I wish there was a toggle for hip-plates.
Ingel_Riday
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Title pretty much says it all, but I’ll elaborate.
I think the art design in this game is, all in all, pretty robust. This game has amassed a plethora of cosmetic options for gear, and there’s something for just about everybody in here nowadays. The 673 or so chest pieces in this game range the gamut from tribal leathers to demonic plate-mail to elegant wizard robes.
Want to look like a vampire knight? It’s there. A bandit? ESO’s got you covered. Here’s to hoping you don’t want to look like an Ancestral Breton / Ancestral Akaviri / Ancient Daedra though, since you’ll have to jump through multiple low probability hoops for eons of time (exceedingly low chance of a treasure map for the desired zone in every locked chest, followed by a low chance of said treasure map actually dropping a lead for a page, followed by an increasingly low chance of said lead being one you don’t already have) and/or dump millions on auction house items… but I digress.
Lots of options, but so many of these otherwise great motifs and styles have big, goofy hip-plates that visibly float in thin air, suspended by magic next to your character’s hips. It’s an odd look, and one I can’t recall seeing in any other game, ever… probably for good reason. It’s jarring to have pieces of your armor literally detached from your suit and floating to the sides of you. In some extreme cases, like the Nedic costumes or the default Imperial armors, the open space between the plates and the character can get downright risible.
It also doesn’t help that said floating pieces of armor are seemingly designed with the default character pose in mind, so any other “personality” usually results in noticeable clipping issues. My sassy assassin’s hands disappear into over-sized hip-plate when she rests them on her hip, and her angled hips mean that one hip plate or the other is usually visually embedded in her torso or posterior. It’s… it’s not great.
I wish there was an option to toggle the things on or off. I harbor no illusions: it’d be a miserable quality of life improvement to implement. These hips plates are not unique, separate armor pieces. They are parts of the afore-mentioned chest pieces, and removing them would involve a lot of obnoxious tweaking and testing. It’d be an expensive, time-consuming slog.
Probably never going to happen as a result, but man… it’s a shame.
Speaking from my own Fashion Scrolls experience, I have unlocked 619 chest pieces, but steadfastly avoid using a goodly number of them because the accompanying hip-plates are so egregious. The Fargrave style is simply beautiful to behold, but the hip-plates are clearly not attached to anything, egregiously float off the character model, clip into my character’s hands during her personality poses, and are untenably unpleasant. The Ebonshadow style is awesome, and I love the light robes… but those hip-plates. Gadzooks. Not even an attempt to make them look attached to something. So on and so forth.
TLDR: I don’t mind floating orbs of fire or frost orbiting around my character, but floating flaps of metal suspended three to seven inches away from her hips are a bit much. I’m grateful for the slowly growing pool of armor styles that either have no hip-plates or ones designed to sit snug on the character and look attached to something. A toggle to turn the plates off would be welcome though, especially for the older styles.
Edit addition: also, I did want to kind of playfully mention that toggled-off hip-plates would, in most cases, not result in needing to add new textures to detail areas where they used to be... because these textures already exist. You can see them even now, loud and clear, because the hip-plates are detached and hover to the sides of said textures. For example, the Outlaw heavy armor style hip-plates hover over fully completed texture work. If they were toggled off, there wouldn't be gaps in the style visually. Just two less floating crescents of leather clipping into the character model at every pose outside of standing still.
Edited by Ingel_Riday on February 11, 2023 7:50AM I think the art design in this game is, all in all, pretty robust. This game has amassed a plethora of cosmetic options for gear, and there’s something for just about everybody in here nowadays. The 673 or so chest pieces in this game range the gamut from tribal leathers to demonic plate-mail to elegant wizard robes.
Want to look like a vampire knight? It’s there. A bandit? ESO’s got you covered. Here’s to hoping you don’t want to look like an Ancestral Breton / Ancestral Akaviri / Ancient Daedra though, since you’ll have to jump through multiple low probability hoops for eons of time (exceedingly low chance of a treasure map for the desired zone in every locked chest, followed by a low chance of said treasure map actually dropping a lead for a page, followed by an increasingly low chance of said lead being one you don’t already have) and/or dump millions on auction house items… but I digress.
