Any hope we will see the northern part of the televanni peninsula?

Cameron991

I am so freaking hyped we are going back to morrowind, it’s my favorite location in elder scrolls lore along with favorite class. But apart of me is sad they did not give us the northern part of the telvanni peninsula. And it makes me even more sad knowing that since we won’t get a year long story chances are we won’t see the northern part until a very long time if ever. I feel like they should have done the northern part because they still could have added necrom to the map just make it the bottom corner instead of the top right corner in the current necrom chapter. Point is the area they picked according to lore seems less telvanni peninsula then the northern more telvanni controlled part of the peninsula whereas what we have now if I’m not mistaken is more house dres and indoril

Grizzbeorn

Cameron991 wrote: »

I feel like they should have done the northern part because they still could have added necrom to the map just make it the bottom corner instead of the top right corner in the current necrom chapter.

I haven't seen a map of what will be opened up, geographically, for the new chapter.
They've already revealed this somewhere? (the placement of Necrom [the city].)

(Necrom [the chapter] isn't "current;" it isn't even on the PTS yet.)



*my point kinda being, given how they've played kinda loose with the lore in relation to the map since the advent of ESO, how can we know how the unrevealed zone is going to be situated until they actually show us how they've done so on the map?
Which we won't see until closer to June; possibly until Update 38 is on the PTS.

Supreme_Atromancer

Yeah, you're right to point that out- I wondered the same myself.

UESP points out Telvanni being in the "extreme north-east", and that Indoril lands are comprised of the Heartland of Morrowind and the east coast, which highlights an explicit distinction, and results in some confusion. UESP infers that the whole area is intended to be considered the "Telvanni Peninsula", but that it is in name only.

How Necrom becomes part of that region is confusing, but we don't want to get too bogged down, so we give it a pass. But the zone map that was teased seems to focus on land that would have been a curious interpretation even if it *did* include the north part. Even more bamboozling is the natural question of how could you have a zone with the very name and then not contain the primary geography associated with the name, and the most iconic, characteristic and defining elements of that place? I don't think its much of a stretch to say that anyone with a bit of understanding about the lore about this part of the world would immediately say "Firewatch!", "Port Telvannis!", and might imagine a land of fire and ice, while pointing to the *north east corner of Morrowind*- the big, north-jutting landform everyone understands as "the Telvanni Peninsula".

Maybe there's more than meets the eye coming this year. My guess, though? I wonder if the change to ZOS' release cadence wrought a lot of change. Matt's letter late last year justified some of the changes with responses to criticism as late as High Isle, yet its been explained previously that they are working on new content significantly in advance of its release. At *least* a year.

I think that the year-long model was intended to give us "Telvanni Peninsula" proper, and that Q4 would have allowed us to explore a lot of the places that defined the Peninsula, but it was axed before it was finished.

This is complete speculation on my part, and there's too much that goes on behind the scenes to know. It *is* bamboozling, though. When people hear these names, like "Falkreath Hold" or "Telvanni Peninsula" there are obviously high expectations. There's no dev insight to be had, so we have to make our best guess based on what we are told.




The following map might have give some insight- red places are Telvanni, black are Dres and white, Indoril. Combined with the information in the PGE1, it would suggest Telvanni occupying the north of the east coast, and Indoril, the south, meeting north of Necrom. The map is official, but not canon because it was a concept map.

Supreme_Atromancer

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

Cameron991 wrote: »

I feel like they should have done the northern part because they still could have added necrom to the map just make it the bottom corner instead of the top right corner in the current necrom chapter.

I haven't seen a map of what will be opened up, geographically, for the new chapter.
They've already revealed this somewhere? (the placement of Necrom [the city].)

(Necrom [the chapter] isn't "current;" it isn't even on the PTS yet.)



*my point kinda being, given how they've played kinda loose with the lore in relation to the map since the advent of ESO, how can we know how the unrevealed zone is going to be situated until they actually show us how they've done so on the map?
Which we won't see until closer to June; possibly until Update 38 is on the PTS.

Grizzbeorn

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Darkstorne

It's confusing, for sure.

