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Undaunted Mask Style Page Drop Rates

AJTC5000
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This topic has been done to death I'm sure, but with there being THREE individual mask styles this month, I feel it's a good time to bring it up again.

I've just finished off roughly 30 runs of Veteran Unhallowed Grave, in the hopes of getting the Kjalnar's Nightmare mask style page to drop (spoiler - I didn't get one). In that time, I've seen exactly ONE drop across all the players. That's 1 drop out of a possible 120, which I assume must translate to a maximum of a 1% drop rate - likely to be even lower.

For reference:
  • I was initially running these as a DPS but then switched to Tank for faster queue time (I actually learned proper Templar tanking for this, lol)
  • These runs were done on non-HM for speed purposes
  • I've completed the HM trifecta before, so I should be benefiting from a so-called increased drop rate
  • From what I've gathered, completing these repeat runs on HM would have served me no purpose, as the drop rate would remain the same (and for a fight that is polarizing to the tank with non-HM vs HM, there's even less of a reason to complete HM)

If not for the one drop I saw yesterday I would have been fully convinced that this style page, which was bugged from the start mind you, was still bugged.

Frankly, I think this is beyond a joke and the drop rate is insanely low for the amount of time that you have to put in to complete these. My stickerbook and motif knowledge are complete, and I have all the achievements from this dungeon - this mask is the only reason I've had to come back, and I honestly feel disrespected for my time, aside from helping some PUGs get their first vet clears.

Grundwulf (returning late January) at least has the addition of double drops during the upcoming Season of the Dragon event, so there's more of a reason to go and do that one. But with Stonekeeper returning this week, I'm honestly trying to think of a reason why I would waste a week of my time there, especially under the tighter time conditions. Unless you really want to use the style, are a diehard completionist, or need the dungeon for other reasons (stickerbook/achievements etc), there is no reason you should be trying to farm these masks in their current state (well, besides flogging them on the guild trader for 4 million each I guess . . .).

Possible suggestions:
  • Flat increase to the drop rate overall
  • Increase the drop rate for having both the Hard Mode and trifecta achievements - reward your players for completing those harder challenges
  • Or, rather than relying on the achievements, increase the drop rate for repeat completions of HM and trifectas - incentivize your players to complete those challenges more than once

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Finn
  • PC/NA - @AJTC5000
    DC - Alena-Draco - Dunmer Magicka Templar

    PvE Achievements
    Trials
    • vHRC HM
    • vAA HM
    • vSO HM
    • vMoL HM (Dro-m'Athra Destroyer)
    • vHoF HM (Tick-Tock Tormentor/The Dynamo)
    • vAS HM (Saintly Saviour/Immortal Redeemer)
    • vCR HM
    • vSS HM
    • vRG (Oax HM)
    • vDSR (Reef Guardian HM)


    Arenas
    • vMA Flawless
    • vBRP
    • vVA Flawless (Spirit Slayer)


    Dungeons
    • vFL HM (Leave No Bone Unbroken)
    • vSCP HM (Mountain God)
    • vMHK HM (Pure Lunacy)
    • vMoS HM (Apex Predator)
    • vFV HM (Relentless Raider)
    • vDoM HM (Depths Defier)
    • vLoM HM (Nature's Wrath)
    • vMGF HM (Defanged the Devourer)
    • vIcereach HM (No Rest for the Wicked/Storm Foe)
    • vUG HM (In Defiance of Death/Bonecaller's Bane)
    • vSG HM
    • vCT HM (Bane of Thorns)
    • vBDV HM (Ardent Bibliophile)
    • vCauldron HM (Subterranean Smasher)
    • vRPB HM (Bastion Breaker/of the Silver Rose)
    • vDC HM (Battlespire's Best/The Dreaded)
    • vCA HM
    • vSR HM
    • vERE HM (Invaders' Bane)
    • vGD HM (Fist of Tava)
    • vSH HM (Magnastylus in the Making/Curator's Champion)
    • vBS HM (Temporal Tempest)
  • DMuehlhausen
    DMuehlhausen
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    2.5% without HM, 5% with HM
  • aleksandr_ESO
    aleksandr_ESO
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    2.5% without HM, 5% with HM

    where did you get these numbers from?
  • ApoAlaia
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    Fortunately enough people engage in this activity successfully for me to be able to buy the pages instead.

