dlcs etc but what's the point when the lag is just so, so bad.

The game and PVP content, for all of its flaws, and there are tonnes of them, is still intriguing and exciting, but the lag is seriously undermining it at present. The class balancing issues are huge at the moment, but the priority should be sorting out this absolutely unparalleled awful lag that you encounter in PVP. I'm sure that when there are 6 to 9 bars in Cyrodiil that the lag has begun permeating PVE zones, too, it's that bad.

Kaysha

Yes it´s bad. We came to the point where you have to say "stop, this isn´t worth the investment of time and money anymore".
Which is really really sad. Fantactic gameplay, fantastic stories, fantastic artwork. But unplayable.

It´s like owning a Ferrari and not being able to drive because you don´t have fuel.

Arrow312

It starts on Xbox EU by 7 Bars below the performance isn t great but ok by 7 or more stop playing Cyro and move on to something else because you dont fighting other you fighting the lag and delay.

Hrafngrimr3

It’s really bad, and the answer is always “have you tried resetting your connection?” Which isn’t an answer to a problem thats not on my end. I play on Xbox EU as well, and yeah it’s gotten so much worse over the last year (it was bad before) and now it’s just not worth the endless frustration of poor performance, poor responses, and silence on any action plan.

Arrow312

I know @Hrafngrimr3 see you often enough everything in my house is connected and it is funny that everything works but Eso tells me to check my connection. This is not a connection problem this is a ESO-Server problem. I mean you know as well as me when there are around 3-4 bars fighting for a keep you will kick or get rollbacks, delays, laggs. New Server will never fix those probs. They have to rewrite the complete Code. This and new Servers could improve the performance.

AdamLAD

Ah ! Fellow Xbox EU players @Wuduwasa13 @Arrow312 @Hrafngrimr3 . Prime time is shocking. Not prime time is shocking. Even in Auridon were we duel it lags.

Mansquito

It's so bad tonight (Xbox EU), crashed 8 times within 2 hours and group of 12 went to 0 because it was unplayable. It's absolutely horrendous.

Hrafngrimr3

AdamLAD wrote: »

Ah ! Fellow Xbox EU players @Wuduwasa13 @Arrow312 @Hrafngrimr3 . Prime time is shocking. Not prime time is shocking. Even in Auridon were we duel it lags.

I just don’t see a positive solution at the moment, and that’s frustrating. I don’t like feeling that I’m complaining, but I also don’t feel like PvP people are asking for too much when it comes to performance improvements - especially when they’ve allowed it to become this bad. Or asking for some insight into how performance improvements are being measured and what the expectations are.

Maybe then my crystal frags will actually correctly proc or a potion will go off while I’m still alive and not after 😉

AdamLAD

Hrafngrimr3 wrote: »

AdamLAD wrote: »

Ah ! Fellow Xbox EU players @Wuduwasa13 @Arrow312 @Hrafngrimr3 . Prime time is shocking. Not prime time is shocking. Even in Auridon were we duel it lags.

I just don’t see a positive solution at the moment, and that’s frustrating. I don’t like feeling that I’m complaining, but I also don’t feel like PvP people are asking for too much when it comes to performance improvements - especially when they’ve allowed it to become this bad. Or asking for some insight into how performance improvements are being measured and what the expectations are.

Maybe then my crystal frags will actually correctly proc or a potion will go off while I’m still alive and not after 😉

There's been a bug lately which you randomly can't press any skills for an indefinite amount of time. I jumped on a Dk in and started to duel, just randomly couldn't press any skills. Happened on my sorc in cyrodill a few times. I've got the clips on my xbox. No idea if it's down to lag or a bug

TechMaybeHic

AdamLAD wrote: »

Hrafngrimr3 wrote: »

AdamLAD wrote: »

Ah ! Fellow Xbox EU players @Wuduwasa13 @Arrow312 @Hrafngrimr3 . Prime time is shocking. Not prime time is shocking. Even in Auridon were we duel it lags.