It seems like they wanted the marketing buzz behind "Telvanni Peninsula" without... actually setting the Chapter in the Telvanni Peninsula. The location they've chosen is traditionally Indoril and Dres lands, two Great Houses that were ripe for more development and exploration, but now may be getting shafted simply because the Telvanni are more marketable. They can easily spin up new lore to say "actually back in the 2nd era these were all Telvanni Lands."

Alternatively, we're getting another Blackwood situation, where most of the marketing focus was on Cyrodiil and Leyawiin for Oblivion nostalgia, but half the Chapter was actually Blackmarsh and Argonian focused. Maybe Telvanni lands are only the north western half of this new zone, and the other half will be focused on Dres and Indoril? I'd be happy enough with that.

But then why call it Telvanni Peninsula at all? I'd guess because they have no intention of ever heading to the actual Telvanni Peninsula in the future, so may as well make bank on that name here since it's as close as they're ever going to get. ESO only has so many years of content left in it, and we know we're only getting one zone per year now because "you don't actually want story content in your RPGs, because that's boring one-and-done content. We listened to you so we're giving you fewer zones and stories from now on, and focusing on repeatable content like... an endless dungeon." This is now the second Morrowind Chapter, and I think future candidates for Chapters are Hammerfell (at least one), Skingrad (surrounded by the great forest, heathlands, and possibly even heading north west into the Colovian Highlands), Falinesti (for a Bosmer expansion at last), central Blackmarsh (around Helstrom), central Elsweyr (still three cities to visit here), and more Skyrim and/or Solstheim. So I can't see them ever returning to Morrowind in ESO after this year's Chapter, hence... may as well get that Telvanni name-drop in here.

Tensar

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

Supreme_Atromancer wrote: »

[map]

Thanks.
Which game is that from?

... TESO?

Seraphayel

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

Supreme_Atromancer wrote: »

[map]

Thanks.
Which game is that from?

It's the official map for ESO after the new Chapter has been implemented. It's right from the Necrom announcement.

Grizzbeorn

Darkstorne wrote: »

The location they've chosen

Ok, obviously, I 've missed some information that they've given us at some point, and I'm trying to discern where I might go to see that information.
In which piece of media (Twitch video, article) did they state the location?

Supreme_Atromancer

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

Supreme_Atromancer wrote: »

[map]

Thanks.
Which game is that from?

I screengrabbed that one from last month's reveal.

I also saw that on the PTS they added new gates in Bal Foyen and Deshaan in anticipation of the new zones. They're inoperable right now, of course, but they don't yet exist at all on the live server. So I think that places the zone pretty solidly.

I will say much love to the world-builders btw. I'm very happy they're putting more passes between zones. And Necrom looks absolutely gorgeous in the previews.

Its just the naming of the zone is so peculiar. I think its going to be highly suspect to anyone who knows their lore and its natural people are going to wonder what the hell is up with that lol.

Grizzbeorn

Seraphayel wrote: »

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

Supreme_Atromancer wrote: »

[map]

Thanks.
Which game is that from?

It's the official map for ESO after the new Chapter has been implemented. It's right from the Necrom announcement.

Thank you.

Grizzbeorn

Supreme_Atromancer wrote: »

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

Supreme_Atromancer wrote: »

[map]

Thanks.
Which game is that from?

I screengrabbed that one from last month's reveal.

I also saw that on the PTS they added new gates in Bal Foyen and Deshaan in anticipation of the new zones. They're inoperable right now, of course, but they don't yet exist at all on the live server. So I think that places the zone pretty solidly.

I will say much love to the world-builders btw. I'm very happy they're putting more passes between zones. And Necrom looks absolutely gorgeous in the previews.

Its just the naming of the zone is so peculiar. I think its going to be highly suspect to anyone who knows their lore and its natural people are going to wonder what the hell is up with that lol.

Thanks.

I was confused because I thought I had seen everything they've released about the chapter so far.
Obviously not.

I think it might be best if I just go back to bed for the day.

Sorry.

Supreme_Atromancer

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

Supreme_Atromancer wrote: »

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

Supreme_Atromancer wrote: »

[map]

Thanks.
Which game is that from?

I screengrabbed that one from last month's reveal.