    The idea of farming the pages sounded appealing at first however the reality came sorely short of the idea.

    Running a dungeon which I already have all the gear and achievements for umpteen times and in all likelihood coming up empty handed and having to buy it anyway - which is what has happened in the past when I engaged in this folly - is not something I could keep justifying to myself.

    Edited by ApoAlaia on January 11, 2023 9:15AM
  • AJTC5000
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    ApoAlaia wrote: »
    Fortunately enough people engage in this activity successfully for me to be able to buy the pages instead.

    The idea of farming the pages sounded appealing at first however the reality came sorely short of the idea.

    Running a dungeon which I already have all the gear and achievements for umpteen times and in all likelihood coming up empty handed and having to buy it anyway - which is what has happened in the past when I engaged in this folly - is not something I could keep justifying to myself.

    Yeah, I feel like this is what's going to happen to me at this rate. All my friends are like "why are you doing this to yourself???" as I naively try and continue on the basis of sunk cost fallacy.

    At least Stonekeeper is a returning page, so should be cheaper to buy . . .
    • PC/NA - @AJTC5000
      DC - Alena-Draco - Dunmer Magicka Templar

      PvE Achievements
      Trials
      • vHRC HM
      • vAA HM
      • vSO HM
      • vMoL HM (Dro-m'Athra Destroyer)
      • vHoF HM (Tick-Tock Tormentor/The Dynamo)
      • vAS HM (Saintly Saviour/Immortal Redeemer)
      • vCR HM
      • vSS HM
      • vRG (Oax HM)
      • vDSR (Reef Guardian HM)


      Arenas
      • vMA Flawless
      • vBRP
      • vVA Flawless (Spirit Slayer)


      Dungeons
      • vFL HM (Leave No Bone Unbroken)
      • vSCP HM (Mountain God)
      • vMHK HM (Pure Lunacy)
      • vMoS HM (Apex Predator)
      • vFV HM (Relentless Raider)
      • vDoM HM (Depths Defier)
      • vLoM HM (Nature's Wrath)
      • vMGF HM (Defanged the Devourer)
      • vIcereach HM (No Rest for the Wicked/Storm Foe)
      • vUG HM (In Defiance of Death/Bonecaller's Bane)
      • vSG HM
      • vCT HM (Bane of Thorns)
      • vBDV HM (Ardent Bibliophile)
      • vCauldron HM (Subterranean Smasher)
      • vRPB HM (Bastion Breaker/of the Silver Rose)
      • vDC HM (Battlespire's Best/The Dreaded)
      • vCA HM
      • vSR HM
      • vERE HM (Invaders' Bane)
      • vGD HM (Fist of Tava)
      • vSH HM (Magnastylus in the Making/Curator's Champion)
      • vBS HM (Temporal Tempest)
  • AJTC5000
    AJTC5000
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    AJTC5000 wrote: »
    This topic has been done to death I'm sure, but with there being THREE individual mask styles this month, I feel it's a good time to bring it up again.

    I've just finished off roughly 30 runs of Veteran Unhallowed Grave, in the hopes of getting the Kjalnar's Nightmare mask style page to drop (spoiler - I didn't get one). In that time, I've seen exactly ONE drop across all the players. That's 1 drop out of a possible 120, which I assume must translate to a maximum of a 1% drop rate - likely to be even lower.

    For reference:
    • I was initially running these as a DPS but then switched to Tank for faster queue time (I actually learned proper Templar tanking for this, lol)
    • These runs were done on non-HM for speed purposes
    • I've completed the HM trifecta before, so I should be benefiting from a so-called increased drop rate
    • From what I've gathered, completing these repeat runs on HM would have served me no purpose, as the drop rate would remain the same (and for a fight that is polarizing to the tank with non-HM vs HM, there's even less of a reason to complete HM)

    If not for the one drop I saw yesterday I would have been fully convinced that this style page, which was bugged from the start mind you, was still bugged.