I just don’t see a positive solution at the moment, and that’s frustrating. I don’t like feeling that I’m complaining, but I also don’t feel like PvP people are asking for too much when it comes to performance improvements - especially when they’ve allowed it to become this bad. Or asking for some insight into how performance improvements are being measured and what the expectations are.

Maybe then my crystal frags will actually correctly proc or a potion will go off while I’m still alive and not after 😉

There's been a bug lately which you randomly can't press any skills for an indefinite amount of time. I jumped on a Dk in and started to duel, just randomly couldn't press any skills. Happened on my sorc in cyrodill a few times. I've got the clips on my xbox. No idea if it's down to lag or a bug

I had something like this happen last week. Figured it was lag

Edit: actually I remember after it happened, I stood in a keep and found that abilities took 1-2 seconds after push to go off, and if I pressed too soon; they wouldn't until I stopped pressing

Hrafngrimr3

I had a bug yesterday that wouldn’t let me use any skills unless I was standing still and even then, had to press each one about 4/5x before it would go off. After an hour in cyrodiil with those moments it’s just calling it quits.

Durham

Cyrodil is Ball group with infinate healing at perm. speed cap lol (so broke) vs Tank vs Tank vs small Tank group vs Tank Gankers vs Speed Tank vs Stand still Tank

So either be a tank or run in a ball group !!! GREAT JOB with balance!
CRAP PVP atm

So performance in my mind is not as big as deal as the game itself. They are not addressing serious issues in the game!

Kaysha

Durham wrote: »

Cyrodil is Ball group with infinate healing at perm. speed cap lol (so broke) vs Tank vs Tank vs small Tank group vs Tank Gankers vs Speed Tank vs Stand still Tank

So either be a tank or run in a ball group !!! GREAT JOB with balance!
CRAP PVP atm

So performance in my mind is not as big as deal as the game itself. They are not addressing serious issues in the game!

this is all that has to be said

Hrafngrimr3

To be honest, I’m way less concerned with balance issues at the moment than performance. I can appreciate that currently pvp is pretty unbalanced (just look at sorcs and their current state), but those are things which can be adjusted with incremental patches (as tedious as that is) whereas the current state makes the game actually unplayable.

Arrow312

AdamLAD wrote: »

Hrafngrimr3 wrote: »

AdamLAD wrote: »

Ah ! Fellow Xbox EU players @Wuduwasa13 @Arrow312 @Hrafngrimr3 . Prime time is shocking. Not prime time is shocking. Even in Auridon were we duel it lags.

I just don’t see a positive solution at the moment, and that’s frustrating. I don’t like feeling that I’m complaining, but I also don’t feel like PvP people are asking for too much when it comes to performance improvements - especially when they’ve allowed it to become this bad. Or asking for some insight into how performance improvements are being measured and what the expectations are.

Maybe then my crystal frags will actually correctly proc or a potion will go off while I’m still alive and not after 😉

There's been a bug lately which you randomly can't press any skills for an indefinite amount of time. I jumped on a Dk in and started to duel, just randomly couldn't press any skills. Happened on my sorc in cyrodill a few times. I've got the clips on my xbox. No idea if it's down to lag or a bug

The good old grey bar... i had this yesterday several times in combination with lag and delay. Normally i must get an achievment cyro Tri factor complete or so....

olsborg

Hrafngrimr3 wrote: »

an ESO+ subscription but it’s starting to feel like what I get vs. what I give aren’t of equal value.

Now you start feeling it? Ive had that feeling for atleast 4 years if not more, and ive only sometimes a few months here and there, in that time, had an ESO+ active because it does not feel right to pay money for a service thats not being provided.

AdamLAD

Arrow312 wrote: »

AdamLAD wrote: »

Hrafngrimr3 wrote: »

AdamLAD wrote: »

Ah ! Fellow Xbox EU players @Wuduwasa13 @Arrow312 @Hrafngrimr3 . Prime time is shocking. Not prime time is shocking. Even in Auridon were we duel it lags.

I just don’t see a positive solution at the moment, and that’s frustrating. I don’t like feeling that I’m complaining, but I also don’t feel like PvP people are asking for too much when it comes to performance improvements - especially when they’ve allowed it to become this bad. Or asking for some insight into how performance improvements are being measured and what the expectations are.

