Compromise on Class change. AW ‘consumables’

UnassumingNoob

Hi there,

Seeing as class change is not on the table can you please consider an alternative.

Please make any consumables account wide. Specifically

- Provisioning recipes
- Motifs
- Furnishing plans
- (Let me know if I am missing anything)

This leaves your crown store revenue intact for skyshards, guilds, etc but allows us too play on different characters and browse auction houses, trade and loot while waiting for queues knowing exactly what we know and do not know.

This is literally the only thing still tethering me to my main. I would be spending more crowns as I explore different characters if this was too happen.

Thankyou,

Noob

El_Borracho

While I would appreciate the convenience of this, it would cripple a lot of the trading economy in the game

Hamish999

Say you don't do trading, without saying you don't do trading ...

Not to mention that known motifs and provisioning recipes have a direct effect on master writ drop rates from daily crafting writs.

Araneae6537

Motifs, traits, and recipes known (as well as rune and alchemical knowledge) influence the drop rate of master writs. Thus, if they were made accountwide, the drop rate would probably have to be nerfed, which would hurt players who prefer to play one or few characters (as it is currently, players with alts have to invest the time/gold again to get the same benefits).

With AWA, your progress toward achievements is not effected by switching characters. If motif/recipe knowledge is all that’s holding you back, why not create your new character and keep your current as a crafter and extra inventory? Now shopping on alts would still be a problem, unless you are on PC and can use the Character Knowledge or similar add-on.

UnassumingNoob

El_Borracho wrote: »

While I would appreciate the convenience of this, it would cripple a lot of the trading economy in the game

I can’t speak for anyone else but I personally collect all my motifesque consumables on one character and one character only. The people I speak to regularly do the same. Do you think it’s common for people to collect motif books on multiple characters? I consider it unlikely but I could well be wrong.

Hamish999 wrote: »

Say you don't do trading, without saying you don't do trading ...

Not to mention that known motifs and provisioning recipes have a direct effect on master writ drop rates from daily crafting writs.

See above for the first. A very valid point on the second. I guess master writ drop rates could be adjusted Accordingly.

Araneae6537 wrote: »

Now shopping on alts would still be a problem, unless you are on PC and can use the Character Knowledge or similar add-on.

Bingo.

Hamish999

UnassumingNoob wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

While I would appreciate the convenience of this, it would cripple a lot of the trading economy in the game

I can’t speak for anyone else but I personally collect all my motifesque consumables on one character and one character only. The people I speak to regularly do the same. Do you think it’s common for people to collect motif books on multiple characters? I consider it unlikely but I could well be wrong.

Hamish999 wrote: »

Say you don't do trading, without saying you don't do trading ...

Not to mention that known motifs and provisioning recipes have a direct effect on master writ drop rates from daily crafting writs.

See above for the first. A very valid point on the second. I guess master writ drop rates could be adjusted Accordingly.

Araneae6537 wrote: »

Now shopping on alts would still be a problem, unless you are on PC and can use the Character Knowledge or similar add-on.

Bingo.

I collect motifs and provisioning recipes on all my alts on a filter down system (I currently have 14 toons in total, all are max crafting level and have 8/9 traits learned, with 2 currently 9/9, all traits for jewellery). I do daily crafting writs on a minimum of 8 toons every day, which earns you 1 million+ gold every 4 weeks and for the crafting mats.

Any motif worth 20K ish and under gets filtered down through the alts everything over gets sold in the guild trader(s) and all provisioning recipes are filtered down.

This increases the chance of master writ drops across my account for my master crafter (main) to do. I will concede I wouldn't do this if I didn't use add-ons.

UnassumingNoob

Hamish999 wrote: »

I collect motifs and provisioning recipes on my alts on a filter down system (I currently have 14 toons in total, all are max crafting level and have 8/9 traits learned, with 2 currently 9/9, all traits for jewellery). I do daily crafting writs on a minimum of 8 toons every day, which earns you 1 million+ gold every 4 weeks and for the crafting mats.

Any motif worth 20K ish and under gets filtered down through the alts everything over gets sold in the guild trader(s) and all provisioning recipes are filtered down.

This increases the chance of master writ drops across my account for my master crafter (main) to do. I will concede I wouldn't do this if I didn't use add-ons.

Gotcha. On console I just do provisioning/alchemy/jewelry and enchanting. I make a stack of each possible food and potion then 6 of each rune, 12 rings and 9 necklaces. Just pick up the quest and turn it in daily. On my day off I refresh the glyphs and jewelry. Without add ons anything else takes too long to do and I don’t have the inventory space to keep a weeks worth of blacksmithing/clothing/woodworking as my other 14 Alts are equipment miles too. I work a lot but can maintain this daily rhythm in about 25 minutes across characters.

I also filter down all provisioning recipes but sell all motifs. Without doing B/C/W my drop rate isn’t affected for more motifs per character. I also use enchanting master writs to power level skills on alts when there is double xp events going and I use a crown scroll from daily rewards. The xp gain is ridiculous.

The crafting add ons are a huge time saver that we simply don’t have the luxury of having.

Tandor

No thanks, there are too many account-wide things in the game already, any more and there'll be no point at all in having more than one character - which would result in a lot more players reducing their gaming time or quitting altogether than the players likely to quit if they have actually to play their additional characters.