Lots of options, but so many of these otherwise great motifs and styles have big, goofy hip-plates that visibly float in thin air, suspended by magic next to your character’s hips. It’s an odd look, and one I can’t recall seeing in any other game, ever… probably for good reason. It’s jarring to have pieces of your armor literally detached from your suit and floating to the sides of you. In some extreme cases, like the Nedic costumes or the default Imperial armors, the open space between the plates and the character can get downright risible.
It also doesn’t help that said floating pieces of armor are seemingly designed with the default character pose in mind, so any other “personality” usually results in noticeable clipping issues. My sassy assassin’s hands disappear into over-sized hip-plate when she rests them on her hip, and her angled hips mean that one hip plate or the other is usually visually embedded in her torso or posterior. It’s… it’s not great.
I wish there was an option to toggle the things on or off. I harbor no illusions: it’d be a miserable quality of life improvement to implement. These hips plates are not unique, separate armor pieces. They are parts of the afore-mentioned chest pieces, and removing them would involve a lot of obnoxious tweaking and testing. It’d be an expensive, time-consuming slog.
Probably never going to happen as a result, but man… it’s a shame.
Speaking from my own Fashion Scrolls experience, I have unlocked 619 chest pieces, but steadfastly avoid using a goodly number of them because the accompanying hip-plates are so egregious. The Fargrave style is simply beautiful to behold, but the hip-plates are clearly not attached to anything, egregiously float off the character model, clip into my character’s hands during her personality poses, and are untenably unpleasant. The Ebonshadow style is awesome, and I love the light robes… but those hip-plates. Gadzooks. Not even an attempt to make them look attached to something. So on and so forth.
TLDR: I don’t mind floating orbs of fire or frost orbiting around my character, but floating flaps of metal suspended three to seven inches away from her hips are a bit much. I’m grateful for the slowly growing pool of armor styles that either have no hip-plates or ones designed to sit snug on the character and look attached to something. A toggle to turn the plates off would be welcome though, especially for the older styles.
Edit addition: also, I did want to kind of playfully mention that toggled-off hip-plates would, in most cases, not result in needing to add new textures to detail areas where they used to be... because these textures already exist. You can see them even now, loud and clear, because the hip-plates are detached and hover to the sides of said textures. For example, the Outlaw heavy armor style hip-plates hover over fully completed texture work. If they were toggled off, there wouldn't be gaps in the style visually. Just two less floating crescents of leather clipping into the character model at every pose outside of standing still.
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DinoZavr✭✭✭✭✭
✭An option to remove flaps should be great.
although Zeni hardly will implement this, as they might be afraid players to run without pants, and these ugly flaps provide, at least, some cover against that
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Grizzbeorn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭An option to remove flaps should be great.
although Zeni hardly will implement this, as they might be afraid players to run without pants, and these ugly flaps provide, at least, some cover against that
Except the tassets (hip flaps) are not a part of the leg armor, but rather the chest armor.
(i.e., the "hip flaps" will still be there if you take off your pants.)7 -
LadyHeloise✭✭✭Agree completely - there are so many really nice chest pieces that are unusable, ruined by flapping, poorly fitting, or floating hip flaps.PC-EU.10 -
Clyde_BlueSnake✭✭✭As someone edit a bit on Oblivion meshes, textures, & a few ESPs, I have to say, while ESO meshes are likely a different filetype than Oblivion meshes but they probably built the same way. To the point, how it likely is the hip-plates (& to add, also those has a loincloth) are probably are attached in the same chest mesh file, meaning it would be a bit time consuming. If so, then for they need to make a toggle off feature for them they first need to make duplicates of each of the chest meshes, then remove the hip-plates model off on the dupe meshes, then need to create a new code path for each corresponding chest mesh that doesn't has hip-plates, make sure those code paths aren't causing any conflicting bugs. Yeah, saying it all sounds simple, but actually time consuming to them.
Despite saying all this, I too don't like them, as well with loincloths, but how they are they likely not as simple the remove helmet toggle.