Maybe then my crystal frags will actually correctly proc or a potion will go off while I’m still alive and not after 😉

There's been a bug lately which you randomly can't press any skills for an indefinite amount of time. I jumped on a Dk in and started to duel, just randomly couldn't press any skills. Happened on my sorc in cyrodill a few times. I've got the clips on my xbox. No idea if it's down to lag or a bug

The good old grey bar... i had this yesterday several times in combination with lag and delay. Normally i must get an achievment cyro Tri factor complete or so....

Yeah my bar goes grey and when I press any skill it says it pressed but nothing happens lol

Arrow312

Same by me. Skills didn't work you press 6 times and just 1 worked.

Do you know the spectral bow Bug? it shows you the bow but when you will shoot the bow you just recast the ability. Great work in Combat when you do your combo and instead you hit the bow you just recast....75 % damage loss...

btw sometimes i didn t see your Streak in the lag it looks like you teleport lol.

If there are less than 7 Bars cyro works but on Primetime with 3-3-2 forget it.

AdamLAD

There's a few things I'm noticing when it comes to performance. Nearly all skills now take effect not when the caster casted them. I'm applying sheilds and whips are desyncing through the wards, snipe, dizzy. Anything. It doesn't help when skills don't cast when you want them to cast either or don't at all. It's like there registered at different times from player to player. I can apply a ward and then I'll hear 4 snipes and eventhough I'm shielded it will still hit my HP, the same principle applies to other skills. The best way I can describe it, is like old sheild breaker but with all skills lol. Just oblivion damage after oblivion damage.

Also I'm noticing that CC immunity is really really bad. And that breakfree is becoming harder to cast due to lag. There's been a few times where I've been fossilised and negated and it takes a long time to breakfree then due to the morph I'm immobilised but also takes a while to rolldodge. So since it takes so long to do anything inside a negate, your basically eliminated from playing. You might aswell put the controller down as that's the same equivalent.

Hrafngrimr3

AdamLAD wrote: »

There's a few things I'm noticing when it comes to performance. Nearly all skills now take effect not when the caster casted them. I'm applying sheilds and whips are desyncing through the wards, snipe, dizzy. Anything. It doesn't help when skills don't cast when you want them to cast either or don't at all. It's like there registered at different times from player to player. I can apply a ward and then I'll hear 4 snipes and eventhough I'm shielded it will still hit my HP, the same principle applies to other skills. The best way I can describe it, is like old sheild breaker but with all skills lol. Just oblivion damage after oblivion damage.

Also I'm noticing that CC immunity is really really bad. And that breakfree is becoming harder to cast due to lag. There's been a few times where I've been fossilised and negated and it takes a long time to breakfree then due to the morph I'm immobilised but also takes a while to rolldodge. So since it takes so long to do anything inside a negate, your basically eliminated from playing. You might aswell put the controller down as that's the same equivalent.

All of the above and more. Break free and CC is completely busted at the moment.

Arrow312

@AdamLAD and @Hrafngrimr3 did you play yesterday? During Primetime i was at Alsw to def against EP damn nothing worked couldnt break free, used a potion or Skills had always greybar sometimes over 3-5 sec. But i noticed another thing there must be something wrong with the calculation of your position and the time You cast your skills during a big fight. It felt like i had to wait until all other had casted their abilities on me. More or less like the Server ranked the abilities and put it into a queue....maybe just my personal feeling.

xFocused

1. Still can't barswap in bigger fights, you literally get stuck on one bar and have to run away or hide until the game allows you to barswap, been happening for a long time now.
2. Stuck in combat when you're literally running through a empty field solo, I even ran all the way back to EP's home base in Cyro while stuck in combat.
3. Skills just not working as intended. You have to press a button more than once to get a skill to work and even then, it's super delayed.
4. STUNS STUNS AND MORE STUNS. I don't get it. I'm spamming Race Against Time, Immovable potions...Yet I'm getting stunned constantly as if RaT just isn't working.
5. Stuck on one bar? Well good luck getting into a keep because apparently when you're stuck on one bar, you also can't get into keeps as well.
6. Lag lag and more lag, enough said.