El_Borracho

I can’t speak for anyone else but I personally collect all my motifesque consumables on one character and one character only. The people I speak to regularly do the same. Do you think it’s common for people to collect motif books on multiple characters? I consider it unlikely but I could well be wrong

@UnassumingNoob I do exactly the same thing. But I would compare it to what happened when the sticker book and reconstruction came around. Before then, a Mother's Sorrow inferno staff would easily go for high 5 figures to low 6 figures depending on the trait. Since then the price has gone way down as that set is account wide.

I don't know if there are people who max out every character for motifs, but I would imagine the same thing would happen with crafting.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

I wouldnt be opposed to this. It has always bugged me that very early on, I made my crafter and provisioner different toons. I think this was frankly something that was left out of AWA that left it feeling incomplete.

El_Borracho wrote: »

While I would appreciate the convenience of this, it would cripple a lot of the trading economy in the game

I think cripple is a strong word. Impact, sure, but there would still be plenty of demand for Recipes and Motifs. I am not saying their aren't players that dont go after recipes on multiple toons, but I don't think its anywhere close to the norm.

Hamish999 wrote: »

Say you don't do trading, without saying you don't do trading ...

Not to mention that known motifs and provisioning recipes have a direct effect on master writ drop rates from daily crafting writs.

To add, yes they affect master writ drops, but the impact is not all that great. I have one toon with most of the motifs in game, a few others that know a handful of purples along with the base games, and pretty much all my characters have the base game motifs through Daedric. I have done a lot of writs in my day, and personally, I can tell very little difference between any of them. Not saying it has no impact, but I dont think its a particularly large one.

And also, if they went account wide, would it really be the end of the world if a few of your alts had their master writ drop rate upped a smidge? Unless you run a guild hall with a sea of crafting stations, there just isn't that much in the master writ vendor. I have like 10k writ vouchers, and the only reason I continue to do crafting writs is for CP during double XP events. LOL.

I am very comfortable saying this. The return on investment is wildly upside down to collect motifs on alts purely for the increased master writ drop chance.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

El_Borracho wrote: »

I can’t speak for anyone else but I personally collect all my motifesque consumables on one character and one character only. The people I speak to regularly do the same. Do you think it’s common for people to collect motif books on multiple characters? I consider it unlikely but I could well be wrong

@UnassumingNoob I do exactly the same thing. But I would compare it to what happened when the sticker book and reconstruction came around. Before then, a Mother's Sorrow inferno staff would easily go for high 5 figures to low 6 figures depending on the trait. Since then the price has gone way down as that set is account wide.

I don't know if there are people who max out every character for motifs, but I would imagine the same thing would happen with crafting.

I think that is apples to oranges if I am being honest. Right now the only reason to collect motifs on an alt are either you are OCD as all get out, or you are doing it for increased master writ drop chance. The later is wildly upside down from a cost benefit analysis. In other words, lets say I go buy 25 million worth of motifs, and spread them across my alts. I am not getting 25 million worth of additional writ vouchers out of them over the reasonable life of them all doing writs every day.

I think the number of people that do that are extremely small, and I think the impact of making them account wide on the economy would be negligible. In fact, I will make a counter argument, as really this is a Demand Side debate. If you make them account wide, their might be an incentive for some people to actually fill their collection that otherwise might not have bothered. If every motif I collect gets me additional master writs on all my toons, that could certainly be an incentive.

Gear was a different animal completely. You had one or two traits in a handful of specific overland weapons where the market crashed, you named probably the most obvious one. Transmute was the first big hit to the pricing, and sticker book finished it off. That's because it wasn't that hard to farm a staff, but it was a royal pain to get it in the perfect trait. So at one point, they were super desirable and difficult to obtain (high price). Than transmute came along, and now you just needed the staff, but the trait was mostly irrelevant, so the difference between say a precise and a completely worthless trait came down to the market price equivalency of 50 transmute crystals. Then sticker book came along, and yes, it killed overland set values. The price of any overland set roughly ammounts to the value of 25 transmute crystals, which most people can get in 2.5 runs of FG1, or about 10-20 minutes of PVP once a month. Not a lot of value there I am afraid.

I will say this. Prior to stickerbook or transmute, I certainly had several precise MS staffs so I could play on alts. Never did the same thing with Motifs other than a handful of the easy ones to obtain that were just filling up my bank and not worth the time to sell, so my alts gobbled them up. But honestly, I think they are completely different situations.

kargen27

No.

It would be detrimental to the long term health of the game as there would be less incentive to play multiple characters.

Casul

In a perfect world it would all be account wide. Better yet let’s just scrap the existing class system and let us swap easily.

El_Borracho

@Oreyn_Bearclaw I really don't know the answer. I do know that I can't give Dremora motifs away because those things drop like rain during the Witches' fest and I still remember when getting a motif from Craglorn could get you 20K at a guild trader. But I also don't think most players max out each character for crafting, so it shouldn't make a difference.

Honestly, I don't really care as gold is super easy to get in this game, but I do think it would depress the market for motifs. As for recipes, those should be account wide. If all my characters can share the same houses, they should have access to the cookbook inside.