Edit: For merpins below said ZOS had the option in the PTS before, Ignore what I typed above.Edited by Clyde_BlueSnake on February 11, 2023 11:55AMMain is Blue-Thuxis, a Argonian stamSorc, whose also is a werewolf! 2nd main, Cobalt-Thuxis, a Argonian stamArc, an identical twin sister to Blue-Thuxis, even is a werewolf as well! some alts:Nirn-Scale Rajthux (Argonian, Templar), Ros-Ei Nature-Thuxis (Argonian, Warden), Crimson-Thuxis (Argonian, DK), Bone-Thuxis Tharn (Argonian, Necro) Why Bone-Thuxis has Tharn as a last name:Some ESO history: I originally started from PS4 NA during June 10, 2015, I did reached CP 810+ on there. I eventually kinda got tired of paying PS+, so during February 4, 2019 I started moving to PC NA. Also CP: 810+. Nowadays I play ESO PC mostly, while PS4 is dust.The siblings were separated at a young age due to a Dres slaver raid, Blue, Cobalt, Ros-Ei & their mother were able to escape, Crimson & Bone weren't that lucky. Crimson was later "rescued" by some Orcs that later ambushed the House Dres Dunmers, unfortunately one Dunmer remained & sadly successfully brought the young Bone-Thuxis to the Dres plantation. Later an Imperial, a Tharn, bought Bone at a auction & later told he was free, the young Argonian sadly had no idea where to go & doesn't know if his family was still alive, so the Tharn adopted him into House Tharn. This family of Argonians finally reunited years later., Kenneth Clyde (Nord, Sorc), Selene Gray-Thuxis (Argonian, Nightblade), Urmanda (Orc, Warden)0 -
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✭✭✭I used to say that it would be unlikely for them to add an option for us to remove hip plates and groin flaps due to the limitations that come with 3D modeling. Hip plates probably were fine, but groin flaps probably not. Though they had the option in the PTS at one point along with hide shoulders. So I agree, they should add the ability to hide the hip plates and groin flaps.Edited by merpins on February 11, 2023 10:30AM6 -
Clyde_BlueSnake✭✭✭@merpins I didn't know they had a option for that in the PTS before. For that, I discard most what I said above then.Main is Blue-Thuxis, a Argonian stamSorc, whose also is a werewolf! 2nd main, Cobalt-Thuxis, a Argonian stamArc, an identical twin sister to Blue-Thuxis, even is a werewolf as well! some alts:Nirn-Scale Rajthux (Argonian, Templar), Ros-Ei Nature-Thuxis (Argonian, Warden), Crimson-Thuxis (Argonian, DK), Bone-Thuxis Tharn (Argonian, Necro) Why Bone-Thuxis has Tharn as a last name:Some ESO history: I originally started from PS4 NA during June 10, 2015, I did reached CP 810+ on there. I eventually kinda got tired of paying PS+, so during February 4, 2019 I started moving to PC NA. Also CP: 810+. Nowadays I play ESO PC mostly, while PS4 is dust.The siblings were separated at a young age due to a Dres slaver raid, Blue, Cobalt, Ros-Ei & their mother were able to escape, Crimson & Bone weren't that lucky. Crimson was later "rescued" by some Orcs that later ambushed the House Dres Dunmers, unfortunately one Dunmer remained & sadly successfully brought the young Bone-Thuxis to the Dres plantation. Later an Imperial, a Tharn, bought Bone at a auction & later told he was free, the young Argonian sadly had no idea where to go & doesn't know if his family was still alive, so the Tharn adopted him into House Tharn. This family of Argonians finally reunited years later., Kenneth Clyde (Nord, Sorc), Selene Gray-Thuxis (Argonian, Nightblade), Urmanda (Orc, Warden)0
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Ingel_Riday✭✭✭✭@merpins I had no idea toggling hip plates was an option that they tested on the PTS before. Genuinely fascinating.
Well, here's to hoping that someday they revisit it. I'm genuinely impressed by the motifs added to this game over the past 9 years, but yeah... I'm a bit of a stickler on the hip plates. Some motifs handle them exceedingly well (the Dragonguard motif and the light armor version of Ancient Daedric both come to mind). Others, not so much. I was thrilled to finish earning the House Hexos style. Didn't buy it on the Crown Store or buy most of the pages on a Guild Trader. Oh no, I earned that style through weeks of excessive pyromancy and totally intended to wear some high definition, lovingly rendered Imperial armor... but the hip plates. Couldn't abide the hovering panels clipping into my hips and hands, and I gave up the ghost. Grumble. :-P
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Panderbander✭✭✭✭✭I'll put together a fantastic outfit and just absolutely love it... Until I leave the station and realize the hip plates I thought were fine are INCREDIBLY jarring the moment I start moving. Yes, 100%, make them toggleableLeader of Lycan Syndicate, PC NA's tri-faction werewolf guild.~~~Played since the beta, got the monkey.~~~"The blood of the pack is now yours. They are your only family, your only allegiance!"3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I'd be happy to disable hip/butt/crotch flappers. I'd also welcome some alternative solutions -
Stop putting flappers on light armor since they serve no purpose there.