These are just SOME of the major problems plaguing Cyrodiil anymore. My main guild is a mainly PvP guild and most of us are playing Destiny 2 or barely staying in Cyro for more than a hour anymore because of unplayable it is.

Wuduwasa13

AdamLAD wrote: »

There's a few things I'm noticing when it comes to performance. Nearly all skills now take effect not when the caster casted them. I'm applying sheilds and whips are desyncing through the wards, snipe, dizzy. Anything. It doesn't help when skills don't cast when you want them to cast either or don't at all. It's like there registered at different times from player to player. I can apply a ward and then I'll hear 4 snipes and eventhough I'm shielded it will still hit my HP, the same principle applies to other skills. The best way I can describe it, is like old sheild breaker but with all skills lol. Just oblivion damage after oblivion damage.

Also I'm noticing that CC immunity is really really bad. And that breakfree is becoming harder to cast due to lag. There's been a few times where I've been fossilised and negated and it takes a long time to breakfree then due to the morph I'm immobilised but also takes a while to rolldodge. So since it takes so long to do anything inside a negate, your basically eliminated from playing. You might aswell put the controller down as that's the same equivalent.

Yep, break free is appallingly bad atm. Have instances where I’m fossilised and have full bar stam, but just stay pinned despite trying desperately to break free. Takes so long that the spin-to-win dk groups can casually walk up to me and kill me.

Also, the crashes. I assume all factions in cyro experience it, but the amount of times we’ve lost taking keeps due to crash waves is stupid at this point. Groups of people wiped out, then it takes a good 10 mins to get back in as each time it crashes again loading cyro or takes you back to menu screen.

And don’t even think about attempting to enter a keep door if there are more than 10 players nearby. You’d have more luck trying to jump your mount over the side wall or dragon leap in.

Absolute *** take. The pvp community has a decent number of players & given it’s a unique style & a selling point of eso, to neglect it to this state is absolutely absurd.

Devs need to spend less time making idiotic mudcrab pets for role players & more time fixing the basic gameplay for a massive chunk of the games community!

PS- good to see familiar names here 😎💪🏻

Arrow312

Yh it is crazy at the moment, but perfomance is not the only issue we have in our Alli. We have ppl who chasing x'ers and dying again and again. Or they run with soft builds into the ballgroups and kill all around them. Sometimes i think there is a less of communication and coordination and I know we cant do it with your ZC because one Person spamming just xxx over the day.

Yesterday perfomance at Nik was also trash and there weren't many ppl around. We got delay and desync several times.

For me personal Scrolls are more important than EMP.

Mansquito

I always think EMP is more important to defend or dethrone as it's more difficult to take than just one keep for a scroll, granted running them back isn't always easy lol.

I do t know what the solution is to the lag, either no proc sets or better/more servers to handle the insane calculations going on, caused by the cross heals most likely. Maybe also tone down some of the skill effects.

Arrow312

Imo with the changes of Emp Buff for the alliance you as player not Emp benefit more from scrolls. E.G. if you defend Chal, Ash or Alsw as last emp Keep and lost everything else incl. homekeeps i dont know if this the right way because at the end you have 2 alliance knocking on your door.

I don't know if new servers will fix this issues because some of this are so old that you must maybe rewrite the Code. ON PC NA at the beginnig with the new server it was good but now the performance isn't so good.

Wuduwasa13

Nik has been acting up for a few weeks now. Used to be fine until some weeks back when suddenly it went to hell and everyone was moving like in a stop motion picture slowed down (I was there defending). Ever since it’s been laggy. Sometimes you ride to it and at the steps it throws you in a random cyro load screen.

As to Scrolls v Emp, I’d defend scrolls over emp every time. Considering they have to take the respective home keep & gateway keep (glade, arri, fare) then you’re in a bad place if the enemy is on your door and shouldn’t be worrying about a single indefensible keep you’re cut off from anyway.

Wuduwasa13

@AdamLAD - I hate your shields, but will admit they are very effective 😅💪🏻