I also saw that on the PTS they added new gates in Bal Foyen and Deshaan in anticipation of the new zones. They're inoperable right now, of course, but they don't yet exist at all on the live server. So I think that places the zone pretty solidly.

I will say much love to the world-builders btw. I'm very happy they're putting more passes between zones. And Necrom looks absolutely gorgeous in the previews.

Its just the naming of the zone is so peculiar. I think its going to be highly suspect to anyone who knows their lore and its natural people are going to wonder what the hell is up with that lol.

Thanks.

I was confused because I thought I had seen everything they've released about the chapter so far.
Obviously not.

I think it might be best if I just go back to bed for the day.

Sorry.

Nah, it was easy to miss. I'm a map fiend, so I was all over it!

Tommy_The_Gun

Personally I am not much into Dunmer or Telvani stuff... especially Telvani stuff. I may have felt nostalgia towards Morrowind as this was the 1st TES game I played and it got me into TES universe, but I doubt I will feel any kind of nostalgia towards Telvani.

I think that ZOS knew exactly that and that is why they are adding new class. I may buy the chapter just for that, but for story & quests ? Definitely gonna skip this year. So I don't really know what part of Telvani Peninsula will be added. I hope for the biggest area possible so that we won't ever ever have Telvani stuff added later on, in future DLCs.

Also, seeing how we are getting basically Dunmer Chapter 2.0 (and Dunmers already have a lot of content & love) before we even got Chapters for all Races, I fear that we may never get them. That ZOS will keep going with what is the most popular stuff. So High Elf Chapter 2.0, Khajiit Chapter 2.0... Redguards, Wood Elf or Argonians will never have full year dedicated to them.

Dr_Con

I asked the same thing in the Loremaster Q&A, whether or not they answer it is totally on them

edit: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/627237/loremaster-s-archive-q-a-telvanni-lore/p1

TaSheen

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Personally I am not much into Dunmer or Telvani stuff... especially Telvani stuff. I may have felt nostalgia towards Morrowind as this was the 1st TES game I played and it got me into TES universe, but I doubt I will feel any kind of nostalgia towards Telvani.

I think that ZOS knew exactly that and that is why they are adding new class. I may buy the chapter just for that, but for story & quests ? Definitely gonna skip this year. So I don't really know what part of Telvani Peninsula will be added. I hope for the biggest area possible so that we won't ever ever have Telvani stuff added later on, in future DLCs.

Also, seeing how we are getting basically Dunmer Chapter 2.0 (and Dunmers already have a lot of content & love) before we even got Chapters for all Races, I fear that we may never get them. That ZOS will keep going with what is the most popular stuff. So High Elf Chapter 2.0, Khajiit Chapter 2.0... Redguards, Wood Elf or Argonians will never have full year dedicated to them.

Yes, right there with you on all that. *sigh*

kaushad

I believe that the Telvanni Peninsula proper will reappear in ESO unless the game shuts down first, for which I know no reason to expect. Right now on Twitter, ESO is engaging with players about ESO: Morrowind. This is nostalgic fanservice for TESIII, but it's also nostalgic fanservice for Chapter 1, which itself was fanservice for TESIII. If anything, the repetition of Telvanni content is abeing treated as a positive feedback loop.

Chapter 11: Firewatch will be distinguished from Morrowind and Necrom by the story/theme. This year, it's Lovecraft with a Telvanni backdrop. Firewatch will be something else with a Telvanni backdrop.

Cameron991

kaushad wrote: »

I believe that the Telvanni Peninsula proper will reappear in ESO unless the game shuts down first, for which I know no reason to expect. Right now on Twitter, ESO is engaging with players about ESO: Morrowind. This is nostalgic fanservice for TESIII, but it's also nostalgic fanservice for Chapter 1, which itself was fanservice for TESIII. If anything, the repetition of Telvanni content is abeing treated as a positive feedback loop.

Chapter 11: Firewatch will be distinguished from Morrowind and Necrom by the story/theme. This year, it's Lovecraft with a Telvanni backdrop. Firewatch will be something else with a Telvanni backdrop.

I hope you’re right and I wonder how long it will take to visit that