Even better would be for belts to take the load. Anything that can be attached to the waist area should be placed on a variety of belt styles instead of chest pieces. This includes hip/butt/crotch flappers as well as books, pouches or anything else one could attach to one's waist area. This would allow tons of flexibilty as long as there remain plenty of belts with nothing attached to them. Some existing belts don't even show their buckle. Lots of options.PC NA(no Steam), PvE, mostly solo0 -
Ingel_Riday✭✭✭✭Truth be told, I don't mind the front / back flaps. They don't bother me like the hip plates do.
The front / back flaps are usually directly attached to the chest piece and don't hover far away from the character model, so I'm generally cool with them and the visual flourish that they provide. It also helps that, again, there are 673 or so chest pieces now and it feels like the team has made a concerted effort to include more armors without back flaps to help out characters with tails.
In addition, some of the artists have gotten very clever with the use of the front / back flaps. For example, the Ivory Brigade set has a front fabric flap that hangs over the kilt. It's great, because the kilt's texture stretches when you are in the combat pose and starts looking kind of rough. However, the front flap hides the most egregious texture stretching, really cleaning up the armor's appearance. It's a great way to mitigate the issue. (For an example of the opposite, look at the tassel-textured skirt for the Order of the Hour armor style. One tassel is right in the middle of the skirt's texture with nothing to obscure it. When you go into combat pose, the tassel stretches to four times its old size and looks VERY rough).
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✭✭✭✭✭I used to say that it would be unlikely for them to add an option for us to remove hip plates and groin flaps due to the limitations that come with 3D modeling. Hip plates probably were fine, but groin flaps probably not. Though they had the option in the PTS at one point along with hide shoulders. So I agree, they should add the ability to hide the hip plates and groin flaps.
I didn't think that PTS had an option to hide that. Do you happen to have a screen grab from that?0 -
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✭✭I don't like the hip flaps or the diapers. I too have walked out of the outfit station and walked right back in after discovering the horror of flapping flaps. So ugly! At least the diapers are really obvious.
Maybe they can't make them toggle, but at the very least they should never make another chest style with them,PS5/NA0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I like the idea of putting the flaps on the belts. Would mean an entire rework on all the chest pieces and associated belts on styles that have the flaps so maybe not feasible? If they just made the hip flaps actually stay on the hips a little better I would be good with that.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I wish I was a little bit taller
I wish I was a brawler
I wish I had a toggle for my hips
They'd look smaller.RIP Bosmer Nation. 4/4/14 - 2/25/19.4 -
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✭✭✭I searched for a year to find something to wear that had no shoulder pads or tassets or crotch flaps. Found the Assassins League armor which is great.0 -
BlueViolet✭✭✭✭✭I really wish they would / could implement this. It seems to be quite a popular request alongside hiding shoulders.
And I agree, so many lovely armour's are ruined by enormous or floaty tassets.
The only hip plates I can actually stand on a chest piece are the ones on the Honor Guard medium piece. The don't seem to flap wildly when running, they sit right up against the hip and aren't floaty, and they're small enough to not look completely obnoxious.
Despite that, I think that being able to hide such things would be a bonus, or if it is impossible, PLEASE I beg of you devs, stop designing armour with tassets that make you look like the flying nun, or a jet plane. They're horrid.
Also please can we hide boots so my characters can frolic with bare feet. I will not stop asking
Thank you!
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Uvi_AUT✭✭✭✭✭I remember requesting a HipFlaptoggle together with cloaks in 2014 when the game came out.
I think at this point its safe to say it will never happen.Registered since 2014, Customer Service lost my Forum-Account and can't find it.....2