    Frankly, I think this is beyond a joke and the drop rate is insanely low for the amount of time that you have to put in to complete these. My stickerbook and motif knowledge are complete, and I have all the achievements from this dungeon - this mask is the only reason I've had to come back, and I honestly feel disrespected for my time, aside from helping some PUGs get their first vet clears.

    Grundwulf (returning late January) at least has the addition of double drops during the upcoming Season of the Dragon event, so there's more of a reason to go and do that one. But with Stonekeeper returning this week, I'm honestly trying to think of a reason why I would waste a week of my time there, especially under the tighter time conditions. Unless you really want to use the style, are a diehard completionist, or need the dungeon for other reasons (stickerbook/achievements etc), there is no reason you should be trying to farm these masks in their current state (well, besides flogging them on the guild trader for 4 million each I guess . . .).

    Possible suggestions:
    • Flat increase to the drop rate overall
    • Increase the drop rate for having both the Hard Mode and trifecta achievements - reward your players for completing those harder challenges
    • Or, rather than relying on the achievements, increase the drop rate for repeat completions of HM and trifectas - incentivize your players to complete those challenges more than once

    @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Finn

    As an update, I've done 38 runs now and have seen just one more page drop for all the players.

    Members of my dungeon group had some suspicions that the fix applied to Kjalnar may be what's causing these low drop rates, as they definitely seem lower than previous masks. Perhaps instead of checking an account for the HM achievement to award the bonus RNG, it is instead checking for HM clears? During these further 8 runs I did two completions on HM (including one trifecta) but still got nothing - granted, two runs is a very small dataset. I'm hoping this is the case (as this was actually something I suggested to encourage HM clears) - but it's clear that this wasn't the intent, or if it was, it wasn't communicated as such.
    • PC/NA - @AJTC5000
      DC - Alena-Draco - Dunmer Magicka Templar

      PvE Achievements
      Trials
      • vHRC HM
      • vAA HM
      • vSO HM
      • vMoL HM (Dro-m'Athra Destroyer)
      • vHoF HM (Tick-Tock Tormentor/The Dynamo)
      • vAS HM (Saintly Saviour/Immortal Redeemer)
      • vCR HM
      • vSS HM
      • vRG (Oax HM)
      • vDSR (Reef Guardian HM)


      Arenas
      • vMA Flawless
      • vBRP
      • vVA Flawless (Spirit Slayer)


      Dungeons
      • vFL HM (Leave No Bone Unbroken)
      • vSCP HM (Mountain God)
      • vMHK HM (Pure Lunacy)
      • vMoS HM (Apex Predator)
      • vFV HM (Relentless Raider)
      • vDoM HM (Depths Defier)
      • vLoM HM (Nature's Wrath)
      • vMGF HM (Defanged the Devourer)
      • vIcereach HM (No Rest for the Wicked/Storm Foe)
      • vUG HM (In Defiance of Death/Bonecaller's Bane)
      • vSG HM
      • vCT HM (Bane of Thorns)
      • vBDV HM (Ardent Bibliophile)
      • vCauldron HM (Subterranean Smasher)
      • vRPB HM (Bastion Breaker/of the Silver Rose)
      • vDC HM (Battlespire's Best/The Dreaded)
      • vCA HM
      • vSR HM
      • vERE HM (Invaders' Bane)
      • vGD HM (Fist of Tava)
      • vSH HM (Magnastylus in the Making/Curator's Champion)
      • vBS HM (Temporal Tempest)
  • Dr_Con
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    If you do HM just once, the drop rate for normal veteran increases.
  • AJTC5000
    AJTC5000
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    Dr_Con wrote: »
    If you do HM just once, the drop rate for normal veteran increases.
    AJTC5000 wrote: »
    For reference:
    • I was initially running these as a DPS but then switched to Tank for faster queue time (I actually learned proper Templar tanking for this, lol)
    • These runs were done on non-HM for speed purposes
    • I've completed the HM trifecta before, so I should be benefiting from a so-called increased drop rate
    • From what I've gathered, completing these repeat runs on HM would have served me no purpose, as the drop rate would remain the same (and for a fight that is polarizing to the tank with non-HM vs HM, there's even less of a reason to complete HM)

    This I'm aware of. However, currently it doesn't appear to be making a difference.
    • PC/NA - @AJTC5000
      DC - Alena-Draco - Dunmer Magicka Templar

      PvE Achievements
      Trials
      • vHRC HM
      • vAA HM
      • vSO HM
      • vMoL HM (Dro-m'Athra Destroyer)
      • vHoF HM (Tick-Tock Tormentor/The Dynamo)
      • vAS HM (Saintly Saviour/Immortal Redeemer)
      • vCR HM
      • vSS HM
      • vRG (Oax HM)
      • vDSR (Reef Guardian HM)


      Arenas
      • vMA Flawless
      • vBRP
      • vVA Flawless (Spirit Slayer)


      Dungeons
      • vFL HM (Leave No Bone Unbroken)
      • vSCP HM (Mountain God)
      • vMHK HM (Pure Lunacy)
      • vMoS HM (Apex Predator)
      • vFV HM (Relentless Raider)
      • vDoM HM (Depths Defier)
      • vLoM HM (Nature's Wrath)
      • vMGF HM (Defanged the Devourer)
      • vIcereach HM (No Rest for the Wicked/Storm Foe)
      • vUG HM (In Defiance of Death/Bonecaller's Bane)
      • vSG HM
      • vCT HM (Bane of Thorns)
      • vBDV HM (Ardent Bibliophile)
      • vCauldron HM (Subterranean Smasher)
      • vRPB HM (Bastion Breaker/of the Silver Rose)
      • vDC HM (Battlespire's Best/The Dreaded)
      • vCA HM
      • vSR HM
      • vERE HM (Invaders' Bane)
      • vGD HM (Fist of Tava)
      • vSH HM (Magnastylus in the Making/Curator's Champion)
      • vBS HM (Temporal Tempest)
  • AJTC5000
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    One final update, finally called it quits at 54 runs and bought it off the guild trader. Pretty pissed off tbh, but it is what it is I guess.
    • PC/NA - @AJTC5000
      DC - Alena-Draco - Dunmer Magicka Templar

      PvE Achievements
      Trials
      • vHRC HM
      • vAA HM
      • vSO HM
      • vMoL HM (Dro-m'Athra Destroyer)
      • vHoF HM (Tick-Tock Tormentor/The Dynamo)
      • vAS HM (Saintly Saviour/Immortal Redeemer)
      • vCR HM
      • vSS HM
      • vRG (Oax HM)
      • vDSR (Reef Guardian HM)


      Arenas
      • vMA Flawless
      • vBRP
      • vVA Flawless (Spirit Slayer)


      Dungeons
      • vFL HM (Leave No Bone Unbroken)
      • vSCP HM (Mountain God)
      • vMHK HM (Pure Lunacy)
      • vMoS HM (Apex Predator)
      • vFV HM (Relentless Raider)
      • vDoM HM (Depths Defier)
      • vLoM HM (Nature's Wrath)
      • vMGF HM (Defanged the Devourer)
      • vIcereach HM (No Rest for the Wicked/Storm Foe)
      • vUG HM (In Defiance of Death/Bonecaller's Bane)
      • vSG HM
      • vCT HM (Bane of Thorns)
      • vBDV HM (Ardent Bibliophile)
      • vCauldron HM (Subterranean Smasher)
      • vRPB HM (Bastion Breaker/of the Silver Rose)
      • vDC HM (Battlespire's Best/The Dreaded)
      • vCA HM
      • vSR HM
      • vERE HM (Invaders' Bane)
      • vGD HM (Fist of Tava)
      • vSH HM (Magnastylus in the Making/Curator's Champion)
      • vBS HM (Temporal Tempest)
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